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[edit] Honours

Deleting a few flakey 'honours'. Player of the month and stuff like that is not tangible honour. Next thing you know we'll have endless lists of 'player of the day' honours.--ClubOranje (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] NPOV

This article was tagged with NPOV in Dec 07, but no discussion here. Looks OK to me, apart from one small paragraph a little 'warm and cuddly' which is now removed. Removed NPOV tag. Feel free to put it bac kif you think it needs it, but tell us why here please --T (talk) 11:33, 19 January 2008 (UTC)


[edit] Fan talk

Ok, just because the guy has a good game it doesn't warrant a whole paragraph about it. What would happen if everyone did that with every player? I know it's inevitable that there will be supporters of clubs/players contributing biased information, but the following type of stuff is bollox.

As of February 21 2007 Berbatov has 15 goals in all competitions for Tottenham Hotspur. 4 days later, on February 24 2007 Berbatov put in his best performance of the season. During a blistering start for Tottenham, fellow striker Robbie Keane was sent off in the 34th minute whilst Tottenham were 3-0 up against a ragged looking Bolton side. Berbatov made the assist for the first goal and was integral in the second. However, his 'Man Of The Match' performance was awarded more for the way he brilliantly held the front line on post-34th minute on his own, resulting in Tottenham ending the match as 4-1 winners. His performance was a masterclass in holding up the ball and off-the-ball movement, especially as a lone striker.

So I've removed it. Johntinsley 23:40, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spurs

I see he's already here as a Tottenham player but is his move to Spurs finalized? I thought it was still pending a work permit being issued? --JamesTheNumberless 14:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I didn't know about the work permit issue. We should note that. Anyway, I see very little probability that he is denied a permit: he is a regular international and has worked in the EU for several years now.--Cryout 14:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
Very true, I had the same thoughts myself. Still, I thought it best to leave him off the Spurs team sheet until he officially joins on the 1st of July and just reflect that he is set to join Spurs on that date. --JamesTheNumberless 12:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
"Due to work permit regulations the transfer is to be completed on 1 July 2006." This can't be true. It has to be down to the transfer market being closed until this date, nothing to do with a work permit... Thnom 13:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
Correct, I think this section has become a little confused to I have changed it. --JamesTheNumberless 17:17, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Currency

Is there a Wikipedia policy on what currency to use? Here Tottenham pays in UK pounds, Leverkusen cares only about Euros and Dimitar Berbatov is actually Bulgarian and it is thus important to quote the transfer sum in Bulgarian leva. I would choose the leva, other would prefer other currencies. How is this decided? --Cryout 22:03, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Bulgaria will be a EU member, UK already a EU member. Here is the policy. Matthew hk 01:06, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
The actual currency which exchanged hands would have been Euros and As the transfer was between a German and an English club, the Leva doesn't enter anywhere into the equation. The Leverkusen page should show the amount he was sold for in Euros, the Tottenham page should show the amount he was bought for in pounds, the Berbatov page (except on the Bulgarian language version) should show the amount in Euros. Leva, if used at all, could only really appear on a page dealing with Bulgarian footballers or famous Bulgarians in general. It is also worth noting that USD and Euro are extremely useful currencies to give values in because firstly they are highly stable and secondly most people in countries with local currencies will have a good understanding of the current value of one or the other relative to their own currency. --JamesTheNumberless 10:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Completely agree with you. I'm bulgarian and I don't really care how much is his price in Bulgarian leva, in fact I haven't seen anywhere in the Bulgarian press the international transfer sums converted in our national currency, even if it involves a bulgarian player. Not to mention that the top clubs usually speak in euros even for tansfers within the Bulgarian football league. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.190.200.137 (talk) 16:38, 1 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Hotspur

Just replaced all instances of "Tottenham Hotspurs" with the correct name of the club. I realise that's how the team is known in much of central Europe but this is the English language Wikipedia and in one or two cases this was causing links to be broken. --JamesTheNumberless 10:15, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tottenham goals, domestic league

Why is Berbatov listed as having played 18 games and scored 9 goals on his infobox, for Tottenham? Isn't it supposed to be for DOMESTIC LEAGUE goals and appearances only? I am sure he has fewer than 9 league goals for Tottenham. -- Lowzeewee 14:20, 18 December 2006 (GMT+8)

Getting a bit silly now, it currently shows 19 golas in 25 games. However much I'd love this to be true, as a Spurs fan, this is blatantly wrong. If I'm not mistaken these figures are in fact his premiership appearances and his total overall goals. --JamesTheNumberless 17:22, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
It now says 38 goals in 29 games. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 60.224.220.236 (talk) 09:38, 1 May 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Pirin & Pirin 1922

Berbatov started his career in Pirin Blageovgrad with now is in "V" Amateur football group. There are currently three teams named Pirin Blagoevgrad - the original one (in who Berbatov started his career), the PFC Pirin 1922 Blagoevgrad (ex Makedonska Slava (Simitli) playing in "B PFG") and the Pirin 2001 Blagoevgrad (playing also in "V AFG"). Don't mistake them. -- Scroch 19 December 2006 (GMT+2)


== Trivia ==--T (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

"Has won many "Bulgarian Player of the Year" and "Journalists' Bulgarian Player of the Year" as well as "Fans' Bulgarian Player of the Year" awards." - is this really necessary to be pointed out, since those awards are listed in detail in the "Honours" section just above that? --89.190.200.137 20:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


In my opinion listing him as a Newcastle fan is irrelevant, the user called Bababoum clearly lists himself as a Newcastle United supporter on his profile and it's obvious that he is listing this purely for that reason. Are we going to go onto Scott Parker adn Stephen Carr's profiles and add that they were boyhood Tottenham Hotspur fans as well in this case? Are we going to go onto Micheal Owen's and list him as a Liverpool supporter? No because it is not relevant and I don't see the reason to put that within any footballer profile. 217.44.199.246 23:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Some people are interested to know who certain players support and in many other footballer articles on wikipedia, their team of preference has been given. I don't think there's any harm in stating in the trivia section who that player supports, as long as the claim is supported with a source. After all, isn't that the point of a trivia section - to include information that doesn't fit into the other sections of the article, but is still of interest and in this case lets us know more about the subject? Bababoum 12:10, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

First there is no direct quote in which he states he is a fan in that source - it is merely insinuated by a third party - and it does not state anywhere within that article that "he has supported Newcastle since a child" as you have suggested. Without a direct quote it is nothing more than an insinuation on the part of the article writer, the only quote that supports the sentance is him stating Shearer is a role model, unless you can find one where he himself states he is a Newcastle supporter it's then it remains unsubstantiated and can not be stated as fact.

It's from UEFA's official website after they interviewed Berbatov, so it is very reliable. Why would UEFA say he is a Newcastle fan if he didn't suggest he was? The article states 'Since then, Berbatov has been a Newcastle fan, and has made a point of trying to watch the Magpies, and Shearer in particular, whenever he can'. How else would they come to that conclusion without Berbatov actually telling them? There are even quotes from Berbatov in the article to support this - "I can still remember the great fans there" and "the fact they are in the second phase of the Champions League speaks volumes". Clearly showing his admiration for the club. Do you actually need a direct quote if the source itself is reliable enough? Bababoum 17:42, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
A direct quote would make it more than an unsubstantiated claim because it comes across as an assumption by the writer not Berbatov himself saying it, there are dozens of quotes from dozens of footballers and managers past and present talking about fans from other clubs and saying they enjoy watching clubs but it doesn't mean they are a fan although that could easily be stated as fact. Why is there any reason to put Newcastle and not AC Milan which is also suggested in the article, what's to say he hasn't moved alliegences since and taken a liking to someone else. I see no reliable suggestion that he is a supporter of Newcastle whatsoever, just because he says he likes Alan Shearer and therefore has watched Newcastle during Shearer's time there to watch how he players the writer has jumped to the conclusion that he is a fan but unless there is a definite quote from Berbatov to qualify this then it is unsubstantiated.

Was going to shift the "He is also said to have a Jack Russell named after his favourite film The Godfather." to the trivia section... but it already lists his favourite film as "Scarface" so I just deleted ti. It doesn't belong in the main text, as having a dog named after the Godfather doesn't make him notable.
--T (talk) 23:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

for some reason Wikipedia put this back in and attributed it to me - yet I never wrote it, only removed it (some time earlier). How bizzarre!--T (talk) 06:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nicknames

I think the amount of nicknames needs to be cut down, there's 8 there now and it seems to be everyone's pet name for him added rather than his nickname. The Devil With The Angels Face is the one he came to the club with and Berb or Berba are the ones the players seem to use for him so in my opinion it should be cut down to these three otherwise it will get out of hand. Thoughts? Mattgibbins 21:28, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. Things like "God" are just stupid. And the "Lazy Genius" is just a statement of the truth of the beginning of his career at Leverkusen. --Cryout 05:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Goals

I'm sure Berbatov scored more goals this season? Forza Getafe 10:53, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

The top right column is for league goals only, all competition goals are in the career stats part. Mattgibbins 15:21, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

That's league goals, 23 in all comps. By the way , listed as his favourite music - BLACK ? what exactly is black music ?