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Hello Dirak! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking Image:Wikisigbutton.png or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Khoikhoi 08:29, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] About warning

Dear Dirak, Firstly assume goodwill please. I sent my warning after your 3rd Rv, to stop you for further attempts. Inversely, it is possible to wait till to 4th and report you but this is not a good behaviour. Basicly,and clearly, I dont share your POV in many area and I dont like your style of rv but these are different matters.please be calm.Regards.

  • Note: It is not a good behaviour to hide previous warnings in your talk page.

regards again.MustTC 17:25, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

  • I replied at your talkpage. //Dirak 17:31, 12 December 2006 (UTC)But

Answer. That needs a long answer. Those that sell weapons are never far from conflict.Mark us street 12:05, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Can't disagree there. What about those who buy them? //Dirak 12:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Fear of neighbours is good for biz.it suits some to keep things brewing. Some buy out of fear, others to overthrow, Romania will buy 48 fighter planes from America next year . If PMR had more money to spend on Fighter planes the yanks would tale a different side. I guess that's just business to them and thats how this big bad world works. Rwanda, Liberia, S.L and now Eastern Europe is the new weapons market. Odd how the cycle turns. Just makes me sick. Mark us street 16:07, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your advice. We should keep Wikipedia free from ethnic hatred. However, I don't think armed resistance indicates or implies bloodshed and similar massacres. Thank for the advice anyway. All the best. Embargo 17:01, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Γεια

Γεια,

όταν έχω το χρόνο από την πανεπιστημιακή εργασία που θα δοκιμάσω το καλύτερό μου για να μάθω πρώτα τα ελληνικά και έπειτα κουρδικά. Θυμήθηκα 6 έτη μου στην Ελλάδα που δεν μπορώ να πιστεψω πόσο όμορφο ήταν. I hope that is translated correctly :). Apart from that I think if I was to start a Greek language course I would learn it easier because I have the basis; that is exactly what I'm planing to do. You seem to be really interested in languages; how many do you speak? and for the "Kürtçe'yi Türkçe'den daha kolaydır ama Türkçe dili yine de güçtür" did you mean Kurdish is more difficult then Turkish but Turkish is still hard?

For Yilmaz Guney, he was a half Kurmanc (the proper Kurds) and half Zaza (Iranian people often identified as Kurds), Kurdish writer, actor, director... apart from the nonsense arguments here about his ethnicity he's a very sucessful director and scenarists; his films are loved by many it is strange though how he has mentioned in interviews that he isn't satisfied with the work he did because he didn't have the chance to work with professional actors and cast. In his documentary, From Adana to Paris, he mention how his work are realistic because of his struggle. Through out his life he has supported the Kurdish human rights just like; Ahmet Kaya, Aziz Nesin, Nazim Hikmet, Ahmet Arif and others within this infinite list; these people were also people who were considered to be "Hain"'s which translates to traitors but by many open-minded people in Turkey they are considered revolutionaries who have done something great for their people. I would just like to add that Yilmaz Guney isn't just famous because of the fight he has fought for freedom but because his films are really good and are even studied in universities all around the world.

Πάρτε την προσοχή

—Ozgur Gerilla 16:41, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Kalispera,

I have to tell you that I spent 5 minutes fully understanding this:

"Use the neuter plural forms of adjectives when referring to vague conditions"

It seems as if it's totally irrelevant with the languages that I know. Moving to the sentence I wrote in Greek I cannot even read it; I have just translated it from English to Greek on the website you've given. I have difficulty pronouncing greek letters some are very strange and opposite to English even though I do mathematics were we use some Greek letters. But when it comes to your masterpiece:

Kürtçe'yi Türkçe'den daha kolaydır ama Türkçe dili yine de güçtür

1. Kürtçe doesn't need a "'yi" but when get rid of that and read the sentence it would be understood complete wrong; it will interpret to "Kurdish is easier than Turkish but the Turkish language is still 3.ˡ". To change the meaning to the opposite just change the location of Kürtçe with Türkçe and add "'den" at the end of Kürtçe. Thus;

Türkçe Kürtçe'den daha kolay ama Türkçe dili yine de zor

2. Kolaydır is correct but to be elegant remove "dır".

3. Güçtür is a wrong word to use in that sentence when you have "zor". This is due to Güç having a couple of meanings; hard, strength, force and mainly because it is a word which was mostly used in Ottoman Turkish for "difficulty" it isn't the perfect word to express the word "difficulty" in modern Turkish. It's the alternative in that sentence; but using it will just confuse some speakers but they will eventually understand you. Bear in mind that, both, zor and güç have the same meaning thus phases such as "Zoruma gidiyor" and "Güçüme gidiyor" have exactly the same meaning which translate to "It's getting to me" used to describe an emotional feeling. Güç is used more to express strength; zor cannot be used here. Zor is used to express difficulty or hard.

Coming to Kurds in Turkey, I believe (with many more that I've discussed the issue) that there is at the least 10 millions Kurds or mixed Kurds (with Turks, Arabs, Armenians or anything else) who consider themselves OR are forced to consider themselves as Turks. Because in turkey socially there is a complexity of being a Kurd (people in Turkey consider being Kurdish as a crime; since anything Kurdish is 'seperatist' and 'seperatists' are 'terrorists' in the mind of Turkish people) and factors such as been the minority has forced many people to bury their real identity especially in those cities that were closer to the east. With language (and language is an important role in the stability of a society) the Turkish constitution does not mention the Kurdish language at all. Article 3 states:

“The Turkish state, with its territory and nation, is an indivisible entity. Its language is Turkish.”

Article 42 takes this further. There are obviously other reason why I believe there is so many Kurds who feel they are Turkish. I look around and see some of my cousin who are Kurdish talking against the Kurdish people; discriminated and use racist slurs which is not nice at all. But apart from the discriminating exception we should understand that it's their choice to feel what ever ethnicity they want. But to connect it, I believe most of the people are either ignorant enough to understand what ethnicity is or related to Turkification. I don't even want to meantion examples of discrimination towards the Kurds, seriously, it's countless.

Edit: for Mountain-Turks; that was absolutely a political way during the ending of the Ottoman empire and Turkish Republic to Turkify Kurds. Inonu; was a Kurd that didn't accept the Kurdish identity; or at least some sources say it this say it can nonetheless be a conspiracy plan :)

Hope I didn'y bore you.

Best.

[edit] From Adam777

Is it a national pastime to butt into disagreements that have nothing to do with you in the first place? Dirak, if we were to converse you would find my views are far different from what you have inferred. However the initial poster I was debating issues with (who has the good grace not to make adolescent accusations hither and thither) and his friend Slogankid are of the opinion that there were no human rights abuses perpertrated on Turkish Cypriots in any way, at any time. History (the actual real kind of history as opposed to whatever passes for a school sylubus in Greece) clearly shows the opposite and shows a nation torn aside by inept and untrustworthy politicians and external influence. Its not the actions of either party that inflame me, sadden yes, inflame no, its the nationalistic bias that attempts to re-write history to show only the Greek Cypriots as having suffered in Cyprus. The truth is far removed from that fiction. As a Kurd I'm sure that denying human rights abuses agaisnt any people is something you can relate to. Adam777 18:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

FYI...the 'Adolescent Accusations' bit wasnt aimed at you it was at Slogankid who chose to instigate this little exchange.
Because I really don't want to get into another nationalist shouting match, I'm not going to reply. Draw your own conclusions - I nevertheless offer you my "wiki-friendship". //Dirak 20:13, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Nationalist shouting matches only seem to serve to get politicians elected at the end of the day. Its for that reason I don't edit Cypriot articles or Israel/Palestinian ones...man those pages are nasty. I rarely participate in the talk pages but when people drop into my user page and leave banalities I do respond. Take care Adam777 21:59, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

TY for sticking up for the truth I wont write anything attacking him on this page--Slogankid 11:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Srebrenica Genocide

If you want to edit Srebrenica Genocide article first read it! Emir Arven 11:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't want to edit it now; you've scared me off! //Dirak 11:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Uhm uhm

??? I had that article on my watchlist since October. I have nearly 5000 articles on my watchlist. So cut down on the paranoia, I had enough of people accusing me of stalking. It is the articles that I am watching, not the people :) Baristarim 12:17, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yoe need to brush up on your Turkish, but you speak pretty good all the same. What is the story? :)) I put in the Ottoman version of the name as a compromise. For the box, I will leave a note on the talk page. Baristarim 14:14, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mughal Empire vs. Babür İmparatorluğu

Mughal Empire is called Babür İmparatorluğu (Babur Empire) in Turkish. This is the terminology / corresponding name in Turkish. That's why the Turkish name is written there in paranthesis. Otherwise, it causes disambiguation. In Turkish literature Mughal Empire is commonly designated as Babür İmparatorluğu. Regards. E104421 14:05, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - modern Turkish. Why is only that relevant (and not all the other possible languages)? I'm not disputing that in Turkey today that's what they call it. //Dirak 14:07, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
The translation is provided for general users and it's informative. There is nothing more special about it. You can add other translations if you want, this is common in wikipedia, there is nothing wrong by providing the differences in terminology or designations. Regards. E104421 14:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Also, if you must have the modern Turkish name in, can't you call it something like Babür Devleti (use Turkic words, not Latin words). //Dirak 14:10, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, Babür Devleti is the best one, but Babür İmparatorluğu corresponds directly to Mughal Empire. Regards. E104421 14:22, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Më fal, nuk kuptoj

Welcome to Wikipedia, Dirak. Does your username mean something in foreign? :) ·ΚέκρωΨ· 18:16, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

No, it's a modified version of Dirac (User:Dirac is already taken though). Shpresoj të kuptosh tani/ελπίζω να καταλαβαίνεις τώρα. :-) //Dirak 18:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Në rregull, faleminderit! ·ΚέκρωΨ· 18:33, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Të lutem. //Dirak 18:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Ακούστε αυτό στα Ιταλικά: Spero che capisci ora... Μετά σου λέει ξεχωριστός κλάδος! NikoSilver 18:32, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
In BG it would be надявам се да разбираш сега. //Dirak 18:38, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Ставам във Планета Пайнер Клуб сегааа... ·ΚέκρωΨ· 18:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
? Трябва да отида сега, më falni të gjithë. //Dirak 18:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
Γιατί; ·ΚέκρωΨ· 19:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] {{Turkic-speaking}}

Ya, thanks for your comments on my talk page. I'm still trying to think what the criteria should be for what entities are included. Also we need to figure out a specific definition. For example, is it "countries with official Turkic languages" or what? Cheers, Khoikhoi 07:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the information about my user name! It is just the kind of research which I need. To be honest, my initial purpose wasn't so much to find translations, but transcriptions as far as was practical. Take Italian, the only way to give it an Italianate look is to end it in a vowel (mostly i, rather like you described Albanian). Spanish tends to pronounce V and B both the same, closer to B but often as a fricative - so I put a B in from the start. Anyhow, can I ask a kind favour of you; if it is not too much when you get the time, please ammend the user page to adjust the Albanian variant; throw in the Japanese (seriously, I can't get enough of these), and as you are of Arvanite descent (which I am sure explains your knowledge of Albanian), can you include an Arvanite variation if there is one? As for the letter "s", put that in somewhere but in the middle, you see, the letters e-v-l-e-k-i-s are just an anagram of my actual surname! Thanks again Dirak. Evlekis 09:33, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Sorry for taking a bit long to reply. Have been running around as usual :) So how did I get 5000 pages on my watchlist? Stalking :) kidding a bit, but when I was a new user at wiki, I need to be able to locate articles that might be of interest to me, so I tagged along with people who seemed to share my interests. After that, I simply followed the links in the articles and pressed "watch". I got most of the articles like that though. I agree with your analysis about stalking though. As long as it is not used for harrassment, it shouldn't be a problem. I got too much stuff to do in any case to waste time harrassing people for some sick pleasure. There are people who do that though, you would be surprised!

Yep, Turkish language is a bit complicated.. I knew Russians who would still confuse the conjugations and prefer to simply use "ben gitmek", even after years of living there! So what are you doing in Turkey? Business, family, pleasure? Just curious, don't have to reveal your address or anything :) I am asking simply because the only Greeks that I met in Turkey were "Rum", u know, natives or etc. I suppose that migration has become more common now that we are living in a globalized world and all.. Cheers!Baristarim 20:20, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Çok yazık Dirakçığım - demek ki sen de henüz Türkiyelileştiremediklerimizden misin? Benim çok hoşuma gidiyor bu agglutinatif diller. Gelecek.Geçmiş ☼ 21:00, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Human rights of Kurdish people in Turkey

I've nominated your article for deletion. Follow the white rabbit for my reasons and to give your opinion. yandman 15:31, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish Genocide (Turkey)? What is this? You cannot simply create articles because it might be your POV! See WP:OR. The gravity of the subject matter implies that it will be able to provide extensive sources and reliable and serious research to back up the large claims of the article's title. Baristarim 00:50, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
I am expecting to see you in the talk pages of HR f Kurdish People. Please come (along with the others who voted to keep for this article) and defend your article and your sources. Thanks Caglarkoca 00:41, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Despicable tactics and votestacking by the "so-called" "pseudo"-members of the cooperation board

I am not stupid, neither are other people. I know exactly what went down with the article that you created, and most importantly, also know why it was created. It was created two days ago, it was AfDed by an Englishman, with even a Swiss editor voting for delete, and BOUM ten Greek editors show out of nowhere one after another and vote keep. There is no way that so many Greek editors would be aware of that page since it was created only three days ago. That's not possible. This is despicable. I would kindly request that all those editors strike their names out of the cooperation board participants list. There is no need for editors who engage in such charades for such blatant attempts at disruption of Wikipedia to use that board as a smokescreen. That's not why it exists. It is not the roll call of every Greek and Turkish editor on Wikipedia, it was created for a purpose. I am sure that those with self-respect and dignity will heed my call. What is even more disturbing is the reason for the creation of the article in question. It is blatantly obvious: The debate in the PGG article has been heating up for the last week after a two month sleeping period and BOUM this article comes. Real class. We are not at a carpet store: if there are those who envy carpet-selling techniques, they can open a carpet store. When the AfD is completed (and other admins have also noticed what is going on as well, so it will be closed pretty soon), you can be sure that there will be a report filed at ANI, and a probable RfC. Baristarim 07:13, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:AGF -- do you think any Greek cares about how Turks treat the Kurds? LOL; you're obviously distressed now, so if you would like to talk with me later after you've calmed down, feel free to. I created that article because I found the sources and thought it was notable - if you don't like it, you counter sources with other sources, not imagining a conspiracy theory. There is no cabal remember -- you must think pretty high of the Greek users if you think we have the brains to organize and plan this in advance! //Dirak 15:29, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Hmm. "I wont consider any changes until I see a similar change at Assyrian Genocide". Could this be an admission of the reason behind why you created the Kurdish Genocide article four days ago? You create this article, an RfC opens up.. Coincidence? Good thing that I got wind of the whole charade and it got deleted, otherwise you could have said "Assyrian and Kurdish Genocides". I didn't say there was something prepared in advance. I am kind of sure that this was not planned, but individuals generally like to spread their brilliant creations around. Kinda funny that many admins and nearly all non-Greek editors of the AfD think like me. Coincidence? Baristarim 15:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe your hysterical screaming (or should I say "HYSTERICAL SCREAMING") had something to do with it. Maybe you were successful in eliciting their pity that way? Who knows? :-) //Dirak 16:12, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Ha ha. Look Dirak, it is normal that some unorthodox stuff happens in Wikipedia, however it doesn't make sense to expect from others that they be blind. Unless you can answer my questions about the AfD, then my "assumptions" are the best guess out there. Can I ask you a question? What is this "urge" that some people have with editing Turkey-related, but not-Greece related articles? Are there twenty Turkish editors roaming in Macedonia pages? Whatever man. If the article's title was "Kurdish Genocide (Iran)", NONE of those editors would have even perused the AfD, let alone vote. It doesn't say stupid on my forehead, the only reason some people jumped there was because of the word "Turkey". I expect nothing less that a full house of Greek and Turkish editors in greek-turkish pages, however I wouldn't understand ten Pakistanis suddenly showing up in a Japanese-Chinese article either. Let's stop beating around the bush and the "Wiki is a global democratic blah blah": Most people edit articles that relate to themselves. I don't go to Macedonia article and POINT just to have some fun. That's the whole point: where is this URGE coming from? Baristarim 19:50, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
The issue here is WTF do you care about that article of mine for? I have seen you threatening to make a macedonian and an albanian genocide articles. I haven't heard of the macedonian one you speak of, but I have heard tales of an albanian one -- if you want to, feel free to start it. You have my blessings, and likely the blessings of every other greek editor. Do you wanna know why? Because we don't have the turkish obsession of whitewashing our history, we can face up to it (just like the germans). If you did start an albanian genocide article, greeks would likely gloat that they got away with it and let the article refute itself (because it would be likely be based on dubious sources - even more dubious than in my Kurdish article). If I were you, I would have just left the Kurdish article -- no one in their right minds would ever take it seriously the way I had left it! Why did you bother tiring yourself over it? //Dirak 10:27, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nonsense re redirects

As per this. Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Cat out 17:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm serious. Please refrain from wikistalking me - of all people I would have thought that you would know what it is like. //Dirak 19:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Gaming the system by creating spurious redirects against consensus and then wiki-lawyering against their deletion is not the best way to proceed. yandman 17:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Wrong. The article was renamed without following the proper procedures let alone with consensus. At the very least, the redirects (and the spelling variations thereof) remain. //Dirak 19:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, I really do suggest that you cut down on stalking. Looking for AfDs, CfDs and TfDs by checking into the contributions lists of others, friendly or not, constitues stalking and is disruptive. There is no way this can happen with a ten minute difference out of the blue [1] and [2]. If you keep this up, I will definitely be reporting this behavior. Baristarim 21:13, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
I was following Kekrops who was (likely) following Eupator who had just voted at the Pontus Genocide page. Report whatever you like... that edit has been at the top of my contribution table for the past few hours, so may Greeks will have seen it and also turned up (I haven't checked yet...). //Dirak 10:22, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
Such stalking, either of a "friendly" or "hostile" editor, is disruption. For someone new to Wikipedia it is understandable that they might want to find the things that others are interested in, but for experienced editors it is nothing but desperation and/or disruption.
So, why such a redirect? Why not to "Human Rights in Iraq"? :) Baristarim 19:47, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Disruptive my backside. I said at the RFD that it could be a dab page (for the genocide in Turkey, see X - for the genocide by Saddam, see Y...)- do I have to do everything around here?? //Dirak 20:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
"for the genocide in turkey"? Gees :) So, tell me about your childhood... :) Look, ask admins, such large-scale and continuous contribution list tracking of other editors is considered disruptive, doesn't matter what body part it is in. Baristarim 21:10, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Check

Got it, thanks :) - Francis Tyers · 20:16, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] National awakening of Macedonia

I guess it has been redirected here: National awakening of the ethnic Macedonians, right? Otherwise, it just automatically redirects to History of the Balkans. (VMRO 02:18, 24 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] AfD

The call for deleting an article does not mean a denial of anything I hope I did not give such an impression and I regret if such a notion came through. I have spoken local 'Slavic languages' in Greece with locals. In fact, I am trying to point out that one user is, in my observation, abusing a mute point by generating endless articles centred around it. Your own linguistic skill and the knowledge of so many others is better off without such constant 'provocations' by a user who seems determined to reply (if ever) in monosylabic and ironic phrases. There is no input. Secondly, I saw your questioning the recognition of the language by those countries. It is a mountainous task my friend to locate each individual treaty where such recognition took place. May I suggest in all humilty that you call the embassy and ask them? User:Politis

[edit] Yasou!

Would you be able to add the name in the Greek script for Gregorios Peristera / Gregorius Peristera in the Kuştul Monastery article? Thanks, Khoikhoi 10:22, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Cool, but what do "Μονή του Αγίου Γεωργίου του Περιστερεώτα" and "Μονή του Αγίου Γεωργίου του Περιστερά" mean? They seem so long... Khoikhoi 11:08, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The first means "Monastery of Saint George Peristereota", the second means "Monastery of Saint George Peristera". //Dirak 11:11, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah. What is the difference between the two words in Greek? Also, how would the names look if you eliminated the words "Monastery" and "Saint" from it? Khoikhoi 11:19, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Gregorios is Γρηγόριος, not Γεώργιος (Georgios). Was that a correction on your part, Δυρράχιε; ·ΚέκρωΨ· 12:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, search google for monasteries called Gregory in Pontus and Trabzon and see what you find. //Dirak 12:39, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Apparently a monastery with the same name has also been built in Greece because the one in Turkey cannot be used or something like that - do you not think it was a valid correction [3]. Nomizis oti i turkikes piyes to ipan sosta i aplos itheles na mu tin pis (ektos an vevea ine dio diaforetikes mones sto idio meros me paromia onomata ke ego ekana to lathos)? //Dirak 12:50, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

No, I was just going on Khoi's question to you. I must confess ignorance on ecclesiastical matters. ·ΚέκρωΨ· 13:01, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ερωτηση

Εχει μεταφραστει η βιβλος στα αρβανιτικα? Mitsos 15:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Has the Bible been translated into Arvanitika?

Ναι, και στα βλάχικα. //Dirak 15:26, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
Yes, also into Vlach.

Τωρα ερχεσαι στα λογια μου. Μπορει να σου φανει λιγο λιακοπουλιστικο αυτο, αλλα ο στοχος του σιωνιστοκρατουμενου συστηματος ειναι η παρακμη των λαων, με πρωτους τους λευκους λαους, που ειναι και οι ποιο δυνατοι. Η ανεργια και η φτωχεια ειναι τα λιγοτερα προβληματα της Ελλαδας κατα τη γνωμη μου. Πρωτα ειναι η εθνικη αλλοιωση μεσω της μεταναστευσης. Η εθνικη αλλοιωση ειναι και το τελος ενος λαου. Mitsos 15:56, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Now you come in my reasons. It can to you appear few λιακοπουλος this, other the objective of the Zionist held system is the decline of populations, with the first white populations, that are most strong. Unemployment and poverty are the less problems of Greece in my opinion. First is the national alteration via the immigration. The national alteration they is also the end of population.

— Hope you don't mind, the translations aren't great, but they give some context to the discussion. This is your talk page though, so feel free to wipe it. - Francis Tyers · 16:24, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Αυτά που γράφεις συνέχεια Μήτσο μου, είναι μεγάλες μαλακίες (με το συμπάθειο). Οι Έλληνες δεν είναι ούτε τσιουάουα ούτε ντόπερμαν, να έχουν ράτσα, είναι αυτοί που πιστεύουν στην ιδέα του Ελληνισμού. Και η ιδέα του Ελληνισμού λέει οτι πάνω από όλα είμαστε άνθρωποι και όχι ζώα. Είναι οτι πιστεύουμε στην ελευθερία και όχι στη σκλαβιά και το θάνατο. Είναι οτι όλοι οι άνθρωποι γεννιούται με καλή ψυχή και με ήθος και οτι η ζωή έχει αξία. Οι Έλληνες εκείνοι που πέτυχαν να γίνουν παντοκράτορες, όπως ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος και οι Βυζαντινοί Αυτοκράτορες, έπαιζαν στα δάκτυλα ακριβώς αυτές τις αρχές, χιλιάδες χρόνια πρίν από εμάς. Είχαν ανεξιθρησκεία, σεβόντουσαν τον πολιτισμό των άλλων λαών και υιοθετούσαν τα καλά τους. Τους θεωρούσαν ίσους και τους αγγάλιαζαν, αντί να τους διώχνουν και να τους σκοτώνουν (ώστε βέβαια να τους συσπειρώσουν). Έτσι τους αφομοίωναν και γίνονταν ακόμη δυνατότεροι. Αυτοί που τα σκάτωσαν ήταν αυτοί που είχαν τις Βαρβαρικές (=ανθελληνικές) αξίες που σε έχουν ποτίσει. Το ειρωνικό είναι οτι ένας πραγματικός εθνικιστής θα έβλεπε ξεκάθαρα οτι αυτός είναι ο μόνος δρόμος που οδηγεί στη δόξα, αντί για την καταστροφή. Είσαι σίγουρος οτι είσαι Έλληνας εθνικιστής? NikoSilver 23:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
The stuff you write all the time dear Mitso, are huge (pardon my French) malakies. Greeks are neither chihuahuas nor dobermans, to have a breed; they are those that believe in the idea of Hellenism. And the idea of Hellenism says that above all we are humans and not animals. It is that we believe in freedom and not in slavery and death. It is that all humans are born with a gentle soul and with ethics and that life is of great value. Those Greeks who managed to rule the world, such as Alexander the Great and the Byzantine emperors, mastered those exact values, thousands of years before us. They had freedom of religion, they respected other peoples' civilization and adopted whatever good from it. They regarded everyone equal and they embraced them, instead of pushing them aside and killing them (therefore uniting them). That's how they assimilated them and became even stronger. Those who fucked up were always the ones who had the Barbaric (=anti-Hellenic) values that posess you. What is ironic is that a true ethnicist would see clearly that this is the only way leading to glory, rather than destruction. Are you sure you are a Greek ethnicist? NikoSilver 23:28, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Ειμαι οντως Εθνικιστης, και οχι ελληναρας σαν και σενα (με το συμπαθειο). Προσπαθεις να μου πεις πως οι ανθρωποι δεν εχουν ρατσες οπως τα σκυλια? Αυτο που λες ειναι ανοητο (να το πω και ευγενικα). Αφου εχουν τα σκυλια ρατσες γιατι να μην εχουν και οι ανθρωποι? Ποια η διαφορα? Οταν λες "Ιδεα του Ελληνισμου" εννοεις τον ελληνικο Πολιτισμο, τις αρχαιες Αξιες και τα Ιδανικα του Ελληνισμου (εγω οταν λεω Ελληνισμος εννοω τον ελληνικο Λαο διαβασε τι εγραψα στο Nationality Quiz)? Εγω σου λεω πως ο ελληνικος Πολιτισμος προερχεται απο την ελληνικη Φυλη, το ελληνικο Αιμα, το DNA πως να στο πω??? Υπαρχουν διαφορετικοι πολιτισμοι επειδη οι λαοι διαφερουν βιολογικα. "Και η ιδέα του Ελληνισμού λέει οτι πάνω από όλα είμαστε άνθρωποι και όχι ζώα." Ποιος το ειπε αυτο μπορεις να μου πεις? Εννοειται πως ειμαστε ανθρωποι, και αρα ανωτεροι απο τα υπολοιπα ζωα (γιατι και οι ανθρωποι ζωα ειναι). "Είναι οτι πιστεύουμε στην ελευθερία και όχι στη σκλαβιά και το θάνατο. Είναι οτι όλοι οι άνθρωποι γεννιούται με καλή ψυχή και με ήθος και οτι η ζωή έχει αξία." Αυτο παλι ποιος το ειπε???? Που κολλαει η σκλαβια και ο θανατος? Εγω σου μιλαω για την πραγματικη ΕΛΕΥΘΕΡΙΑ του Λαου μας, ελευθερια που τωρα εχει χαθει. Οσο για την αξια της ανθρωπινης ζωης, ο ανθρωπος ειναι ταγμενος στο να υπηρετει το συνολο. Αυτο ισχυει και στα ζωα, που μαζευονται σε αγελες, ποσο μαλλον στον ανθρωπο που ειναι "ζωον κοινωνικον". Ο Εθνικιστης ειναι αυτος που υποτασει τα προσωπικα παθη για το καλο του συνολου, το αντιθετο του ατομιστη. Και τελος παντων, περα απο τα κουλτουριαρικα, εμενα δεν μου αρεσει η κατασταση της Ελλαδας σημερα. Εαν εσενα δεν σε χαλαει και θες να ψηφιζεις ΝΔ και ΠΑΣΟΚ, προβλημα σου. "Οι Έλληνες εκείνοι που πέτυχαν να γίνουν παντοκράτορες, όπως ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος και οι Βυζαντινοί Αυτοκράτορες, έπαιζαν στα δάκτυλα ακριβώς αυτές τις αρχές, χιλιάδες χρόνια πρίν από εμάς. Είχαν ανεξιθρησκεία, σεβόντουσαν τον πολιτισμό των άλλων λαών και υιοθετούσαν τα καλά τους. Τους θεωρούσαν ίσους και τους αγγάλιαζαν, αντί να τους διώχνουν και να τους σκοτώνουν (ώστε βέβαια να τους συσπειρώσουν). Έτσι τους αφομοίωναν και γίνονταν ακόμη δυνατότεροι." Ε, τωρα αυτα ειναι μεγαλες μαλακειες, με ολη τη σημασια της λεξεως. Ο Μεγας Αλεξανδρος ηταν σφαγεας ητε σου αρεσει ητε οχι. Τοσους εσφαξε, Περσες και Ινδους, και ετσι εχτισε την αυτοκρατορια του. Οσο για τους Βυζαντινους, φανταζομαι ξερεις πως αυτος που οταν η αυτοκρατορια ειχει περιοριστει στην Μικρα Ασια, αυτος που ξαναπηρε ολα τα πρωην εδαφη της και διωρθωσε τα οικονομικα και κοινωνικα της προβληματα ηταν ο Βουλγαροκτονος ο οποιος εσφαξε 7,000 Βουλγαρους. Και εφου σου αρεσει να μιλας για "πραγματικους εθνικιστες", εσυ τι εχεις κανει για την πατριδα? Στις 31 Ιανουαριου θυμασαι οτι ειναι η επετειος των Ιμιων οπου 3 Ελληνες εχασαν την ζωη τους? Εγω νομιζω πως πραγματικοι Εθνικιστες ειναι αυτοι που επι 10 χρονια κατεβαινουν και διαδηλωνουν για τα Ιμια οταν οι Νεοελληνες βλεπουν τα καλλιστεια. Και τελος παρε ενα κειμενο για να μαθεις και τι πολιτικη ακολουθουσαν οι αρχαιοι ημων προγονοι [4]. Η πηγη δεν ειναι και πολυ ουδετερη, ομως θα δεις πως αυτα που λεει τα βασιζει καπου. Φιλικα PS: Ti shmainei "fuck babelfish"? Mitsos 10:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Fuck babelfish σημαίνει "άσε Francis, το μεταφράζω μόνος μου". Για τα υπόλοιπα, νομίζω οτι χρειάζεται να διαβάσεις πηγές που δείχνουν την άλλη άποψη. Παρεπιπτόντως ο Βουλγαροκτόνος ήταν μάλλον Αρμένιος (που σημαίνει για σένα οτι ήταν Βάρβαρος) για να μην αναφέρω οτι αυτοί που τύφλωσε και έσφαξε ήταν στρατιώτες που έκαναν ακριβώς αυτά που λές εσύ στους κατοίκους της Ελληνικής Χερσοννήσου, και ο Μέγας Αλέξανδρος ήταν Μακεδόνας (που σημαίνει για σένα οτι ήταν επίσης Βάρβαρος), για να μην αναφέρω οτι κι αυτός έσφαζε μόνον στρατιώτες και οτι κατηγορείτο από τους Έλληνες οτι παρα-είχε ασπαστεί τα Ανατολίτικα έθιμα... Επίσης, βάρβαροι ήταν ο Μιαούλης, ο Μπότσαρης, η Μπουμπουλίνα, ο Κουντουριώτης, και οι περισσότεροι ήρωες της επανάστασης (Αρβανίτες). Τέλος, βάρβαρος είναι και ο Κάρολος Παπούλιας (Αρωμάνος), που είναι τώρα πρόεδρος των Ελλήνων. Τελικά μάλλον μόνον εσύ κι εγώ μείναμε που δεν είμαστε Βάρβαροι... NikoSilver 12:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

O Βουλγαροστονος δεν ηταν Αρμενιος. Οσο για τον "Μεγα Αλεκο" (οπως τον αποκαλουν τα γνωστα-αγνωστα σκουπιδια) τι να σου πω... Δηλαδη πιστευεις πως οι Μακεδονες δεν ηταν Ελληνες σωστα? Η διαγωγη μου δεν μου επιτρεπει να σου απαντησω. Οι αρβανιτες (οπως ο Dirak) ειναι Ελληνες, αλλα ακομα και αν οι ριζες τους δεν ειναι ελληνικες (που ειναι) ειναι τοσους αιωνες στην Ελλαδα που εχουν πολυ ελληνικο αιμα μεσα τους (κανεις δεν ειναι 100% Ελληνας). Οσο για αυτο που λες πως ο Αλεξανδρος εσφαζε μονο στρατιωτες ειναι ψεμα. Για τους βλαχους ισχυει το ιδιο με τους αρβανιτες (οσο για τον προεδρο του νεοελληνικου κρατιδιου, καλυτερα να μην σου πω την αποψη μου). Να μην πω και οτι δεν μου απαντησες στα πιο πολλα απο αυτα που σου ειπα. Το αρθρο το διαβασες??? Αληθεια, μπορεις να διαψευσεις αυτα που λεει???? Και να απαντησω σε κατι αλλο:"Βαρβαρικές (=ανθελληνικές) αξίες που σε έχουν ποτίσει." Κανεις δεν με εχει ποτισει τιποτα. Η οικογενεια μου ειναι σχεδον ολοι αριστεροι, ο παππους μου μαλιστα πολεμησε με τον ΔΣΕ στον εμφυλιο! "ένας πραγματικός εθνικιστής θα έβλεπε ξεκάθαρα οτι αυτός είναι ο μόνος δρόμος που οδηγεί στη δόξα, αντί για την καταστροφή." Εδω μπαινει το ερωτημα: Την Δοξα ποιανου εννοεις??? Φανταζομαι εννοεις την Δοξα του Ελληνισμου. Τι σημαινει ομως αυτο??? Την δοξα ενος κρατους?? Την Δοξα μιας ιδεας?? Την δοξα ενος πολιτισμου?? Εγω επιθυμω την Δοξα του ελληνικου Εθνους, του ελληνικου Λαου, της ελληνικης Φυλης. Διοτι απο την Φυλη προερχεται ο Πολιτισμος και οι Αξιες. Δες τι εγραψα στο Nationality Quiz. Εκει εξηγω την εννοια του Εθνους, συμφωνα με μενα (οχι μονο εμενα, αυτες ειναι οι αποψεις επιστημονων, φιλοσοφων και ηγετων). Mitsos 13:07, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Copy from my talk to clear things out:

Αληθεια πιστευεις πως ο Μεγας Αλεξανδρος ηταν "Μακεδονας" και οχι Ελληνας??? Εχασα πασα ιδεα για σενα... Mitsos 13:11, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Εσύ το πιστεύεις αυτό. Εγώ λέω οτι ήταν Έλληνας επειδή αυτοχαρακτηριζόταν Έλληνας και είχε τις Ελληνικές αξίες και την Ελληνική παιδεία. Εσύ πιστεύεις οτι έχει διαφορά αν βγήκε από τα αρχίδια Ελληνομακεδόνα ή Οτιδηποτεμακεδόνα. Το μόνο σίγουρο, βέβαια, είναι οτι δεν βγήκε από τέτοιο Μακεδόνα. NikoSilver 16:14, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Probably continued in my talk (unfortunately)... NikoSilver 16:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Οι αρχαιοι μακεδονες ανηκαν στην ελληνικη Φυλη. Ηταν μαλιστα και συγγενεις με τους Δωριεις. Mitsos 11:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your edit to Vergina Sun

If I see you removing content from articles in retaliation for an image removed due to copyright concerns again, I will block you without further warning. Jkelly 20:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

See your talkpage. //Dirak 20:38, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I apologise for leaping to the wrong conclusion about your motivations. Clearly I misunderstood your edit summary. Nevertheless, if you have reason to believe that an image is copyright infringement, please follow the steps at Wikipedia:Copyright problems and, if you are going to remove the image from the article, do not remove sourced text in the same edit. It is important to keep copyvio cleanup and content disputes separate. In response to your request, I will continue to use administrator rollback in response to bad faith editing, which this, after seeing this, looked very much like. Rest assured it won't be used in a content dispute, and let me be clear I have no plans to involve myself in what looks very much like a content dispute. Jkelly 20:53, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Μονή του Αγίου Γεωργίου του Περιστερεώτα

Wow, thanks! :-) I have now expanded the article based on what you told me. Thanks again, Khoikhoi 10:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Regarding CE, this guy once told me that "the preference of the first major editor should be adhered to". This means that I win this time. ;-) Khoikhoi 11:27, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Damn :-( //Dirak 15:19, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Skopje Airport

Fixed. Khoikhoi 04:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page moves

What exactly are you doing? Prodego talk 22:40, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Just curious to see how long it would take to be reverted. //Dirak 22:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
It was reverted in less then a minute by a bot. Please don't do that to such a high visibility page (or at all), if I had not looked at your talk page, and instead just gone from the bot's report, you would have been indef blocked... Prodego talk 22:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
And look, now someone has. I'll unblock you in a second. Prodego talk 22:47, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Do you think you could also get this. //Dirak 22:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
I was right as you left the message. Prodego talk 22:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Disappearing?

Oh, come one, don't give us that again. ;-) You should know better by now... Fut.Perf. ☼ 12:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cough cough

By the way, you and Nikos also reverted the tags from the PGG article, btw. They are all in the article's history. So, keep that in mind... Baristarim 22:51, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

You know, you should try to chill. I don't know what's going on, but (personal attack removed).Baristarim 22:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

  • It's no secret. If removing tags is allowed, can I do it again? Remember, the PGG article has been through two polls and none of them endorse your proposal? Why don't you accept that your proposed edit has failed to meet consensus (like WP:VAND suggests). //Dirak 23:04, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
    • Right, funny thing is Wikipedia is not a democracy, and such polls are not worth the virtual ink they are written on. By the way, you might want to check WP:VAND again, content disputes are not vandalism. This edit of yours[[5], however, is, as attested by its revert by the VandalBot. Vandalism is inserting "fuck you" into an article. WP:VAND doesn't suggest anything relevant. Baristarim 23:33, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

See WP:CON. As for the BWB edit, if you had reverted me using the script I doubt I would have objected :) WP:VAND is very clear on the tag business (read it again). Being reverted by a vandalbot once when making an experiment (see discussion above) does not render everything I say worthless. Claiming so is one of these. //Dirak 23:58, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Ok, I will try to be more careful in the future. Cheers! Baristarim 15:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, Dirak, should't you be removing that ugly notice from your userpage? ;-) Fut.Perf. ☼ 10:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Move

Why are you moving the page? The AfD was closed as keep, and any further moves should be discussed in the talk page before the move. Baristarim 23:35, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

It has been discussed and the majority agree on the universal title. //Dirak 23:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
You could have been more civil, who is going to clean the mess you left behind? It would have been nice if there was a single "fact" you have added to the page, before you decide unilaterally on the title. I guess that is too much to ask. Thank you.OttomanReference 23:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

If I see you doing this [6] once more, on any page, I'll see to it that you're blocked real long. No fun. :-( Fut.Perf. ☼ 00:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your support

--Yannismarou 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
--Yannismarou 20:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

As you set out for Ithaka, hope the voyage is long
Knowledge is your destiny, but don't ever hurry the journey
May there be many summer mornings when
With what pleasure and joy, you come into harbors seen for the first time

Don't expect Ithaka to make you rich. Ithaka gave you the marvelous journey
And, if I, one of your fellow-travellers, can offer something
To make this journey of yours even more fascinating and enjoyable
This is my assistance with anything I can help.

[edit] Point

Can you stop POINTing, it looks really childish and immature pissing contest. The ethinicity issue was talked about in the talk pages - that is not an exhaustive list of all ethnicities, but only for the top 7 or 8 (Canada article only includes 8), there were already 8: Turks, Kurds, Circassians, Roma, Arabs, Greeks, Jews and Armenians - there is no need for the Albanians who definitely do not make up 5 million people. Baristarim 19:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

There are more Albanians in Turkey than Greeks or Jews, this is a fact [7]. Pse e përgënjeshtron? S'është gjenocidi i armenëve ;-) Dirak 19:23, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Note: they are not a legally recognized minority like the Greeks or Jews. And I know as a fact that they (the Muslim Çamë of Greece at least) left with the Turks during population exchanges at a time when religious and national identity coincided so you could say that any "ethnic substance" is doubtful. Dirak 19:27, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
Don't get me wrong, I am sure that there are Albanians, but again there is the problem with that national identity thing that you mentioned. The only thing is that I try to watch carefully that section to make sure that it doesn't get too long. In fact, personally I don't care which ethnicities are mentioned as long as it is not longer than 7-8. That's all - before the rewrite it was a list of nearly 20 ethnicities!! As for Cihan/Dunya, I left a note in the talk page. Dunya seems more modern Turkish, but I wonder if it is Cihan that should be so. Cheers! Baristarim 19:32, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
You kinda broke 3RR on PGG.. Just a heads up, I am not going to make a big deal out of it. :) Baristarim 21:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Kruja

Hey, I edited Kruja while I wasn't logged on. I was the one who removed Kruja's name versions in Italian, Greek, and Turkish. You said that there is a Greek minority in Kruja thus it is legitimate that the Greek version of the name remain there. Is there any proof that there is a Greek minority there? Aren't we going a little too far with this? 1. I haven't seen any ethnic Greeks in Kruja. 2. The city has been exclusively an Albanian stronghold. 3. The name of the city is authentic Albanian. 4. The English version of the name is taken from the Albanian version. I do not see a need for a name version in Italian, Greek, and Turkish. Yes they have their own version to suit their own languages, but let them use this version in their own languages within wikipedia. Since in English the name Kruje or Kruja is used, and since this happens to be an article in English that we're discussing, I do not see a need for other variations.

[edit] AfD nomination of Kurdish genocide

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[edit] Greater Slovenia

Take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Greater Slovenia (2nd nomination). Slovenians try to delete the article Greater Slovenia as if the concept never existed. Please participate in the discussion, the article has been thoroughly sourced. -- Imbris (talk) 20:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)