Talk:Diet of Finland

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please check the book written by Osmo Jussila, Seppo Hentilä and Jukka Nevakivi (something like Finnish Political History 1809-2003 or like), where newer research results about the contemporary and juridical significance of Porvoo Diet. It seems that the author of this article has been overly influenced by "personal union" delusion...

One would rather say that the Finns have been so since, if not 1809, at least the 1820s. If that was a delusion or not is now of course an interesting question, but it was an important force behind the process that would ultimately lead to Finland's independence. /Tuomas 16:32, 1 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] The States or States-General?

In 1809 did Alexander I call the Finnish estates to assembly in the States (a subnational assembly) or in an States-General?

Finnish historians see the Diet of Porvoo in 1809 as the birth of the Finnish state and nation. Russians historians (as well as tsarist bureaucrats during the russification period) may see it differently.

The crucial question is whether Alexander called the assembly of the States or the States-General. This is the difference between a nation and a subnational entity.

Modern Finnish texts are of little guide on this issue. The Diet of Porvoo is in Finnish called "Porvoon valtiopäivät". The word valtio refers to a true "Westphalian state". However the word valtio was unknown in 1809. Contemporarily the assembly was called maapäivät. Was maapäivät a States or a States-General?

Petri Krohn 03:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Emperor" or "Tsar"?

The Russian emperors are usually left as "tsars" in English. Should this article be change to conform to that convention, or is it "emperor" to reflect a Finnish distinction?--Dub8lad1 13:31, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Russian tsars were indeed tsars but the Grand Duchy of Finland was never a part Russia. (Except for Old Finland.) The Grand Duchy was part of the Russian Empire and the tsar ruled Finland as the emperor. Petri Krohn 09:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)