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[edit] Formatting issues

As i say in my summary,

Piping away 'Di' is indeed the kind of exception the MoS provides for, & a pretty good idea. But Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Piping is quite explicit abt the rest.

(I.e., the parenthesis-qualified lks may not be piped.)

  • So the esthetic objections Smucky cites are inadmissable here; they could be raised at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages) as reasons for considering modification of the MoS.
  • Labels as "(slang)" constitute clutter but do not aid the navigation that is the purpose of Dabs, an MoS-based sufficient reason for dropping them. Further, there is no bright line as to where slang begins and ends, and on dabs brevity precludes finessing the nuances with qualifications. So "(slang)" labeling is likely to unnecessarily involve some pages in PoV conflicts. In turn, it is a matter of opinion whether a specif page needs the label excluded or is a case where that would be excessive caution, widening the scope of PoV conflicts to "secondary" cases. Arbitrarily saying "never on a Dab page" is harmless and thus is desirable for the clarity it provides, obviating both the primary and secondary conflicts. (The principle is appropriate, BTW, for single-line entries in lists (e.g. LoPbN) and for articles' lead 'graphs as well.) This is not AFAIK in MoS, but i will argue for including it unless finding it non-obvious turns out to be a fringe opinion.
  • There may, or not, be reason for completely excluding a "Dick's" (a question i for one am not interested in), but it is clear to me that its inclusion cannot be considered in the form asserted so far: "Dick" cannot mean "Dick's", so it could at most be considered for a "See also" section, as the MoS provides.

--Jerzy·t 2005 July 7 06:14 (UTC)

[edit] Don't add individuals

Please don't add individuals named Dick (either first or last name) to this DAB page. There are already links to the given name Richard and to a list of people with the surname. Rpresser

That may be so, but why is "Dick Tracy" still in the list? Is there a Wiki Guideline describing this?
Philip K. Dick should be on this particular DAB page, because it's his surname. I'm not that sure about people who have Dick as a first name - because that would be an awful long list. mensch 16:29, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree. Very notable Dicks should be on this page. Otherwise, both Dick Tracy and Moby Dick should be removed, and, following the Richard paradigm, be included as part of another page like books and comics with Dick in the title.--Pro-Lick 18:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
I re-added Philip K. Dick. Additionally I looked into the Wiki guidelines concerning DAB pages and didn't find any rules dealing with the names of individuals. I agree with Pro-Lick that the notable "Dicks" should be on this DAB page. People like Dick Cheney shouldn't, because the first name is to generic as a criterium. mensch 19:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I continue to disagree. There is a link to a list of people with the surname. People arriving at this page will not be astounded to find out that Phillip K. Dick has this surname. Dick Tracy is sort of a special case because it is related both to Richard and to "private dick"; but I'd be fine with removing both Dick Tracy and Moby Dick. If you arrive at the Dick DAB you don't need to know everybody who uses the name Dick; you just need to know that Dick is a personal name and also has some other uses. But I will not revert at this time; I'll wait for more argument -- maybe someone can persuade me. Rpresser 21:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

If it gets out of hand and people start dropping all kinds of Dicks in here, I'll agree with you. I'll hold off a few days before trying to add Cheney so any adverse effects between adding PKD and him can be distinguished. My rule wasn't just notable, but VERY notable Dicks. I think that should filter out TV weathermen of the world.--Pro-Lick 21:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
i dunno...i think a lot of guys will still want to think that their dick is "very notable."—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.223.212 (talk • contribs)
Of course you don't have to have every person named Dick (whether it's a first or lastname). But as Philip K. Dick is quite a noticeable person and his surname must be a common search term, why not have his name on the DAB page? It's true he's in the list on another of people named "Dick", but in that list he's still by far the most well-known person in that list. If I search for "Dick" and consequently arrive at the relevant DAB page I would expect to find the name there, that's why I added it in the first place.
On a side-note, the List of people named Dick should be more prominently on the DAB page, instead of the external meta-wiki link. I changed the order of the list. mensch 22:24, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I made PKD a bullet item *under* the surname item. At least some organization will reduce the cluttered look. Rpresser 15:57, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(disambiguation_pages)#Examples_of_individual_entries_that_should_not_be_created is clear, dab pages are not for individual people unless they are only well known by that name (eg, Elvis, Cher). SchmuckyTheCat 17:35, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dick's Sporting Goods

Since typing in "Dicks" redirects to this page, I think that there should be a reference to Dick's Sporting Goods. But I'm not exactly sure how it should be listed since it doesn't quite fit in the list of meanings for "Dick". Personally, I don't like the name of the store (lots of bad results if you search for it), and I guess that at least having a link to the store from this page would help things out. Thunderforge 21:55, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the best answer is a "see also" to Dick's, which itself has a link to the store. Rpresser 17:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Royal Dick School of Veterinary Studies

Students who attend/graduated from this prestigious vet school in Edinburgh, Scotland are commonly referred to as Dicks in online networking sites, within the city and with other vet schools. They take this title with pride and even have a anual sports competition with rival vet school, Glasgow, which is named 'Dick Day'. Most students sport clothing with writing on the back such as 'Proud to be a Dick', 'Dick vet' and many other interesting slogans. I feel that perhaps this should at least be mentioned on the page however I am unable to edit it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Syd290503 (talk • contribs) 23:04, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Do people, globally, entering the name Dick expect to find a reference to a slang term used at a graduate school in one city? Not really. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
I disagree. The Dick Vet is a prestigious school worldwide, attracting students from Africa, America, Asia, Australia... It is a highy competitive school with a massive ratio of applicants to places. It is professionally known as the 'Dick Vet' and is signposted as this on bus stops, within the school itself and on road signs. Also, not to be picky but the dick vet is not a graduate school as such, it is a faculty of the University of Edinburgh.