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[edit] Large Change

I recently made a significant change to this article. A number of things were not clear, and there were no external links to necessary organizations such as the PDGA. I've included links to many driving and putting clinics that are very helpful. I also made mention of 11x World Champ Ken Climo. It seems logical to include him. I also answered a number of questions the average beginner has: What discs should I throw? How much does it cost? Where do I go to play? I also clearly defined some essential terminology, rather then embeding it in certain paragraphs. Itemized lists are often easier to follow than piecing together info from place to place.

I also changed a key heading to "Difference and Similarities to Ball Golf". Explaining the similarities helps to define the sport as well. Ball golf is an easy reference that almost everyone is familiar width. That should be taken advantage of.

Types of Shots: I limited this to the most commonly used shots. Players should be worried about these shots first and foremost. Other shots are grouped into 'Trick Shots' because they are so very rarely used. I also included places to SEE the grips and there was no mention of the X-Step in the old article, so I provided a link that will explain it. I also included tips about changing discs based on throwing styles. I feel this site should explain the basics and offer a place for advanced players to learn a thing or two as well. I also included an explination of various putting styles.

I have added a section about manufacturers and types of plastics from Innova and Discraft. These are what people play with. They are more in demand than the other manufacturors, and most likely to be found at a local sporting good stores. People should know about what they are most easily going to find. I also answer the question of how much does it cost. That is so very important.

I've also added comments about safety I felt were important.

Equipment: I added a much more detailed explination of discs and what they do. I made things more organized. Again, itemized lists are easier to understand.

I also added a section about what comprises a 'complete bag'. This seems important as well, as people often get caught up in the vast magnitude of discs that are available.

24.93.116.94 23:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Q

The large changes you have made violate wikipedia's policies; recently, the article has been receiving some much-needed attention in concerns to being less of a "how-to" article and becoming truly encyclopedic. The changes you have introduced are inhibiting progress. Discgolfrules 23:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm alright with most of what was taken out. I didn't realize what the 'rules' were. There are some things I think we should re-consider though. For example, flight ratings of the discs. Speed, Glide, Fade and Turn. That's pretty standard stuff in the disc golf world. I also think we need to include the PDGA. No article on football would disclude the NFL and an article on ball golf would mention the PGA. I also don't think discussing why discs do what they do is out of bounds. Why shouldn't we discuss that a disc is too understable or overstable for certain throwing styles? That's no different than discussing the 3-4 vs the 4-3 defense. Links to gripping and footwork styles should also be included. Different styles are prevelant in this sport, and should be discussed.

24.93.116.94Q —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 15:57, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Flight ratings of discs is not standardized, and are likely terms copyrighted by Innova. They are only numbers which are subject to different situations, and as such have little place in an informative article about the sport. You could put them in an Innova article, but it would be speedily deleted for blatant promotion of a business...

The PDGA has been mentioned in the article in the past, and it does deserve to be mentioned, but it has its own page. All you can do is say "the PDGA (link to its own page) is the governing body of disc golf."

We shouldn't discuss anything about a discs characteristics. Wikipedia can only gain credibility if it is about facts, not common beliefs, and unsourced entries. We've been struggling with the page being considered "how-to" information, so I've attempted to remove most of it, and I hope to source most of the remaining information so the "how-to" tag can eventually be removed. Thank you for your time and contributions. Discgolfrules 21:38, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I think we define discuss differently...by discuss I mean present...and to an extent, through editing this article, we are discussing the sport. Different people are making their contribution to the article and then discussing it on this page, which anyone can access.

I'm not entirely convinced those terms are copyright to Innova, and even if they are, they are the standard that vendors and players tend to use. Regardless, I think we should make some reference to disc characteristics other than over and understable. We should discuss the speed and glide of the disc and the difference in how the disc will behave at high speeds and low speeds. Even if we don't have specific number charts, we should cite things like some discs are faster than others, which is why they produce more distance. No, they aren't standardized, but manufactures identify which of their discs are faster than others. We can't provide a standard for comparing specific disc ratings from manufactorer to manufactorer and we should cite that as well. Identifying that the sport is attempting to create a standard is informative in my opinion. By being a 'golf' sport, disc golf is compared strongly to ball golf by the average person. Explaining the characteristics of discs helps to break that stereotype and establish disc golf as unique sport.

All vendors make reference to their discs speed, glide and stability. These are simply the terms used to identify in general terms what the disc will do. I strongly disagree that they do not have a place in an informative article. Disc characteristics are a major part of disc golf. Every time I tell someone who isn't familiar with disc golf that I play disc golf, they always ask why I have 18 different discs in my bag. And I have to give a brief explination of how different discs are for different shots. That's something that people want to know about. To the average person, a disc golf disc is no different than a freestyle frisbee or ultimate disc.

Disc golf is a young sport, and as a result most of it's characteristics are undefined. Anything we discuss about disc characteristics and techniques are common beliefs. And a lot of these terms, such as speed and glide, are used at every tournament I've attended. And I've played in tournaments across the country. They are as close to universals as disc golf has. Aside from the PDGA, there isn't an authority on disc golf, and they only cover the rules and organized play. Everything related to throwing technique and disc characteristics comes from other sources, such as manufacterers and top pros. There is nothing relating to disc characteristics of discs or throwing techniques anywhere on the PDGA website. We should be discussing what is generally universal in the disc golf community.

By discussing the PDGA, I simply meant to identify it as the governing body and identify that the rules presented in this entry are those set by the PDGA. The PDGA provides what little standard disc golf has.

24.93.116.9410/15/07 - Q —Preceding comment was added at 06:52, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

I do not object to mentioning terms such as speed, glide, turn, and fade, but I do not believe a numerical value should be attached to these terms, especially considering they change as new equipment is manufactured (Speed 12 discs, for example.) The PDGA should be identified as the governing body, with a link, and yes, a mention of the rules is a good idea.

I would love to see a section about disc charecteristics and throwing styles, if it could all be cited and sourced. I am unsure as to how much verifiable material exists on the subject. Discgolfrules 21:32, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

We appreciate your effort 24.93 but I think we should leave an in-depth discussion of disc flight characteristics to the Flying Disc article, once we get some good sources on the actual science behind their flight. Sure this article should mention over/understable terminology but anything beyond that (speed, glide, fade, etc.) is probably too much. The ratings that inova advertises are arbitrary and may or may not be based on real science. There is plenty of how-to style stuff that goes into great depth elsewhere out there on the internet. I agree with DGR that this article needs to go on a diet. -- Diletante 23:27, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

The whole thing still reads like an informal chat to me. I hadn't checked in a while and came back to what I feel is a worse article in violation of many of the wiki rules. I made a few minor changes today and held my fingers on the rest. At the very least, we could take a lesson from the other sport wikis that include a brief intro, then history, then more info on the game. Several formatting issues, and as usual the citation issues. I disagree with many of the "common knowledge" things in the article. Also, there really shouldn't be a place for "tips" in the wiki. Pull out the old World Books or Encyclopedia Britannica and use those as a guide for what this article should look like.--FisherME (talk) 21:01, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disc Golf not a trademark

"Ed Headrick coined and trademarked the term "Disc Golf" when formalizing the sport and invented the Disc Pole Hole" There is no record of "Disc Golf" being a trademark. Many trademarks (some dead, some still live) inlude the phrase "disc golf", but the simple two-word phrase has not been registered as a trademark. I will delete the statement unless someone can provide evidence that it was a trademark.

[edit] Comparison of "Frisbees" and golf discs

This part is innacurate. A Frisbee is a brand of disc (a registered trademark of Wham-O, Inc.) It's not a type or style of disc. There are beveled-edge golf discs, clearly recognizable to disc golfers as golf discs, and designed for the sport, which ARE "Frisbee" discs (i.e. they are from Wham-O, and are marketed with Wham-O's trademark). They are not merely "like" Frisbees, they ARE Frisbees. Maybe they should be compared to popular general purpose discs, or toy discs, or discs used in Ultimate. But the comparison to Frisbees is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.68.134.1 (talk) 19:45, August 29, 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hyzer

The section on "Hyzer" is inappropriate. Calling it the "most famous" term is unsupportable. The description is clumsy and inaccurate, and not encyclopedic. The term was not "made famous" by one specific player (unless you have a valid citation). It was first used, in print (ca 1975), by Stancil Johnson, and has long been applied to ANY flying disc sport, or even recreational throwing. The term is used in disc golf, but it's not specific to disc golf.

"Hyzer" was Stancil Johnson's term for the measurement of the side-to-side angle of release for a disc with respect to the horizon. "Mung" was his term for the front-to-back angle of release. In personal conversations with him he stated that he invented several terms in his 1975 book A Frisbee Player's Handbook and definitive treatise. He was surprised that “hyzer” was adopted. And while “a hyzer shot” has come to mean any disc thrown with a downward edge opposite the gripping hand, to remain true to Johnson’s definition, one should say “a disc thrown with hyzer.” —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.219.14 (talk) 13:20, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

For more information on hyzer and anhyzer see Ching's website at http://www.chingdiscgolf.com/downloads/index.php?dir=Universal%20Stability%20Guide/&file=Universal_Stability_Guide.pdf This visually explains the effect on the disc. I also added Ching to the list of disc manufacturers as they were instrumental in creating the new plastics and multicolor discs used by most companies as their high-end material. It should be noted that they produced the high-end Innova discs before producing their own line. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.198.91.191 (talk) 19:12, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] removed manufacturers and disc golf clubs, courses and disc golfers

I've removed the sections for disc golf manufacturers and disc golf clubs. These two sections contributed very little to the article and were turning into link respositories (which wikipedia is not). The other wikipedia articles on sports don't seem to have this kind of thing (the article on regular golf has no listing of golf club makers or country clubs). This is not the kind of information people would be interested in when they look up disc golf.--Daveswagon 18:36, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

What kind of information do you think people would be interested in when they look up disc golf? It strikes me that a lot of the editing to this article results in making it less informative. That may fit some interpretations of the rules, but would not seem to be a key strategic result for an informative article. Splendid (talk) 16:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

I've now removed the courses and disc golfers sections as well. Both of these sections contributed little or nothing towards explaining what disc golf itself is and they have the potential to become huge lists (since there are hundreds of courses and players). I think one link to a directory of courses (if such a site exists) and a similar one for notable disc golfers would be much better.--Daveswagon 21:29, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. A ball golf article would be lacking not to mention Arnold Palmer and Tiger Woods; so should a disc golf article mention the most famed players such as Ken Climo and Barry Schultz. This article is currently lacking for mention of Barry. I beleive Course guides are equally worthwhile to include, and I attribute ball golf's lack of such to a situation of private selling of that information over a public repository. Including only the PDGA's course guide is unneccessarily restrictive. Though they are definetly the authorative site, there are sections it is lacking which other sites fill, both in information and user-interface. Though I agree, individual course links would be excessive, linking the equivalents to ball golf's Pebble Beach or Augusta would seem reasonable. Certainly more useable and appropriate to any reader than the pop-culture references section. evilmousse 9/26/6

--The PDGA course directory can be found at: <http://www.pdga.com/course/index.php> It contains a listing of all worldwide courses known to the PDGA, searchable by zip code, city/state, or even a Google Maps option. It is the most complete available resource for disc golf courses (but it's not perfect!) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.8.179.31 (talk • contribs)

-Removed more club links from the external links, perhaps someone could start a wiki for club links only? 65.7.226.217 18:05, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] number of holes

I've read both 18 and 19 holes as standard for a disc golf course; my understanding is that 19 is more common.User:justfred

Justfred, in fact (at least in the USA) 18 hole courses are overwhelmingly the most common, with 9 hole courses following. Furthermore, more and more 27 hole courses are popping up. The conventions pertaining to course layout and number of holes is typically much looser than in conventional ball golf.

Oak Grove in Pasadena, CA, the first course and the one I visit the most, has 19 holes. http://www.ogdgc.org/map.htm Morley Field in San Diego is 19 holes. http://www.morleyfield.com/course/art007.gif - User:justfred

The truth is that there is no "standard" number of holes for disc golf. THe PDGA (who is the governing body for disc golf and writes all of the rules) lists no standard or required number of holes, as far as I'm aware. In tournament play, 18 holes per round is the most common (and is the number used at Winthrop, where the USDGC is held every year), and the most I have played in a tournament round is 24. I have question to the PDGA rules committee about any set range of acceptable number of holes for sanctioned tournament play.

18 holes is by far the most common, at least in the States. Some courses have alternate pin or tee placements. This can give the appearance of more than 18 holes. Disc golf historically has mirrored the Professional Golf Association as much as possible.

This discussion is illustrative of how difficult it can be for someone who is not a disc golfer to consider themselves an authority on what is appropriate in an article about disc golf. Where I live in Michigan, I am at this moment within 30 minutes drive of 5 9-hole courses, 3 18-hole courses, and 3 24-hole courses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Splendid (talk • contribs) 16:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] throwing

Is the disc thrown with the hand, or by using some sort of club as in standard golf? Jorge Stolfi 08:22, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

Jorge, the disc is thrown with the hand. Unlike ball golfers, where the club is generally gripped one way per golfer (with some occassionally having an alternate grip for putting), disc golfers employ a *wide* variety of grips and throwing styles for different shots and situations. Describing and illustrating these myriad styles could be a whole contribution unto themselves. Backhand (what is viewed as "traditional"), forehand, tomahawk, rollers (yes, players roll them on edge purposefully vast distances in the right conditions) and more.

I thought that 'forehand' was "traditional", but whatever. And lol @ 'roller', lmao. Imma hafta use that.

Actually, PDGA rules prohibit use of any extensions to the arm or hand in throwing the disc. Aids to improve grip, such as a glove or drying agent on the hand are permissible as long as they do not change the disc or the mechanics of the throwing arm. --JoelBSmith 14:10, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard of 'backhand' being the "traditional" throw. In my opinion that's bogus. I would say, and many would probly agree with me, that 'forehand' is the "traditional" throw. --Noah Wagner, PHS

Noah, in a recent poll I ran, 14 percent of players primarily throw forehand and 86 percent primarily throw backhand. The N was 200 when I closed the poll.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.38.188.204 (talk) 16:15, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] picture

I added a picture of a freind of mine, but it kind of...sucks. A better one would be ideal--Crucible Guardian 8 July 2005 02:35 (UTC)

I added a somewhat better picture of a friend of mine.--Daveswagon 09:59, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Much thanks --Crucible Guardian 18:27, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

The picture should probably be changed to one of Barry or Kenny or some other well-known top disc golfer. The current one doesn't do much justice for our sport!

[edit] Disc list

If you really think the list of discs needs to be included (I don't), I think it MUST have the disc manufacturer (Innova, Discraft, etc.) listed next to each disc. 69.254.196.144 02:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beginner Disc Selection

I removed the "Beginner Disc Selection" part of the article as it seems to go beyond the scope of what an encyclopedic article is (and it's written in first person). Below is text I removed. If anyone wants to revise it to be more relevant and reinsert it--be my guest. --Daveswagon 21:01, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

As mentioned above there are several different manufacturers of disc golf discs. If you are new to the sport, then you probably need some advice on what discs to start out with. One of the biggest mistakes I see out on the course is beginners are throwing discs that are too overstable for them.

Here is a good list of discs you can pick up that won't be too overstable for a beginner's arm.

the leoperd, roadrunner, mids,roc breez,stingray.

Putter -Anything that feels comfortable to you. Different putters do different things. Try to find someone playing on the closest course near you and see if he/she will let you check out their putters before you go out and buy one. The best players usually buy several of the same putter in the same weight.

[edit] Disc golf clubs

I was looking in Category:Frisbee and was very confused when I saw the title of disc golf clubs, thinking it a little oxymoronic. All the same, it's just a page of external links. Wikipedia is not a link farm, and that page is pretty much just a lot of links without wiki articles. This is not to say that these numerous disc golf clubs are deserving or not deserving of articles on their own. Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:External links outline the policies and guidelines about this.heres the That being said, what is probably better is a single link to a web directory (DMOZ seems to be the preferred one) category of disc golf clubs. --Christopherlin 04:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I was the one who moved it to its own page. I apologize if this went against Wikipedia rules, but I wanted to get the list out of the main article as it was causing what I perceived to be ridiculous bloat. And yes, I did note the subtle irony of the title.--Daveswagon 05:51, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I would agree that there are way way too many external links on this page. Also, I think the second half of the History section reads like a sales pitch, hardly NPOV. I would suggest somebody with information about the subject clean this page up a bit. Guardian 00:38, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Read if you have heard of Suzy Sticks or Durango Boot

Someone recently created an article on Suzy Sticks, one of those weird games that disc sport people play. It was recently deleted out of process, which is why it is at deletion review. Currently it redirects to Disc golf. I think that we should have an article for spin-off games associated with Ultimate and other disc sports. Obviously Goaltimate, Disc golf and Ultimate should have separate articles, but there should be a Disc games article for well known games as there is for Scrabble variants. There are many others out there like Hot Box, which probably aren't deserving of their own article, but should be included. This has been cross-posted at Talk:Ultimate (sport), Talk:Disc golf, and Talk:Goaltimate. I would like to know if others tink that there should be a combined article. Please leave comments at User talk:WAvegetarian/Disc games. —WAvegetarian•_{_{CONTRIBUTIONS}}^{^TALK}• ^{^EMAIL}• 16:39, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Kill SPAM

Folks, if you're one of the people who has been adding link spam to external links section, please stop. If you're not one of these people, please help keep this section spam-free. It makes this page and this sport look like a joke when there's a massive list of external links. The article for regular golf, despite its "popularity", has only five external links.

Hopefully you can all agree that the external links section should not contain:

Community sites for specific regions - we cannot put a link for every state/city/county's disc golf club, so we won't post any such sites
Blogs - Unless a blog is exceptionally informative, notable, or popular, it should not be linked here. Disc Golf Review has an Alexa page rank of about 300,000 and DiscGolf.com has one of 500,000. There were a few sites that were posted that were in the 5,000,000 range. This is much too obscure.

Note that PDGA.com itself has only an Alexa ranking of 164,741 - how high a ranking would you expect other, related sites to have? Splendid (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Sites that sell discs or disc golf products - Wikipedia is not for advertising, unless the site contributes significantly to explaining what disc golf is in a way this article cannot, the site should not be listed.

In light of the above comments, it seems the following should be removed: -WV (regional website) -SNDG (again, regional website) -PDGA sanctioned tournaments (can be accessed from the main PDGA link) -World Disc Games (is not specifically about disc golf) -Mini Disc Golf Fed (is a form of disc golf) -Women's Disc Golf Association (promotes the sport, isn't very informative) FisherME 18:24, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Suggestion to remove links to: PDGA course directory (as it is accessible through PDGA link); Guardians of Recreation (promotion of the sport, not informative); Women's Disc Golf Association (per above - promotion, not informative) --FisherME 19:33, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Add FrolfCaddy?

FrolfCaddy - I found this resource a few months back. It is a very neat disc golf site. Not only does it provide a course listing but also allows players to enter their scores. From these scores, players are awarded trophy discs and can view stats - both overall and per course. Overall stats include shot percentages and other interesting (but perhaps useless) stats like total number of games played, total shots thrown. Course stats look like http://www.frolfcaddy.com/users/vandergus/scorebook/Old_Farm_Park/46 Players are also able to create friends lists. When you enter a game, if a friend has a game at the same course around the same time, you can link the two games. This allows you to compare your shots and stats with your friends. The site also keeps track of weather information for each game. This works even if you don't enter the game right when you play it as long as you select the correct time when adding the game.

The best part about this site is that it is user driven. Users add the courses, course schemes and par schemes. Other users can modify them leaving versions similar to a wiki. I'm sure I forgot about some features. Can always keep an eye on the community with http://www.frolfcaddy.com/stats Personally I find this site more useful than several of the sites currently listed for External Links. However, I've added it a couple of times and it keeps getting removed. Today I received a message to add this to the discussion page. I will not add this site again, but let the wiki community decide.

Oh yeah, and it doesn't violate any of the rules above - region specific, not a blog, and it doesn't sell any products - free registration—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.143.121.153 (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for discussing this here first. To clarify, what I wrote about SPAM links are not "rules"; they're general suggestions I made for this page. Sorry if it came off in that way. The complete guidelines for external links can be found here. FrolfCaddy seems like a good site, but it's very non-notable at the moment. Alexa gives it a ranking of 5,536,673. As I said above, this is far, far behind sites like Disc Golf Review and DiscGolf.com. Furthermore, it doesn't really add anything more to the explanation of what disc golf is, which is the purpose of this article and its links.--Daveswagon 00:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It appears that Alexa has finally updated their rankings. FrolfCaddy is now ranked significantly better than most of the other external links at 560,355. As I find this resource more helpful than the others, I am going to add it back on the external links page. If you feel it should be removed, please discuss it here and let the group decide.

[edit] Chicken Wing

I think the rumor that the Chicken Wing has been thrown over 800 feet is totally bogus. I've never heard anyone claiming to be able to throw this shot more than 150 feet, and it seems like it is very unlikely to go any farther. I think this shot should be removed, as it is not common at all, and the 800 feet is totally unverified. Fmalcangi 01:44, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Current WFDF distance records (http://www.wfdf.org/index.php?page=records/index.htm) indicate the longest open air throw is 250m (just over 800ft). Competitors throwing distance at USDGC and Worlds that I've watched all throw backhand shots. You really just can't generate as much power with a chicken wing. FisherME 17:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I have read much discussion with knowledgable disc golfers, and I believe that the Chicken Wing distance theory is a myth. I am going to clean up that part of this article. Fmalcangi 06:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

I have heard of players able to throw a Chicken Wing 300 feet, but not farther than that.

Answer: There are some players; one in particular, who make absurd claims about the "chicken wing" throw. It's a load of nonsense, and has no place in the article without a proper citation.

Overhand wrist flip is the "classic" name for this throw. In the late 1970's Hugh Lowery of Mary Washington College and one of the founders of the Virginia State Frisbee Tournament was using the overhand wrist flip for distance and approached 300'. In the early 1980's Rich Reilly was using this throw for distance and exeeded 300'. I witnessed these throws. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.99.219.14 (talk) 13:11, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] discgolftv.com

I removed the link to discgolftv.com, even though I believe it explains the sport in a way that this Wiki cannot. The site contains many videos of disc golfers and related videos. Although I originally included the site in the Wiki, I have taken it down to aviod breaking any rules.

-000 Jeez I really miss the kill spam notice on the top of the disc golf page.

[edit] Userbox

This user is a Frolfer.

cool, but no one I know uses the term frolfer (disc golf is the preffered term because "frisbee" is trademarked by the wham-o toy company) , also that looks like an ultimate disc and not a golf disc. A more appropiate picture might be a bag full of discs Diletante 18:07, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tournament Section

There needs to be a section on tournaments which explains the various tiers, divisions, PDGA rankings and all that stuff. My knowlege of that topic is a few years out of date. Diletante 02:59, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] registered trademark

Do we have to write "Frisbee®" all the time? Is Frisbee not good enough? --Aleph-4 17:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Drug Use

Drug use (marijuana) by disc golf players is so prevailing - I don't know of any other sport where it is so prevalent - I think it merits a mention in the article. 134.134.136.5 22:16, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you point to a reputable, published article that mentions this? That would be a good start. --W.marsh 22:23, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

skateboarding maybe? golf does not mention alcohol, Baseball does not mention tobacco. If we had a culture section and a reliable source for this then it might be worth a mention though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Diletante (talk • contribs) 22:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

Funny, because I just played for the first time with a Young Life leader who is completely straight-edge... What a waste of 4-20.... Well, at least in my oppinion. Still had fun.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by an anonymous non-subscriber • contribs) 22:26, 26 February 2007 (UTC).

This is exactly the stigma that professional disc golf is moving away from and feels is holding the sport back from larger sponsorship. It is, in fact, even written in the rules of disc golf (804.05 A) that "Activities which are in violation of the law or park regulation or disc golf course rule, including the illegal consumption of drugs or alcohol" are grounds for tournament disqualification and possibly PDGA suspension. Drug use is distinctly not part of the sport itself, especially not at the competitive level. --FisherME 19:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Agree. Drug use has nothing to do with disc golf itself, no more than doping has to do with cycling. It could be argued that it's a part of the culture more so than other sports, but you'd need an authoritative reference to put this in the article. Hemidemisemiquaver 23:14, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Differences with ball golf

Is this section necessary? Also, I removed the comment about player score cards rather than group score cards in tournament play as this is not ubiquitous in the disc golf community. --FisherME 03:17, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Local Clubs

The links to the local clubs at the bottom should be removed. We can't add every local club to that list or it would be pages and pages long. They do not really add much to teach the reader about the sport.

[edit] Removed American Football reference

No numbers or links cited on this oddly off-topic criticism of American Football. There are several professional American Football leagues where woman can compete as well as many flag leagues (i.e. http://www.womensfootballcentral.com/). If you want to compare percent of disc golf players who are female versus percent of American Football player who are female that would be fine by me with appropreate sources. But the existing comment was uncited and incorrect.

[edit] champion list

where is the official website listing of champions and you do not mention scott stokley who is a reputed champion during some of the listed years but you never mention him ???? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.110.2 (talk) 09:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Women in Disc Golf

Alright, I'm all for it because I am a female disc golfer, but the current statement that disc golf is known for its "large female population" is very misleading. In fact, the PDGA 2006 disc golf demographics[1] state that only 8% of 11302 PDGA members (about 900) are females. I wouldn't consider that outstanding female participation for a sport... --FisherME 22:30, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Instead of "large" to describe approximately 8% of the players, would "modest" be a more appropriate term? Discgolfrules 16:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

It would be a better term, but still I don't feel conveys reality. Perhaps just a link to the PDGA demographic report would help, such that someone can find the actual number. --FisherME 17:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Informal Tone

"Understanding the difference between different disc types is crucial to improving. Each type of disc is designed for certain situations. However, it is interesting to note that if thrown correctly, most discs will perform as desired, often mimicking other types of discs. For instance, some putters can be thrown near the distance of a driver, or an understable disc can be thrown at a very sharp angle to achieve the same effect as an overstable disc. The flight patterns of both very under and overstable discs can be manipulated to take very different paths to the same location. In other words, it is important to consider the wind, obstacles, and pin placements when choosing a disc. Also, when learning to play disc golf, focus on learning with two or three discs only. Get comfortable with all types of throws and situations using only those two or three discs. That way it will be easier to identify differences in disc types." While the information presented here is good, I would like to reword it so as to sound less like unverified advice. I would greatly appreciate if the original author could do this Discgolfrules 16:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Quality

A lot of the information in the article is common knowledge, but I would like to add citations and verification to the information to meet wikipedia's standards. Also, if anyone understands how to use free-use imagery, could they work on getting a picture of just a disc golf disc on the page? Discgolfrules 14:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ads

Does one company hold such a dominant position in the manufacture of these "disks" as to make it reasonable for every (?) disc mentioned to be made by the same one? This looks a *lot* like advertising. swyves190.21.185.89 (talk) 03:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frolf and/or Folf

I just reverted someone changing 'Frolf', the longer resident term here, to 'Folf'. Checking the page above I didn't see any discussion on this. Checking the 50th older revision I saw that at one point both 'Frolf' and 'Folf' were mentioned. Which one or both of these is acceptable and why? I've stupidly put this page on my watchlist from some long ago era of vandalism and just want to know what's legit. ;-) Shenme (talk) 05:07, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

I've done some quick research. There are more hits on google for "frolf" but the only thing that appears citable is a news article for "folf."

So then would the general concensus be to mention both? I'd prefer to use a cite for whatever we do use, seeing as the article has issues with uncited information. Discgolfrules (talk) 18:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)