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[edit] Jaffna kingdom

Thank you very much for your effort, I will work on them all. Now I know how your Karnataka team is going from strength to strength. You have a team but on our side, if one comes with a good article somebody wants to bring it down unfortunately. Thanks again for the inspiration and the support Taprobanus (talk) 03:30, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Now you tell me :) I am done but anyway, I will eventually reduce it as it becomes stable over a period of time. I also want to find more RS citations (still waiting on books from home) Thansk for keeping an eye, I will moving on to the next tasks Taprobanus (talk) 18:53, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
You let the cat out of the bag, "FA status" now people going to be all over me :(( Just kidding Taprobanus (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks Dinesh, I am going to take a break now (my wife is complaining:( )I will look it over on Friday. Taprobanus (talk) 01:57, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
Looks good, just tweaked it a little bit, all your clarify tags really helps to bring the information out 01:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taprobanus (talk • contribs)
Working on Aryacakravarti dynasty article and will get back to Jaffna Kingdom as soon as possible. Thanks Taprobanus (talk) 03:43, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] comparing my images

[edit] Spelling variations

Per our recent discussion on Talk:Hoysala architecture, here is a list of potential spelling inconsistencies in the first FA on your list Chalukya dynasty. I have attempted to eliminate variations which appear valid in the article's context, but may have missed one or more.

  • Ranaranga <-> Ranaraga
  • Vijayanaka <-> Vijayanka
  • Natyasastra <-> Natyashastra
  • Harithiputhras <-> Harithiputras
  • Satyashraya <-> Satyasraya (it's a bit hard to tell from context whether this is the same thing or not)
  • Vikramanakadeva <-> Vikramankadeva, and relatedly,
  • Vikramankadeva Charita <-> Vikramanakadevacharita <-> Vikramanakadevacharitam

Good luck in figuring out what needs to be changed to which. Michael Devore 23:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rashtrakuta Dynasty spelling

After all your hard work, only the Chalukya dynasty spelling list is left to do, so here is another list to choose as an alternate.

  • Rashtrakutas and Rastrakutas, similarly,
  • Rashtrakuta and Rastrakuta (empire)
  • Prathihara and Pratiharas
  • (Ibn) Khurdadba and Kurdadba
  • Rashtraudha and Rastraudha (dynasty) [second spelling is in a book title, so both might be correct for the article]
  • Kailasanath and Kailasanatha (Temple )
  • Arikeseri and Arikesari (can't tell if they should be the same, I think they are different people but possibly of the same lineage).
  • Begumra and Bagumra (one is in reference to plates, the other in reference to records, so this might be correct)
  • Torkhede and Tarkhede (inscriptions of Govinda III )

Not many on your FA list to check after this one. Michael Devore (talk) 01:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC

[edit] Just got discouraged

Dear Dinesh: Just got discouraged. Will stay available to you and your Indian colleagues, but hope to cut back a bit on what is becoming an addiction. Writtenright (talk) 09:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Writtenright

[edit] Mysore is FA

Mysore has been promoted to FA status. Thanks for your support in its FAC -- ¿Amar៛Talk to me/My edits 04:20, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture

There seems to be some objections about the grammar of the article. I suggest aproach the League of Copyeditors.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 07:37, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, you are doing a great job with Western Chalukya architecture. And this time nothing can stop it from being a FA.--Redtigerxyz (talk) 10:49, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture

If you are still interested in a copyeditor with experience bringing several articles to Featured and Good status, one editor I do know with that experience is User:Finetooth. I have seen him or her take the final copyedits on a FAC right up to the point of a passed review, making changes on the level of sentence structure and content (beyond the corrective style editing that I do, which is rather a different sort of thing). I don't know if Finetooth is busy or would look it over, but it couldn't hurt to ask at User_talk:Finetooth. I do see you have a request at the League of Copyeditors, but that can sometimes take a while and not sure if they all have professional-level experience (not that professional experience is necessarily required here). -- Michael Devore (talk) 15:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture #2

Hello, I did a modest rework of your first paragraph to make it read better (to me), while keeping your original sentence content to match the references. I didn't know what the references say and was therefore conservative in changing things around so as not to make the refs invalid. I'll try to get to the second through nth paragraph as time allows, but it's rather slow going given my unfamiliarity with the subject matter.

Clearly there is still room for improvement, so I won't be putting any scheduled League copyeditors out of work here. Revert if you don't like the changes, my feelings will survive intact. -- Michael Devore (talk) 12:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I was rather more aggressive in reworking paragraph 3 to get a better read, but I think it retains your meaning. Michael Devore (talk) 17:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
As Western Chalukya architecture is now edited by Finetooth, I won't be making further changes to the article except on the unlikely chance I clearly see a problem. -- Michael Devore (talk) 14:56, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Seasons greetings

Thank you. I hope you are doing well also.Bakaman 03:58, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks and Merry Christmas and an advance Happy New Year to u and ur family, happy holidays. Amartyabag TALK2ME 16:47, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wish you a great year

Thanks for the barnstar, Dinesh. the map you want sounds quite simple, just pass over the source. i've been a bit inactive over the last few months, this should get me in the mood again :) -- PlaneMad|YakYak 17:39, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Carnatic music

He has not edited in a few days, so I will let it go for now. If he continues with the same disruptive editing, then I will leave him a message. Happy New Year to you also! :) Nishkid64 (talk) 19:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re: Greetings

Thanks for the wishes, Dinesh. Wish you a great new year too. Waiting to see many more FAs from you. :-) -- Sundar \talk \contribs 10:07, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Likewise thank you for your lovely greeting! I wish you to have an even productive year in 2008, boht on Wikipedia and off it. GizzaDiscuss © 23:47, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Hello Dineshkannambadi, I hope you had a pleasant New Year's Day, and that 2008 brings further success, health and happiness! ~ Blnguyen (bananabucket) 07:27, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Temple architecture and elephants

Hi Dinesh and Happy New Year! I was watching this amazing documentary on youtube about temples, and was wondering if some of the things about how these granite temples were built could be included in historical architecture articles. Obviously, you are the most resourceful editor who could look at it. Thanks, deeptrivia (talk) 05:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:32-pointed interrupted stellate floorplan.jpg)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Square floorplan with five projections.jpg)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:16-pointed uninterrupted stellate plan of Trimurti Temple in Savadi Gadag district.jpg)

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[edit] Orphaned non-free image (Image:Stepped Diamond floorplan of Dattatreya Temple at Chattarki in Gulbarga district.jpg)

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[edit] Western Chalukya architecture

No problem :) Papa November (talk) 14:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's just a bug in MetsBot and it's nothing to worry about. The error message is actually on the Wikipedia copy, not on Commons. If you're happy for the image to be on Commons, I'll go ahead and remove the duplicated image. Cheers, Papa November (talk) 16:33, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
The server cache just needs refreshing - the version in the article should look OK already. Sometimes it takes a couple of days to look correct on the image description page. There's no need to upload a new version. Papa November (talk) 19:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Better and better

Hi Dinesh, Western Chalukya architecture is getting better and better, and I'm glad you were not discouraged for long. The new graphics and explanations of key terms will certainly help to clarify things for people who know little about architecture and little about southern India. I'm sorry that I entered into the FAC debate; I did not feel at all comfortable in that hot kitchen. I am interested mainly in improving the encyclopedia, and I can see that that is your main interest as well. The Western Chalukya article is fascinating, which perhaps I did not say before. Best wishes with the article and with future articles. Finetooth (talk) 21:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for inviting me to take a look at Western Chalukya architecture. If I had spotted it before I may have got involved in the FAC. You have obviously done a great deal of work on this and had a bruising time in the FA review. It is a topic I know nothing about - which makes it interesting, but also because I am unfamiliar with many of the terms makes reading the article complex - which may be true for other reviewers. I was torn between the architecture and the religion, and although both are obviously linked, may put off those more specifically interested in the buildings and the techniques used than the different deities. Is there are overview article of the religious aspect which could be linked to from the article for those requiring further information? Personally I would move the table listing "famous temples" to a separate article(& watch out for terms such as "famous" as they may fail WP:NPOV). I wish you luck with further development of the article and if I see it resubmitted for FA I will look at it again more closely.— Rod talk 15:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
A good summary of my thoughts.— Rod talk 15:57, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Replied on my page, and there is a message there to for you from Raul! Giano (talk) 16:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC

Lurking at Giano's page as usual, I've made many adjustments to your text, but I was sorry to see that I hadn't completely fixed the snafus I caused in our edit conflict. You'll want to vet my edits, and I hope selectively revert to your text ,if I've created confusions or shifted the meaning. I haven't looked at the comments made over the article's FA status — often less than useful I find — so the following are quite independent suggestions:

  • You have three stories to tell: by typology, by chronological stylistic development, by region. Keep them separate, under clear descriptive headings more specific than "Evolution", each with its own brief introductory summation. Give a brief disambiguating definition of every term as it first comes up, set into a footnote if it would intrude on the flow of text. None of this is familiar territory to the average fairly well-informed reader (myself!).
  • You have a concise summary opening. Why not follow it with the historical and geographical setting, to orient the unfamiliar reader? Label the section with something obvious, like Historical and geographic setting".
  • You have three aspects of typology: give them their separate subheadings and discuss them completely before moving on. Indian mathematics and geometry do need to be mentioned in relation to floorplans.
  • You have a series of examples to offer, within the stylistic chronology. Ideally each one or each group should have its own paragraph, with a summary topic sentence.
  • Your illustrations should be integrated with the text. The relevant illustration might be flagged (illustration, right illustration, below left) in the text, just at the moment where the reader should stop and look. Text and relevant illustration should appear in the browser's window at the same time.
  • In overviews of broad architectural movements sometimes it's useful to parenthetically insert the clearest example — or rarely two — following statements (Siddhesvara Temple); this saves lots of repetitious "such as at the.." etc. (The teenagers who set themselves up to vet "FA"s may be unfamiliar with this convention, however, and decry it.) --Wetman (talk) 20:17, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I will look into each one carefully..Dineshkannambadi (talk) 20:26, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Map

Hi Dinesh, Based on the notable places listed in the WCA article, I have created this map (Western Chalukya Monuments.svg)‎ depicting the geographical locations of these places. Feel free to use this map wherever appropriate. -- Naveen (talk) 17:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Illuminated deities

"The vestibule receives even less light, making it necessary to have some form of artificial lighting day and night. This artificial source of light adds mystery to the image of the deity worshipped in the sanctum.[29]" This phrase seems to be bothering some people, could you check the reff and see if we can perhaps change "mystery" to something like drama and impact or emphasis - perhaps even go the whole way and say "mystical quality" -what exactly does the reference say? If we can just put "mystery" in specch marks that will do so long as the reff uses that term. I see the book was written in 1929 is the form of artificial lighting used in ancient times mentioned too - flaming torches etc? Giano (talk) 23:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

PS:I'm going to bed now so the page is all yours :-) Giano (talk) 23:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm sorry Dinesh, you will have to sort this [1] out yourself, I really don't want to ne involved in any more conflict just at the moment. Life is too short. I'm happy to help and advise you on getting this through FAC but (although the FAC page can be a tough place) I have never before seen comments like that on FAC - it is just not possible to assist in a collaberation under those circumstances. Giano (talk) 23:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


C'mon then lets get going you have not answered my question "could you check the reff and see if we can perhaps change "mystery" to something like drama and impact or emphasis" and where is the conclusion you promised me? It'll be fine and sail through - we'll laugh all the way to the bank with a page as good as this. Giano (talk) 19:29, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I'll echo Giano's thoughts. If "mystery" is mentioned in the book, you should be able to direct-quote it with a reference. See my thoughts on how this sentence should pan out in the FAC. AreJay (talk) 14:49, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
Mystery is mentioned in the book. I copied that statement in Giano's talk page in italics. I will add "in the opinion of some" as you suggest.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 14:52, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Which section?

Hi Dinesh, I'm back from my other pursuits. Which section would you like me to look at? The article has changed quite a bit since the last time I looked. Finetooth (talk) 19:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Done. The new section reads well, in my opinion. Nice ending. Finetooth (talk) 02:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Western Ganga

Just took a look. The article, as well as the images look good. I tested in both the browsers, and did not find any problems with the images' orientation, white spaces etc. Thanks - KNM Talk 02:29, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture

Hi Dinesh, I have been reading through this very informative article you have written and have made some minor fixes. Please review the changes I have made, to make sure that I have not introduced any content errors while trying to improve grammar or style! I have tried to leave edit summaries to explain my reasoning in most cases. I am on wikipedia only intermittently at present and so may be tardy in responding to any message you may have for me - but I hope to finish reviewing the article over the next couple of days. Regards. Abecedare (talk) 10:34, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

You are welcome. I made a few minor changes myself, where I felt necessary. For most part, your edits were okay. Thanks for your effort to improve the article.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 14:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bold

Hi Dinesh, I just took a look at WP:MoS and it says:

Italics are used sparingly to emphasize words in sentences (bolding is normally not used at all for this purpose). Generally, the more highlighting in an article, the less the effect of each instance.

So based on this, I would suggest, use boldface only for the article name (that too, the very first appearance in the lead), unless it is absolutely required to use boldface. Hope this helps - KNM Talk 15:32, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] What language

Here Vashishtiputra_Satakarni from this there is a language caled Dravidian called out in the coin (reverse)Dravidian legend in the Brahmi script: "Arahanaku Vahitti makanaku Tiru Hatakaniko. Is it Kannada or Telugu ? Taprobanus (talk) 16:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

If we can get a an expert or an RS citation on the origin of this language, it will place Kannada or Telugu writing that much earlier Taprobanus (talk) 16:21, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
I think it is saying Arahanaku Vahitti is the son of Tiru Hatakaniko. Where Tiru is a translation of Sri or Siri ( it is still used in Tamil, I am pretty sure Hale Kannada must have had it early on too beacuse the codified and refined Centamil had considerable influence from languages or dialects used in present day Karnataka due to the Jaina/Buddhist connections in codifying that dialect as a standard. Now if we can figure out what language does Makanaku belongs Kannada or Telugu (Makan in Tamil is Son, so it may be Kannada ?) 16:28, 17 January 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Taprobanus (talk • contribs)
Tamil language is not Sankritized but it has borrowed words from Sanskrit. These loan words are classified seperately as "vadachol" (Northern Alphabets) they are written in Tamil Script and their usage is not seen in old epics of Chilappathikaaram or Sangam literature texts etc.., (example: ஹ(Ha), ஸ(Sa), ஷ(Sha), க்ஷ(ksha)). It is said that the Tamil culture during Sangam literature was an amalgum of both Dravidian and Aryan culture and "vadachol" (Northern Alphabets) is believed to be brought to dravidian language by Aryans. --Narendran (talk) 02:29, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
Citations to the contrary have been provided.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 03:17, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture -> FA

Hearty Congratulations, Dinesh!!
You deserve this much more than the previous times. Very well done and keep it up! Thanks! - KNM Talk 02:44, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much to all those who encouraged me, in so many ways.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 02:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations - great article, and great work in running the gauntlet of the FA process. ~ priyanath talk 04:17, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Congratulations, Dinesh. The rocky path ended in a good place. Finetooth (talk) 15:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Western Chalukya architecture

I must echo the congratulations on the Featured Article status for Western Chalukya architecture. You coordinated and participated in an amazing amount of effort there. Frankly, after the initial objections were made, I was doubtful the article could still get FA status. Yet you steadily and comprehensively addressed every serious objection I saw raised, either by finding expert editors or through your own work. A great job! -- Michael Devore (talk) 07:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Long overdue congratulations Dinsh. This is not just one of Wikipedia's most beautiful pages it is also one of the most informative. It does a tremendous amount to raise people's awareness of Indian culture and civilization. I hope you are very proud of yourself indeed. Wikipedia is lucky to have you. Giano (talk) 19:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Giano says it very beautifully. Congratulations yet again! Sarvagnya 00:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks Sarvagnya.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WCa

A small token of appreciation. Your efforts in improving the quality of WP's articles is inspiring. AreJay (talk) 19:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

The Barnstar of National Merit
For his tremendous contributions to Western Chalukya architecture and other Karnataka-related articles, I award Dineshkannambadi the Barnstar of National Merit. AreJay (talk) 19:52, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom decision pages

You may not have noticed the instructions, but pages where Arbitrators propose and discuss decisions between them are limited for editing to Arbitrators and Arbitration Committee Clerks only. Your edit has been reverted. Thanks, Avruchtalk 00:30, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not notice. Thanks for reverting.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 01:14, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
Dineshkannambadi, if you want to comment on an Arbitration case, there are other pages where you can freely do so. For commenting on a Proposed decision in the "IRC" case, the talkpage is probably the place you want. Bishonen | talk 01:51, 24 January 2008 (UTC).

[edit] Re:Images

Dinesh, Yes, I took this image at Saavira kambada basadi in Moodabidri. Amazing place. There was a renovation work which was going on when I was there, so could not get more images on the exterior. I have some more Images from Yedeyur, Sravanabelgola, Belur, Halebid and Udipi, which I will upload soon. I am almost done with the Hoysala monuments image and will upload it in a day or two. I will also try to get the other images. BTW, I see WCA has become an FA while I was away last week. Congratulations on writing this fantastic article. -- Naveen (talk) 06:11, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I am sure you can just walk into a Math and take pictures of the large wall portraits they normally have their. Same with Shankara Math in Shankarpura area. Sorry for imposing on you.thanks for the effort.Dineshkannambadi (talk) 13:43, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kannada literature

Dinesh, Sorry, but I'm not ready for another one. I don't know when I might be. Finetooth (talk) 15:59, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Poverty in India Image

Beggar in Bodhgaya
Beggar in Bodhgaya

There is a discussion going on regarding whether or not the following image should be a part of the Poverty in India page. Most Poverty in *Country* pages do not have any images, at most 1. User:Otolemur crassicaudatus has brought many images showing extreme poverty in India and has tried to mislead people into thinking this is the way a majority of poor Indians live. There is a vote in which your input would be appreciated. You can find this discussion here

I feel that the the Bodhgaya Beggar image does not represent poverty in India correctly because:

  • The beggar in Bodhgaya image does not accurately depict poor people in India because they do not look like this. This man is an exception. To say that this man represents all poor people in India is very wrong. A small minority of Indias poor are disabled. Most living under the poverty line work long hours fishing, farming or as construction workers. This picture shows a man whose legs have been broken. Unless a majority of India's or even a fraction of the poor have legs like this, the image is irrelevant and undue to the poverty in india page.
  • Poverty and Disability are not connected in any way. There are thousands of super rich people who are disabled.
  • There are 11 country articles on poverty
  • This user is being uncivil and unyielding. This user has tried to have my user page deleted because it said America is priceless!
  • This image is being used by User:Otolemur crassicaudatus to display his dislike of India and to mislead people into thinking that this is the plight of millions of poor Indians. This user has often added images showing extreme poverty to many India relating articles.[2] Even though this user knows that poverty is present in every country and that extreme poverty is not a fair representation of the Indian economy, this user has previously tried to add an image of children washing their clothes in a mud puddle to the economy section of the India page. This user has added this image to the poverty section of the Economy of India page, when a graph showing poverty would make more sense.
  • WP:Undue says:
We should not attempt to represent a dispute as if a view held by a small minority deserved as much attention as a majority view. Views that are held by a tiny minority should not be represented except in articles devoted to those views. To give undue weight to a significant-minority view, or to include a tiny-minority view, might be misleading as to the shape of the dispute.

This can be applied to this because a very tiny fraction of poor people in India are disabled. Most work very hard trying to make a living for themselves. This image is misleading. Nikkul (talk) 02:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Dineshkannambadi, in your talk page this user has made wild accusations on me. I will request you please read the relevant sections on Talk:Poverty in India to give you an inside in this user and to understand who is incivil. You please read the texts like these [3], [4], [5]. The Bodggaya beggar image is more appropriate than others because:

  • You may know, many beggars live a condition like this, many of them have various disabilities.

There is no "typical" definition of poverty, or beggar. There are abled beggar, disabled beggar. The purpose of the article is depicting poverty. The other beggar images which this user want to place deleting the Bodhgaya beggar image are not good quality, one is B&W, and the other depicting a beggar girl in Ladakh. But my objection here is that Ladakh is quite different from rest of the country because of its geographics. Majority Indians live in plain. And this Bodhgaya beggar image is showing poverty at its most extreme level. It is not right to conceal the situation of poor men like this, it is the truth, the reality. This image touches the heart of the reader, which is a real situation. Yes not all beggars are disabled, but is this an argument? On the other hand it also can be said that not all beggars are abled. Our job here is not to understand who is abled, or who is not. But to find a good image which is representative of many.

  • This user is repeatating his arguments and has taken a densive position by his ad hominem attack on me. Any one do not agree with him, here I am trying to depict poverty, and he is labelling me as Indophobic. There are other editors who honoured me for my contributions. The only reason given against this image that "since all beggars have not messed up legs, this image is undue". But it is an anti-individualistic argument. So what if not all beggars do not have messed up legs? The fact is that such secenes is a reality and it would not be right to conceal it. Such scenes exists, it is the truth. If it is reality, if such scenes exits, then an article depicting poverty i.e. "the condition of lacking full economic access to fundamental human needs such as food, shelter and safe drinking water", only those images should remain which clearly illustrate this fact.
  • This user has informed many partisan editors, like User:Bakasuprman about the image. This user also informed this to banned Hkelkar socks. I will also request you check this user's contributions. Please remember the article is not about India, but the article is about poverty. This article is not depicting India, depicting poverty in India. So such image is not deriding India, it is illustrating the poverty in India. This image, I think, will be very appropriate. I have told you why I am supporting the includsion of this image. Regards. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 06:34, 30 January 2008 (UTC)