Talk:Diogo Mainardi
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Are we sure that 'articulist' is a word? Monk Bretton 01:27, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)
- Very good question. I´ve just looked on dictionary.com, and, apparently, it is not. How do we call one who writes articles? Doidimais Brasil 04:35, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
I will use the word "pundit" instead of articulist, ok?--201.9.46.76 18:26, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Why not just "article writer"?? baator 02:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] NPOV
This article is more a criticism of Diogo Mainardi than a neutral biography. I have removed all references to him being a rightwinger, because this is not the case. Only because you criticise President Lula and his party doesn't mean one his a rightwinger. So this is prejudice and the guy who wrote this in the first place seems to hold a grudge against Mainardi, departing from Wikipedia's policies. --R.Sabbatini 16:48, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
If he's not a rightwinger, then he is what? A neutral presentation of fact, when dealing with politically active figures, does not preclude stating their political ideologies.
Mainardi isn't a rightwinger, he will slam just about anyone he considers deserving, regardless of political orientation. It just happens that the Brazilian left has more proeminence than the right. --Paraiba 06:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
He is of course a rightwinger. Anyone who writes, and prints, that there are more Blacks than Whites in jail simply because Blacks commit more crimes than whites is a rightwinger.
What he is certainly not, is a writer. By the criterium used in his case, anyone who signs a column in a Brazilian newspaper would be a writer, which isn't the case.
Donadio (talk) 02:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
About Fidel Castro:
"É mais uma figura grotesca que some da nossa frente." (More a grotesque character that wanes from our presence.)
About Hugo Chávez and Christina Kirchner:
"A melhor história de natal é a da maleta com 800 000 dólares que os três reis magos de Hugo Chávez teriam levado à estrebaria da campanha presidencial argentina de Cristina Kirchner." (The best Christmas tale is that of the suitcase with US$ 800,000 that the three wizard kings from Hugo Chávez would have brought to Cristina Kirchner's presidential campaign)
About Geography classes in nowadays Brazil:
"Professor de geografia entra em sala de aula hoje para fazer proselitismo ideológico." (Geography teachers now go into classrooms to make ideological proselitism.)
About leftists in general:
"Só há um tipo pior do que o esquerdista sem princípios – é o esquerdista com princípios." (There is only one kind [of people] worse than leftists with no principles - the leftists with principles.)
About Margaret Thatcher:
"Eu era estudante de economia em Londres. Margareth Thatcher mandou fechar 20 minas de carvão e despedir cerca de 20 mil trabalhadores. Thatcher, a filha do dono de uma mercearia, raciocinou como a filha do dono de uma mercearia e, com isso, revolucionou nossa sociedade, resgatando as idéias do maior pensador econômico de todos os tempos, Adam Smith." I was an Economics student in London. Margaret Thatcher closed 20 coal mines and fired 20,000 workers. Thatcher, the daughter of a shop owner, reasoned like the daughter of a shop owner, and, with that, revolutionised our society, rescuing the ideas of the greatest economic thinker of all times, Adam Smith.)
About Che Guevara:
"porco fedorento Che Guevara" (stinky pig Che Guevara)
About Brazil:
"Sei que o Brasil fracassará independente de minha torcida." (I know Brazil will fail, regardless of my rooting for it.)
Those are just some the pearls currently in his podcast. Do these count as "sources"?
You are right, the man is no rightwinger. He is a drooling rightwinger.
Donadio (talk) 02:42, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Yesterday I added a quote by the Mainardi; today, to my surprise, I saw it was removed. I have placed it there again, with the source for it (which is, of course, Mainardi himself). I am tempted to remove all the other quotes, for none of them is sourced; instead, I am doing what the person who undid my edit should have done: asking for sources here, in the talk.
If I was editing the article to be controversial, I would simply remove it from the category of "Brazilian writers". He is not a writer, or, at least, not a writer who deserves an article in an encyclopaedia. He wrote four fictional books, all of which were sound editorial and critical failures; he wrote two screenplays, both of which were complete failures. He then wrote two non-fictional books, consisting of heavy-handed political criticism of the incumbent Brazilian president, with no signs of originality, skillful writing or any other quality usually required from "writers". Those were commercial successes, not because he writes well, but because his subject is controversial. It is an insult to Machado de Assis, Drummond, Cecília, Scliar, Monteiro Lobato, Clarice, etc., to be put in the same category as this insignificant journalist.
Donadio (talk) 13:07, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I removed the quote because it does not conform to the guidelines for sourcing material in WP:RS. Once it uses a reliable source and is properly cited, I'll be glad to add it back.--Dali-Llama (talk) 18:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and corrected the source. Please read the guidelines I've mentioned for future use.--Dali-Llama (talk) 19:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
None of the other quotes in the article is sourced. So why the different treatment to the quote I provided? Donadio (talk) 22:01, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- Quite simple, actually--I remember reading the Nintendo quote in one of his op-eds, and the others I felt were harmless and general in their viewpoint. Your quote is a very strong, directed statement, so I felt it needed a source (which you promptly provided). I did not add the other quotes, and in fact, they may be removed at any time as they do lack a source right now. See WP:BLP--kind of gives you an idea of why strong, potentially derogatory attribution of facts or words deserve this type of prompt response.--Dali-Llama (talk) 22:19, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
I don't see anything derogatory there (at least, not anything derogatory to Mainardi). He is a rightwinger, he does not like leftists, he does not like leftwing political positions, he makes a point of saying so repeatedly in his writings, whenever he has a chance. It is only derogatory if you think "rightwinger" is an insult. To Mainardi, it certainly isn't; on the contrary, I am certain that, to him, "leftwinger" would be derogatory. Donadio (talk) 22:28, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
- It's Mainardi levying an apparent insult at a particular group or philosophy. Who it's levied at does not matter. That's under WP:BLP.--Dali-Llama (talk) 14:45, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
I see. Well, this is quite characteristic of Mainardi: he is insulting, and he likes to insult. As it can be seen by the title of his latest book: Lula é Minha Anta. Donadio (talk) 15:00, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
- And that's absolutely fine, as long as we can source those insults. Including a quote where Mainardi says he loves to ski, for example, is relatively harmless--including a quote where he is ostensibly insulting someone else can be included, but has a much higher degree of scrutiny (verifiability) involved. I hope I've made the distinction clear.--Dali-Llama (talk) 15:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Paske
I agree with that.. Diogo Mainardi is some kind of apolitical person.. they have already claimed he opposed to any politician
[edit] Racional
Indeed very insidious. This article made me sick. It is not the work of amateurs but someone with a stake in the current PT government [Note: Not sure how this can be determined by reading the original text]. Anybody with some education and knowledge about Mainardi's polemical column will notice the insidious usage of comparisons (some think... others think...) in the so called article. The use of the term right-winger also reveals the author's intention. Watch out Mainardi, they are in the web to catch you!
[Note: I made several adjustments due to the number of English/Portuguese translation errors. The original was obviously written by a Brazilian Portuguese speaker and contained a few mistakes very common in non-fluent non-native English speakers]
[edit] Plus
"here are others who say that his work, relying mostly on pastiche, quotes and a somewhat anti-intellectual stance, is only a limitedly successfull attempt at mimicking American writer Gore Vidal's style as shown in his more satyrical novels, specially Myra Breckinridge and Duluth."
who says this? no links to sources. this should be removed. Doidimais Brasil 03:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC).
Dear Doidimais: Try back issues of _Veja_, for instance, somewhere around the mid-1980s, during Vidal's lecturing tour in Brazil to promote _Duluth_, and you will undoubtely find an article by your idol flauting himself as Mr.Vidal's best friend...That Mainardi's style is a pastiche of Vidal's more "outrageous" novels is obvious to anyone who has read _Duluth_. Unfortunately, since you are reacting in hostile faction to any presentation of actual fact in your hero's biography, I regret to say that eventually this article shall end by presenting something that could be very exquisite in literary terms, but is an utter impossiblily in plain encyclopaedic ones: a hero with _no_ biography at all.
Dear anonymous person: "back issues of _Veja_, for instance, somewhere around the mid-1980s" are in no way a source. A source needs an actual link or reference (so and so issue, page number). "Obvious to anyone who has read Duluth" is also not good enough for Wikipedia, since an encyclopedia pressuposes the user does not know everything on the subject. I don´t think users should be required to read Duluth to read an article about a Brazilian article writer. You should check Wikipedia's "no original research" policy.
You have said I am reacting in a hostile faction. I did not edit the article, but merely asked for sources. It's not reasonable to call this "hostile". Warm regards Doidimais Brasil 02:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC) Plus, he likes dildos. really. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.61.110.216 (talk) 01:32, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Briso
Diogo Mainardi´s full name is Diogo Briso Mainardi. Source: http://conjur.estadao.com.br/static/text/45378,1 . Doidimais Brasil 01:42, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Peacock
I added the peacock tag because of, well...
- "Diogo Briso Mainardi (born September 22, 1962) is an Brazilian writer, publicist and TV commentator, mainly known for his short, impactful, ironic articles in Brazil's best-selling, weekly newsmagazine, Veja."
- "Mainardi is a controversial character." A.Z. 03:46, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Fixed.--Dali-Llama 19:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks. A.Z. 01:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
