Talk:Dirk Nowitzki

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[edit] List of career achievements by Dirk Nowitzki

Isn't this information already in this article? --ROGER DAVIES TALK 11:58, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

A remerge is a bad idea IMHO. Long lists are frowned upon in articles. This article would look horrible with the long long list remerged back in. —Onomatopoeia 13:08, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
If only there was some way to "hide" the information like how you can show/hide templates... that would be ideal. Chensiyuan (talk) 14:56, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bold rewrite

Happy new year folks, and I have done another bold rewrite to put this article near GA level. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It is now undergoing a peer review. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:04, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Link's here. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Too much detail of games

Way too much on every playoff series he's seemingly ever been involved in.

Also, at the beginning of the article it states that his father represented Finland in international handball competition; at the very bottom, it states that both his father and mother represented Germany in international handball. Could someone clarify this, one way or the other? Critic9328 (talk) 02:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Specific examples of excessive detail would be helpful. Chensiyuan (talk) 03:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
Jörg Werner Nowitzki is German, 100% sure. About the detail level, examples would be helpful. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 08:56, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GAC

Dirk is now a good article nominee, as seen above. Feedback is appreciated. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Y Done - now a GA!! --Shruti14 t c s 03:29, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA on hold

On first glance, this article looks very good, and it didn't disappoint. It could have been easy to pass it straightaway. However, I'm going to put it on hold with the following comments.

  • I'd like to see a pronounciation of his full name, not just the surname.
Done —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • per WP:DATE, his place of birth shouldn't be in the brackets at (born ...)
    • I think one of you two resolved this? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't link Gynamsium in Röntgen Gymnasium grammar school, and also reckon it should have captial G and S. Plus I can't find this fact anywhere in the main article.
    • unlinked. or should it be delinked. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:28, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Is there articles for Robert Garrett, Marvin Willoughby and Demond Greene? If so add wikilinks in the "Early years" section
    • Nope; there's one for Greene, but not the relevant Greene.
  • Is 36:4, 2:0, 0:2 are correct format? I prefer endashes, but if : is officially used then leave it as it is.
Yes, in Germany (!) the notation is 2:0, 1:1 and 0:2. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • "(back then, a victory gave 2:0 points and a loss 0:2)" Back then sounds so informal and slang. I would change this to (in 19xx, ...) or (until xxxx, ...)
Changed. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:44, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • Be aware of WP:MOSNUM#Numbers. See Exceptions: "Within a context or a list, style should be consistent" There are a few instances of numbers being inconsistent. I don't particularly agree with this exception and agree with the style adopted in this article. E.g. "he joined team captain Finley as only one of two Mavericks to play and start in all 82 games and had ten games in which he scored at least 30 points." Ought to be 10 not ten.
    • I'm also not particularly persuaded by this exception; one might adopt a wider view of "consistency" and argue that so long as every number <10 is spelled and vice versa (save for score lines), consistency is achieved. But this is not the place to quibble, and since this exception exists, I've changed from ten to 10. Sharp eyes though. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:40, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "Nowitzki only scored 11 points and was ejected after angrily kicking over a load of towels." Again I think a load of towels is informal. I'd changed to something along the line of pile of towels, though it depends how the towels were laid out, I suppose!
    • For this point I'd really have to leave it to Onomatopoeia. If Sauer used such language, then I suppose "load" can stay. Although I think Onomatopoeia won't quite care if it's changed to "pile", but I shan't preempt him. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • "as nba.com put it" again a bit informal. I prefer something like "according to nba.com"
    • rephrased; full sentence is now "After losing Game 6, Dallas won Game 7 convincingly and won the series even though Nowitzki struggled with his shooting.[nba ref]"
  • "In the 2006–07 NBA season, Nowitzki played his best regular season ever." I've no doubt this is correct, but it might be best to define how it was his best straight away and add a reference.
    • rephrased to "The 2006–07 NBA season was to be the one Nowitzki would be named the league's Most Valuable Player." (reference not inserted as it is provided earlier in the article)
  • "Nowitzki and his team suffered a debacle of historic proportions." This definitely needs a reference.
I thought it was redundant because it *was* the first time ever that a #8 seed knocked out the #1 seed in the NBA. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
      • If i were to object to this statement it'd be that the language is a little dramatic lol. Chensiyuan (talk) 15:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
        • I agree with Chensiyuan. Saying debacle, suggests the Mavericks lost because of their shortcomings, rather than Golden State being worthy winners. "Debacle of historic proportions" needs a reference. Peanut4 (talk) 22:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
          • Okay no more debacle; that statement was intended to be a preface of sorts I suppose, but if this goes beyond GA there'd probably be a gripe with the statement again and I think no meaning is lost with its removal. Chensiyuan (talk) 01:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
  • "In an ironic twist of fate, Nowitzki was named the NBA's Most Valuable Player a week after his embarrassing defeat." Ditto with the reference, particularly to embarrassing defeat.
  • Rephrased, it is an "historic defeat" (but embarassing also, but not WP-worthy). —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
  • "The 7–0 forward." I know this is what the source says, but according to the MOS, it ought to be "The 7ft forward"
    • As there are various heights mentioned in this article, I'd like to take a look at the specific branch of MOS. I can't quite find it though, would you mind providing a link? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Some of the personal life reads the same as early years.
    • Have deleted repeated information about his athletic family from the person life section. Specifically, I've shifted info about her sister to the "early years" section. Chensiyuan (talk) 13:52, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Do you have a reference for the "Books" section?
    • As in, to verify that the book is published? Chensiyuan (talk) 13:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Let me know when you've finished with everything. Happy editing. Peanut4 (talk) 22:09, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi we meet again; thanks for taking time to review this, I've replied to some of your comments, but I'd let the principal editor of this article reply to most of the remaining ones. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi again. Great work so far. Peanut4 (talk) 23:50, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
Hi there Peanut, as the main editor I applaud your evaluations. I added a few things, and if there is anything left, just poke Chensiyuan or me. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 11:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wording

After reading through the article, I realized that much of the article could be greatly improved with simple minor wording, grammar, and sentence structure changes, and I have begun to make some of these changes. If you like, please comment on them and suggest/make your own. --Shruti14 t c s 17:43, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Copyediting appreciated =) Chensiyuan (talk) 23:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] GA Pass

The article was close to GA Pass when I came across it. Improvements have been made to MOS, grammar, and remove any slight POV. To be honest, I doubt it's far off a push for FAC, and I'd suggest getting a Peer Review, particularly among other Basketball editors, to see what improvements could be made.


GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
    a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

Well done. Peanut4 (talk) 23:13, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks once again for reviewing - and passing this. I'm sure Onomatopoeia would be interested in taking this article up the next level too. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:46, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for reviewing. I'd love to help bring this article to the next level as well. --Shruti14 t c s 03:03, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
Woohoo!! Thanks for the thorough review. With FAC, I would first incorporate the suggestions from the peer review (see above) and then make the big jump. —Onomatopoeia (talk) 12:37, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A bit scary...

A bit scary... I know. Should it be included in the article, though? The DMN is a trusted respective source, but this is speculative. It currently isn't included, but should it? Basketball110 My story/Tell me yours 23:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

My take is that generally no for trade speculation. But I mean if there are enough signs that point to a trade then maybe. Chensiyuan (talk) 23:32, 7 May 2008 (UTC)