Talk:Dirk Nowitzki/Archive 1

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Picture

Is there anyone who has an picture which cold be added to the article? Perhaps someone could take a pic at the next Mavs game. 80.228.168.252 11:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Image:NowitzkiPortrait.JPG

Dirk Nowitzki Summer 2004 129.217.129.133 22:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps this image from the Dallas Mavericks Entry would be appropriate for this page.

Copyright tag must be added to the current photo. --Schadenfreude52 21:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Given a choice, we should always use free images rather than fair use. Borisblue 05:45, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Mismatches

Why did someone take away the mismatches Dirk creates and his past troubles with a smaller defender? It was a bit "fawny" yes, but it was necessary and just needed some streamlining -- and taking it all off because "it's your page" is reminiscent of a possessive 8-year-old girl.

And although Dirk did improve defensively, citing a game wherein he collected a large number of blocks is an ignorant and fallacious example. After all, he was more of a shotblocking machine in his previous seasons than this year -- so going by that logic, his defense has regressed given that his block numbers went down. I don't know if you wrote that but I'm surprised you're not taking any action on that paragraph.


I think the overall tone of your first paragraph is biased in favor of Nowitzki. I think Dirk's a great player but it seems a bit much, like something that would be in a media guide, and it's hyperbolic in spots ("mastery", "dead-eye", "impossible", "nightmare"). Also, I don't believe you've actually added any new ideas to the original content; you've only restated what was originally there. "Most unique big men" is horrible grammar, and it's also a subjective claim and should be appropriately cited. The 2nd paragraph smells like original research to me. Granted, one could say that about the whole section, but I think the original content is careful only to recap what has already been said in the article. For instance, he has already been established as a great shooter by his percentages mentioned in the previous section, which is a fairly simple claim that casual fans would be familiar with. Your statements about his playing style are pretty specific and should be backed up with a source. Simishag 05:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and I added a blurb there about the Nowitzki-Traylor deal being pre-arranged. I wonder if you'll take that off as well. Marikina 23:22, May 23, 2006

The NBA.com source looks ok to me, it says "pre-arranged." I don't know about "many fans consider most lopsided." It sounds pretty subjective. Simishag 05:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough in all points; I apologize. Except that I didn't put "many fans consider most lopsided". Marikina 08:54, May 24, 2006.

Hasselhoff

Is the Hasselhoff part really necessary? Don't you think that comment is stereotyping Germans? Dirk doesn't constantly think about Hasselhoff music just because he's German. (Mschonert 18:38, 26 May 2006 (UTC))

Thats interesting, I didn't know that Hasselhoff is or was a star in Germany and I live there. He sold records like dozens of other "stars", end of story. --83.135.171.84 15:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
And to add, there is a strong misbelief from Hasselhoff and most US citizens, that he had anything to do with reunification, he had absolutely nothing to do with it, but i dont want to blame ur superstition, so keep thinking that. lol --83.135.171.84 15:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
The German American David Hasselhoff is very well known as singer in germany, why is another question, but just like the popular Engelbert Humperdinck (singer) - with such a proud German name, we Germans just have to love them ... ;-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:57, 13 May 2007 (UTC).


NBA Record not true

Dirk did hold the NBA record for most Free Throws made during an NBA playoffs.

Until game 6 of the Finals when Dwayne Wade broke it. Wade finished with 207 free throws made. In the exact same number of games as Dirk, but with significantly more attempts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.117.157.66 (talk • contribs) 17:39, July 7, 2006

Military service

"Nowitzki was sporadically recruited by U.S. colleges as a teenager in Germany, and seriously considered attending Pennsylvania State University, but those plans were dashed when he was drafted into a civil service regiment of the German military, where he served from September 1, 1997 to June 30, 1998." --> This must be wrong. There doesn`t exist anything like a "civil service regiment of the German military". At the Age of 18/19, you are either drafted to military OR you choose to spend your time at some kind of Civil Service, but this takes place outside any form of military organization. --81.209.214.173 03:28, September 5, 2006

I ran a check and found that he actually did "normal" military service from September '97. Have tried to adjust things accordingly. --Ondundozonananandana
That is correct, Nowitzki served as a normal German soldier (Soldat) in the Bundeswehr, Boot Camp, sharpshooting and the rest. He served in a sportive company (Sportkompanie) and was able to play Basketball in Würzburg (DJK Würzburg), most points, most rebounds, and, because of Nowitzki, Würzburg climbed from the second national league to the Premier League (Erste Bundesliga). He left the Army after honorable discharge as "Obergefreiter" = corporal! Like every German, he can be called to duty at any time, to serve or refresh skills ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:47, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

West Germany

I see a need to change West Germany to Germany, like in most Articles. Technically, West Germany stopped existing when Germany was reunificated. Articles that refer to US cities do not use Conferated States... when giving the geographic location, just to clarify my case. It might even be considered offensive if used for citizens from either eastern or western parts of Germany. Some0body 15:09, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically, West Germany stopped existing when Germany was reunificated - Well, Nowitzki was born in 1978; BEFORE reunification, if you are talking "technically". And in regards to factual and accurate information being potentially offensive (in this case what possible offense could be derived, anyways?), if offense is taken, it is the reader's problem, not the article's. E.g. the Wikipedia article on Cannibalism is offensive to some people - shall we have it removed?--203.214.91.215 16:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I changed it to Germany. There's only one Würzburg. If there were two of them, like Frankfurt, i would agree with you. And the term West-Germany implies that there are still two german states, which is not true.--Ph4nky 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No, the term West Germany implies there was a state thusly named back in 1978, which is not untrue. --203.214.32.253 14:41, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I still don't agree with you. Look up other german personalities who were born in so called "West Germany". Most of the articles use the term "Germany" not "West Germany". But I suggest to change it to "West Germany, now Germany" like in the Detlef Schrempf article.--Ph4nky 19:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
Technically neither West Germany nor Germany are correct. Nowitzki was born in the Federal Republic of Germany, that incorporated the five new Bundesländer (states) after reunification (cf. here). So the country in which Würzburg lies never changed its name since 1978. It is only ever since reunification that people refer to the FRG as Germany since the opposing GDR doesn't exist any longer (see here "Since, the current 16-state Federal Republic of Germany is simply called Germany.". Therefore, there is no ambiguity in writing Germany as it nowadays only refers to the FRG - the country in which Nowitzki was born. --Jellotrees 09:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Hey, why did someone change it back? Don't turn this bit into an edit war - just read and check what I wrote above. I presume the person changing it is not from Germany. To every German it immediately catches the eye - there never was a country called 'West Germany'. That's like calling someone that was born in Florida prior to the incorporation of Alaksa in 1959, a person born in 'South Eastern North America'. (cf [1] "Western Germany (Westdeutschland) is mainly used today as a geographic term." So, as to the Florida guy - you would say USA, right?. So use FRG or for the reasons set out above: Germany. --Jellotrees


Um, right...

"Nowitzki has been quoted as saying,"Some day, I wish to be 1/300th as good as Steve Nash, who is certainly the greatest player in the history of basketball."

I have no idea if the quote is accurate, but even if it is: 1) It was clearly a joking comment made by Dirk about his good friend Nash. 2) What the hell is this doing in an article about Dirk Nowitzki? And in the first paragraph, no less? Are you kidding?

I'm unregistered, so normally, I'd just voice my complaints and let someone else decide what to do. But this is too idiotic. I'm taking it out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.56.168.144 (talk • contribs) 04:49, February 11, 2007

Dirk's last name?

Nowitzki sounds like a slavic surname. Could his father have been Polish or a Czech? Manic Hispanic 07:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

From 2001 until 2003 a politician named Gennadi Nowitzki was prime minister of Belarus. 87.168.92.74 06:10, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Nowitzki is a slavic surname. But in Germany are slavic surnames common. --195.243.248.124 14:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

My grandfather has theorized that Dirk's Grandfather was a Polish DP during the war, and never moved back to Poland after the war. I have no evidence for this, though, besides what he theorized. Just a possibility. I'm anxious to know the answer. Kirobaito 22:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)Kirobaito

As pointed out above slavic surnames are very common in Germany. No doubt he has some slavic ancestors but this may be many generations back. The borders between german speaking and slavic speaking countries have been very ill-defined in the past centuries and until fairly recently (WW2) did not coincide with the language divisions.193.109.51.162 08:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Nowitzki is SLAVIC although the surname derives from what we now know as "Germany" but was part of the slavic lands over 1000 years. Nowitzki is slav as as they get - sorry for the rest of you ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.140.106.9 (talk) 01:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC).

Again: Slavic names are very common in Germany. In fact the population of Germany has always been ethnically and culturally highly diverse - that was the reason why it historically took so long ( till 1990 ) to form a coherent German nation. --Sushi Leone 02:54, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Where did the page go?

Did anyone else notice that Dirk's entire page has been deleted? 75.32.83.41 04:42, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 MVP

"* Season MVP:2007" was added and then removed. This information is in the National Basketball Association Most Valuable Player Award article. I found and added an ESPN reference[1] there. Should it not be added and referenced in the Dirk Nowitzki article as well? — Athaenara 04:45, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

  1. ^ By Marc Stein. "Mavs' Nowitzki will receive MVP trophy next week", ESPN, May 11, 2007, 12:15 AM ET. 
Wait until the official announcement. Wikipedia is about verifiability first and foremost. --Madchester 13:46, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, it shouldn't be put on until it's official Z3u2 23:06, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

2007 NBA Most Valuable Player

He won the award, there should be a section about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.221.173 (talk • contribs) 20:52, May 11, 2007 (UTC)

Where is the mention of his chokejob against Golden State?

Where is the mention of that series now that you think about it? Manic Hispanic 02:11, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

This page is so flattering to Nowitzki even though it was widely mocked when he won the MVP after his playoff performance against Golden State (arguably the worst performance by a "superstar" in NBA History) and also makes no mention of his poor play in last years finals Uncle evil 01:12, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes Exactly, It reads like a fan page! Manic Hispanic 18:47, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Without Dirk the Mavs would have struggled to reach the playoffs the last four or five years. He was the one that the team relied on when it did not work perfectly, because he always played at least very good. The best proof for this is the playoff performance against Golden State. It was not just Dirk who did not reach his normal shape. Except Jason Terry, everybody in the team playrd sh**. And one could see that if Dirk was not there, the team cannot fill the gap. Maybe he could not cope with the pressure on him after playing such a great regular season. And one should not forget that if one knows how to beat Nowitzki, it is Don Nelson! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.133.249.219 (talk) 12:45, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

All concerns solved by the rewrite. Chensiyuan (talk) 14:59, 11 January 2008 (UTC)