Talk:Dien Bien Phu (film)

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[edit] move to (film)

I made the proposal that the title of the article should be moved (renamed) to Dîen Bîen Phu (film) because of the existing article Dien Bien Phu.--71.28.252.20 04:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Votes

  • Support place name should be primary 70.51.10.35 05:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support as nominator and per User:70.51.10.35--71.28.252.20 06:05, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Support move to Dîen Bîen Phu (film) note the lowercase f in film --Philip Baird Shearer 08:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
I will remember the lower case thanks.--71.28.252.20 01:34, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
And thanks for moving it.--71.28.252.20 01:35, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Discussion

  • There's a film, a battle, and a place with this name... 70.51.10.35 05:16, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

The article had been moved by a cut and past move by the original author of the article on the same day that it was created, I have moved the talk page to the same location. It seems to me that as the image include the funny foreign squiggles in the title the name of the article may as well do the same thing. However the name needs moving again to Dîen Bîen Phu (film) --Philip Baird Shearer 08:07, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Page history

Since its creation this page has been moved twice with cut and past moves. All the edits before the moves were made by user:EnthusiastFRANCE. Here is the full history:

--Philip Baird Shearer 15:47, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

  • moved to correct accent spelling: from "Dîen Bîen Phu" to "Diên Biên Phu" EnthusiastFRANCE 01:24, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wrong title

It looks like from the French release that the title of the film is Điện Biên Phú. This name is a a misspelling of Điện Biên Phủ, the correct name of the town. Either use Dien Bien Phu (film) or Điện Biên Phú. Diên Biên Phu (film) is an abomination of nature. DHN 04:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

"Diên Biên Phu (film)" is not an "abomination of nature" since "Diên Biên Phu" is both the name of the city and the movie in French. What is an abomination is the "Điện Biên Phú" title used on the movie's cover. You'll notice the Vietnamese "extra" accents are added in red as the movie is refered in France with the French spelling "Diên Biên Phu".
Thanks for pointing out the "Phủ" side accent difference I did not notice. "Phú" (used on the cover/poster) is a mistake and doesn't exist. I've used the english spelling wich is the easier and use the bizarre film-only "Phú" spelling as a "redirect" page. EnthusiastFRANCE 11:05, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Very long

Congrats to the editors for going indepth, but I think this is getting too long. Shouldn't much of it be trimmed and merged with Battle of Dien Bien Phu? heqs 09:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

I, the demiurge of this page (both text & caps), would like to truely thank all persons who have fixed my spelling/typo/date mistakes. Unfortunately I don't have enough time to complete this article which is not ended yet.
Please people try to complete it before, spliting or merging it with existing articles. I've posted source links.
This article was meant as an homage to the sacrifice of those, French Union fighters and American allies, who fought at Dien Bien Phu. I tried to tell the truth about this battle, but there are still missing parts like the extermination camps. Don't forget it! ...and watch the movie. "The sacrifice of life is an enormous sacrifice. There is only one that is even bigger, the sacrifice of honor."
EnthusiastFRANCE 14:14, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Irrelevant information?

Hi. Obviously, whoever has worked on this page has worked long and hard. However, there seems to be a huge amount of information completely irrelevant to the film... which should be the sole focus of this article. In an article, there should also never be "tbc" in place of text. I'll give a little time for discussion here, and then start trimming the page WAY down if there's no reasons given. Thanks. --Storkk 10:49, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I was searching for info on the First Indochina War and stumbled across this page. I think the amount of info is excellent. Someone who doesn't know much about the war is sure to find this page interesting. I bookmarked the page because of the detail of info given. I don't have to look at my Fall, Roy or Windrow books.
DBP is this important. This is the only film about DBP released in 10(?) years. A person curious about the movie will read and hopefully continue on with their search.Doc smith 09:01, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
While I agree that wikipedia must have a good and perhaps lengthy article about DBP (the battle), the article on the film is ridiculously long. --Storkk 09:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Most of the historical information should probably be moved to the article on the battle itself; only the fictional stuff about the movie itself should be here. --71.108.198.217 21:18, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I gathered that a Dakota in this context is an aircraft of some kind, but I hardly expected to learn this from reading an article about a film. Eoghanzer 05:48, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] don't make me laugh!

I created this article. Do you know how much time it took for me to gather and edit this article in a language that is not my native one? You have no idea how much work I've done here. Not one of you who are criticizing it, cutting it, removing pictures, trying to erase it slowly but surely, not one of you dared to work on it. So stop crying and do something or just be quiet. One of the reasons I've edited this article was to add historical and sourced infos that were censored and removed from the DBP battle article that is protected by pro-indochinese editors. I tried my best for the people who fought there in the ignorance and contempt of the world. But the soviet propaganda is not dead yet, these bicycles things are still trusted by many people who don't care about what really happened. So before mouthing this article is "ridiculous" try to follow my work and continue it with as much devotion and honestly I did. most of you are unable to follow my step, that's the reason why the "tbc" temps I used are still there months after I have stopped working on it. Not one of you has the guts to finish it. So don't make me laugh with your cries. Inthusiast 02:06, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The historical info doesn't belong in this article. It's a pile of irrelevant crud, as far as the FILM is concerned, so I've taken the liberty of chopping it out in a very heavy-handed fashion. A lot of the info about the battle is probably useful for the CORRECT article, which is Battle of Dien Bien Phu, and if that info is not already in the correct article, feel free to merge some of what I deleted over there. I can see you've done a lot of work, but I'm afraid you've put your work in the wrong place. Sorry to break the news to you. --82.45.163.18 13:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
the historical data I've gathered are actually part of the movie's background and some are part of the plot itself. this cannot be considered a regular movie but a docufiction. Since someone like you who comes out from nowhere is able to take "liberties" as an excuse to remove infos which are not welcome in the pro-communist battle article (there's not even a link to the movie's article), I took some too. I have created a backup of the full length article. It will save my work, the time I have spent on it and finally the truth that people like you try to bury. Dien Bien Phu (film) uncensored backup
Inthusiast 18:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
If you've got a problem with the Battle of Dien Bien Phu article, take whatever facts you've got over there and have this content dispute in the right place. I don't have an agenda regarding this article, other than I wanted to find out about this film, and came across your large pile of irrelevant listcruft. I don't know what agenda you're trying to push (calling the main article 'pro communist' is probably a hint) but take it elsewhere. --Aim Here 18:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Major Clean-up TO DO list

1) The docudrama section seems to be a biography of the director. Is this the movie's plot? Why is this important? It seems that this would be better placed on the director's own article page than here. If it is plot, then it needs to be combined with the preceeding section to unify it with the plot content.

2) I strongly suggest joining the cast of characters list and cast list together. It'll shorten the article significantly by cutting down duplication as well as make it look less cluttered.

3) Also, is the quotes section really necessary? This article is really long as it is and the quotes seem like mostly fluff with very little context in which to make them significant. --Lendorien 16:51, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] FU

you fucking bastards have removed all evidence of the us involvement. the sections, the external links everything! whatever. cleaning er? you fucking pigs. Shame On You 11:43, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

You are welcome to express your opinion, but please refrain from using inappropriate language and personal attacks. Please also assume good faith when interacting with other Wikipedians. As a responce to your complaint, this article is about a movie, not the battle itself, and thus reflects the content of the movie. References to US involvement may have been removed because they were not approriate for the context of this article, which is about a movie following a French man's experiances at the battle. --Lendorien 15:07, 9 May 2007 (UTC)