Talk:Die Meistersinger von Nürnberg/Comments

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B class (60 points). Background information, composition details etc. are good. More development should be possible, including:

  • Recent performance history
  • First lines in German of important passages in the synopsis
  • Some more illustrations
  • Starting a recordings section

-- Kleinzach 05:38, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Borderline Start/B (I gave it 58 points). Comments as per Kleinzach, plus:

  • No need to summarise synopsis in the lead
  • Synopsis needs some rewriting
  • Beckmesser section looks rather odd - needs to be better integrated
  • Historical inaccuracies section needs to be either improved and incorporated or dropped

--GuillaumeTell 17:21, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Start 51/100. Some good stuff here. Addressing the issues around notable numbers, recordings and illustrations should achieve B with relatively little effort. At that point, GA status becomes a consideration for which the lead section needs to be a proper summary of the article. (Unlike GT, I see nothing wrong with the synopsis being summarised there.) The referencing, particularly of opinions would also need improvement, and coyrighted pictures without a fair use justification are a definite no-no. Also GT's stylistic comments re the Beckmesser, historical inaccuracies sections become a consideration for GA reviewers. More detailed comments in the marking scheme.

  • Background/history of composition/discussion of plot and/or text, etc.: 12/15. Good but some of the information should be moved into the body of the article from the lead, which is meant to be a summary.
  • Performance history: 10/15. Good on early performances and association with Nazis, Wieland production, but material on last 50 years is important too.
  • Tabulated list of roles: 5/10. Contains everything I would want.
  • Synopsis: 8/10. Good but could do with a couple of slight tweaks, mentioning that Beckmesser fills his board (to parallel Sachs completing shoes), that Sachs himself had written a Tristan and that holy German Art would endure the fall of the Holy Roman Empire. Should also include identification of important passages.
  • Notable arias, etc: (preferably embedded in the synopsis): 0/5. The prelude, quintet, dance of the apprentices, entry of the mastersingers etc. should all get highlighted as important numbers.
  • Critical appreciation, discussion of music etc 7/15 Needs more discussion of the episodes of the music, probably more or modern views of the opera. And it doesn't usially last about 5 hours. All three recordings I have are less that 4 1/2. And typical intervals would take it closr to 6 hours, of the diration was meant to be inclusive.
  • Recordings: 0/10. Needs a discography.
  • Illustrations, including musical illustrations 2/10 The Bayreuth illustration lacks fair use justification. Could do with more pictures and sound illustrations to match what eventually appear in musical discussion
  • Inline references, notes, sources, external links 7/15. A decent start on referencing has been made. It's worth considering separating the links from the references and shifting to having the book/article names in the references and the notes just referencing author, date page in the notes.

--Peter cohen 11:51, 30 September 2007 (UTC)