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Contents 1 TMNT Adventures 2 == 2.1 Arguments for galaxy 2.2 Dregg

[edit] TMNT Adventures

In the TMNT Adventures comic it is meant to be a galaxy, they mention this a few times including the letter section about how in the archie universe its a galaxy and in the cartoon a dimension. I guess the debate can still be had whether the cartoon version is a dimension or a galaxy but no need to use "evidence" fro the comic.

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Dimension X in the TMNT series must be a galaxy or a group of galaxies, not an alternate dimension, and I can explain how. I only have the Swedish dub, but it can't be a misstake because the word dimension in Swedish also is dimension but the word galaxy is galax.

1. When the Shredder opens the dimensional portal in the episode "Hot Rodding Teenagers from Dimension X", he says something about: "all weapons from the distant galaxies will belong to me". (Which also can mean that Dimension X is a group of galaxies, like the Local Group. (Local Group exists in reality and the Milky Way, our galaxy, is located in the Local Group).

That is not what the Shredder says. What he actually says is: “All those weapons, guns from beyond our universe, will be mine!”. In fact, later in the episode, April says, “Then, he’s going to bring them here and conquer our universe!”. This makes it quite clear that the writers, at least in the beginning, intended Dimension X to be, well, a dimension (universe). This should be reflected in the article. --David Regev 22:03, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

2. When the Shredder takes the crystal from the kids in the episode "It Came from Beneath the Sewers" and one kid asks him from where he came, he answers something about "-From Dimension X, in a distant galaxy" (He just says it, but he is from Japan).

3. When Krang tries to take energy in the episode "Super Hero for a Day", he says something about that they need power plants to, because of the distance. There is not a distance between alternate dimensions (Personally, I don't believe in alternate dimensions, but I accept the theories in fiction).

4. A better example is the Archie TMNT comics, in issue 12 ("The Lost World"), Krang, Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady go to Dimension X by spaceship (a dimensional portal is never seen) from the Earth and when they arrive, you can see Dimension X as a galaxy with spirals. Dimension X from outside can also be seen in this comics in issue 23 ("Search and Destroy") and issue 25 ("Raw Power").

Thanks for your insights. I decided to put both arguments (for dimension and for galaxy) in the article, so readers have all the facts and can make up their minds. Personally, I think it's just a blunder on the part of the writers, who couldn't tell a dimension and a galaxy apart ;) -- Ritchy 1 September 2005

[edit] Arguments for galaxy

I have some arguments for galaxy. I understood the concept/theory even if I was just in the third and fourth grade when the 1987 TMNT cartoon aired, but far from all kids did that. I think it is important that the writers know what they write about, especially when writing for children. I think that Dimension X was the most difficult TMNT-thing to understand for many children. Can someone please tell me if you understood it as a kid (not a teenager).

1. Dimension X can be just a name of a galaxy. Just because our galaxy is called Milky Way, it is not a "road covered with milk".

A better example: Greenland is not a very green island.

2. The dimensional portals in the TMNT series can be used everywhere if they work correct. Donatellos dimensional portal was used between dimensions when Usagai Yojimbo and Hokum Hare arrived, so the portals are also some kind of time machines. I remember one episode (forgot the name and much of the story) when the Technodrome was located in the Arctic Ocean, and Donatello said something about that he had "re-built his dimensional portal for travels on Earth.

3. Krang warned the Shredder for other dimensions also (the episode was Splinter no more). But he never said what Dimension X was.

4. Can you tell me in which episodes there is sound in space in Dimension X? It is true that "people" are seen without protective gear in Dimension X. But:

We don't know how big the atmosphere was around the asteroids and planets the Technodrome was located on. Even asteroids can have an own atmosphere. The "asteroid" where the Technodrome is during season 4 must have an own atmosphere, because it is a lake outside (impossible without atmosphere). There is no clear differences between asteroids and planets, astronomers define them. (An example in real life is 90377 Sedna).

Shredder ang Krang are in a spaceship in the episode The Foot soldiers are revolting. The space is red, but we never know how far away from the asteroid they were, or if that was just a misstake. (You can be without protective gear inside a spaceship).

The interstellar space (between the stars) is red in Dimension X in most episodes (But you can see dark skies in the episode Return of the Technodrome. I heard (but is not sure) on a TMNT site some year ago that Dimension X is a galaxy with a lot of oxygen even between the stars and planets (which can declare how living organisms can breath in space without spacesuit i Dimension X, like the neutrinos in their open flying cars.)

5. Stars exist in Dimension X. Stars can be seen in Dimension X during most of season 4 and the Vacation in Europe Episodes. In the Archie issue 12 ("The Lost World"), Cherubae (or Mary Bones) tells the turtles that the planet Hirobyls star (sun) is red because that star is aging and dying.

6. Finally: Many people say that if parallel dimension existed and living organisms could go there, they should be destroyed be the natural laws.

Another thing about this:

It looks like the inspirations to dimensional portals in the 1987 TMNT cartoon are from the portal in the Mirage comic (and 2003 cartoon) issue about Donatello and Kirby (the guy with a crystal on his pencil).

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I for one was always under the impression Dimension X was a parallel dimension, not a galaxy. That's what I always thought as a child, teen, and adult. I wasn't even aware of the controversy until it was pointed out here a few days ago. Also, I've never seen stars in Dimension X, although I've never seen the Vacation in Europe episodes, so I'll admit it's possible.

Asteroids cannot have an atmosphere, in the same sense planets have an atmosphere. It's not a question of classification, it's a question of mass. Asteroids are much smaller (less massive) than planets, and do not have the gravitational pull needed to hold any meaningful atmosphere. At best, an asteroid can have a millimetre or so of gaz accumulated on the surface - nothing any being can rely on to survive.

Regarding sound in space. For one thing, the Nutrinos fly around space in their open-roof convertable, and have no problem talking to each other. And since, like I said, asteroids do not have an atmosphere, then any scene where we see people talking outside the Technodrome while it is on the asteroid in Dimension X qualifies as sound in space.

The idea of a galaxy filled with breathable gaz is ridiculous, from a scientific point of view. Creating that much oxygen, nitrogen, and other heavy elements would take unbelievably long, and the mass of such a galaxy would be extreme. Then again, it wouldn't be the only scientific impossibility in this cartoon.

This is the first I hear of the idea that people would be instantly destroyed when they go in another dimension. It's certainly not part of any sci-fi series that features dimensional travel.

--Ritchy 2 September 2005

I added a comment to the Galaxy/Dimension controversy, but wanted to expand on it here. Dimension X is presumably another continuum parallel to normal space, with coordinates parallel to our coordinates. If you could transfer into Dimension X, walk one mile north, and then transfer back, you'd be one mile north of where you were before the transfer. So Krang's galaxy could be in Dimension X, but also be far away from Earth's coordinates (i.e. parallel to a very distant region of our universe): a straight transfer into Dimension X would still leave countless light years to travel between Earth's counterlocation in Dimension X and Krang's home galaxy.

That would make the portal in the Technodrome not only a dimensional gate, but also a teleporter. Without such a device, Shredder and company would indeed need a spaceship to travel to the other galaxy's physical coordinates, before then using another device to transfer over to Dimension X's plane. This would also explain why they sometimes refer to Dimension X as another universe, and other times as a distant spiral galaxy; it's a distant galaxy that's also in a parallel universe.

I grew up hooked on TMNT and at the time I just assumed Dimension X was another universe, because of the portals, the red space, and so on. I seriously doubt the writers ever meant for it to get this involved or complicated... but if the explanation works, go with it!

DF Ash, 9/08/05

[edit] Dregg

Someone keeps adding to the page that Dregg is from Dimension X. I've never seen anything about that before. Anyone got a source on that? Until it's sourced, I'm removing it. -- Ritchy 17:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)