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[edit] Additions by a series of IP addresses in July 2005

While I agree with the many, often hilarious, changes, please keep in mind Wikipedia is meant to be an encyclopedia and the changes did not fit with NPOV. I have made edits, keeping some salient observations while removing others.

While Park'n'Shop is a monopoly and the Pearl River Delta water is indeed polluted, it is not right for an encyclopedia. Therefore, I have removed many of the edits and any attempts to re-introduce such material in the body will be considered vandalism. That said, I have added a new 'community issues' section which may be better suited to your needs.

If you (or anyone) wish to add such material to the page, please discuss it here first and explain changes. Thank you. --Mintchocicecream 22:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


Warnings given to user(s) User_talk:213.41.1.226 and User_talk:81.178.201.68 for adding The Plaza also provides a unique community childminding scheme, whereby children can play freely in the area, while their parents can relax and enjoy themselves without having to worry about their children's behaviour.. While this may be true, this is inappropriate for an encyclopedia, as repeatedly warned in http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Discovery_Bay&action=history and Talk:Discovery_Bay. --Mintchocicecream 17:21, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
User User_talk:200.215.36.17 just edited the article again - with the exact same thing. Same user, with a dynamic IP, I suppose. Can an admin look into this? Practical jokes can be funny at first (read my first post) but doing the same thing over and over again gets old. Think of writing something new if you must do this kind of vandalism. --Mintchocicecream 16:43, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
User:195.113.148.193 added back the content again. [1] — Instantnood 10:50, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Deletions of links by Niteowlneils

I have re-added links deleted by Niteowlneils - please give a good reason for their removals. I understand links to churches may not pertain to all members of the community, but I know many people do find links to community churches, clubs such as the Lantau Boat Club and schools useful. --Mintchocicecream 22:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Those external links are not directly related to Discovery Bay itself, and the things they are about aren't mentioned anywhere in the article, so they are kind of a non-sequitor. Wikipedia is explicitly not a business/community directory (#7), nor a web directory (#1). Also, I don't see how they meet any of the 'do/maybe' external link criteria, and arguably meet 'don't' criteria. They also don't seem appropriate per Wikipedia:Contributing_FAQ#Is_it_OK_to_link_to_other_sites.2C_as_long_as_the_material_is_not_copied_onto_Wikipedia.3F--"Keep in mind, however, that Wikipedia is not a web directory; external links should support the content of the article, not replace it." Niteowlneils 00:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
Many thanks for your reply and the useful information you provided. I am now tempted to agree with you on the issue of links, as the community links are more appropriate in a web directory rather than in an encyclopedia entry. --Mintchocicecream 12:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lantau Boat Club

I have moved this onto its own article. It is one thing putting a link to the Boat Club and an entirely different thing giving one single club an entire paragraph in a mildly related article. --Mintchocicecream 22:14, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree that's a better way to handle it, but since the external link to the boat club is now in the Lantau Boat Club article, there is no reason to have it on the Discovery Bay page. Niteowlneils 00:15, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
I agree - removed link from Discovery Bay page. --Mintchocicecream 12:25, 22 July 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Recreation and Entertainment

I have moved the accidentally misplaced para on the DB Marina Club from the Life in DB section to the more appropriate position below the list of clubs.

In addition, I have added a little information to the para on club membership, outlining the original, also contentious, membership rules with particular regard to the restriction on ferry tickets that existed for several years. It adds a little to the overall picture of DB but is it appropriate for Wikipedia? Any comments will be appreciated. — kintak 04:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Lead In

With some trepidation I removed the internal links attached to Yi Pak Bay and Tai Pak Bay as these both led to the Wikipedia no-page-with-this-title-exists search page. If this was not in order I will restore them but we probably need to consider adding brief pages on these two, if reliable information on them is available. I seem to remember there was a loading pier in Yi Pak in the days before DB when the area was a cattle ranch, but have no confirmation of this or any further info at present. — kintak 04:51, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Original developer

I had come across an article in Hong Kong Economic Journal, either by Mr. Cho or by Mr. Lam, that Hong Kong Resort Company Limited is not the orginial developer of Discovery Bay. The original developer went into great financial difficulty during the big slump of 1973. HKR obtained the property through some channels. Does anyone know about the history? — HenryLi (Talk) 16:42, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I believe that is correct - but it is a bit more complicated than that: Discovery Bay originally was one of two places earmarked by the then Hong Kong government for leisure and recreation, and was originally envisaged to be a resort development. However, it got some bad loans (from a bank in Moscow or somewhere there in the then-Soviet Union) and then control was effectively transferred to the Cha Family. Whether or not HKRI is the original developer is thus a bit of a problem -- my understanding is that BEFORE the assets were taken over, the company was also called HKR -- the Cha Family took over HKR as a whole, rather than its assets...
I know where you can find the source - it is the first Discovery Bay Guidebook published in the early 1990s. I have a copy at home in Hong Kong - but I am not going to be in Hong Kong until December 2006. So yea, if anyone is able to contribute it would be most welcome! Alternatively, you might find something from the proceedings against HKRI in 2003-2004 for encroaching on government land and not paying the appropriate land premiums for the changes in land use. --mintchocicecream 17:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Citing sources

I noticed a lot of this page needs proper citation. I've just tried adding a number (and formatting a number of others) - but a lot more needs to be done, for example:

Construction of DB began in the early 1980s. The final idea of a self-contained community with resort characteristics was unique and proved very popular in Hong Kong; when the first phase of DB went on sale in 1982, houses and flats sold out quickly. [citation needed]


I am SURE this is right because I read it before, but I don't have the source with me. Any sources would be extremely appreciated. --mintchocicecream 16:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Edits by 210.3.14.165

I am a bit concerned by the edits by anonymous user 210.3.14.165 over April 2008 which have removed a lot of the criticisms about the development. In particular, the section on the government investigation into the developer has been removed --

The development was found to have encroached on government land. The change to the plan from a public holiday resort to a private residential development attracted controversy from the government, local media and the general public, resulting in subsequent debates in the Legislative Council (Grant of land at Discovery Bay and Yi Long Wan (Audit Commission, Chapter 5); 2005 http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr04-05/english/pac/reports/43/ch_5.pdf) - which concluded that while the government approved the changes in plans, land premiums that are payable in conjunction with the changes were never paid - nor requested by the government in the twenty-plus years since. Moreover, The Audit Office could not find the public recreational facilities which were the main reason for the initial land grant.

However - other bits have been tidied up so I assume the edit was done good faith. Any other views on this?

If one compares the edit on April 1st with the current version, one can see the changes: [[2]]

--mintchocicecream (talk) 23:42, 24 May 2008 (UTC)