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[edit] electronic diagnosis

i am searching for software or websites to help diagnosis via computers. That is, a place where doctors can search for symptoms and find rare related diseases, and discuss medicine cases.

o open based repository for medicine information. does anyone knows one? --Alexandre Van de Sande 17:26, 20 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Diagnosis and Assessment

Could anyone suggest whether or how this article should address the issue of 'categorical diagnosis' versus alternative continuum or dimensional approaches? This is a particular issue in regard to mental health diagnoses but is it generally? And how should it be discussed in this article?

Also should the article put medical diagnosis into the context of being one approach to diagnosis or health assessment, and should it address others? I'm personally thinking again mainly in regard to mental health/functioning, and for example the practice of biopsychosocial assessment or formulation (which could be more fully addressed on another page, but not sure what it could be called). It seems that this is diagnosis in the broad sense of the identification of abnormal states associated with functional problems.

I would also comment that the history section appears focused on the genetic and chemical factors involved in diagnosis and etiology, and does not seem to equally include environmental factors and causes. Is this an accurate reflection? Anyone know if this section is based on a particular source?

[edit] Definitions

Cut from intro:

The first definition was preeminent before scientific thought changed to reflect a better understanding of diseases and their causes. Later, as causalities were defined through scientific method, the second definition became more noteworthy.

Often no distinction is made between (1) identification of a constellation of symptoms as a "syndrome" (especially in psychiatry) and (2) identifying the causes of the disease which displays these symptoms.

Two cases in point are Anorexia nervosa and Asperger's syndrome. With Anoroxia, the patient refuses to maintain body weight and fears appearing fat. But what "causes" this refusal? Why is she fearful?

With Asperger's, there is anti-social, self-centered behavior: the presence of these symptoms defines the syndrome. It is thought to be heriditary, or is described as a neurobiological disorder, but nobody knows what causes the syndrome.

Our definition of a diagnosis should distinguish clearly in every case between (1) "Hmm, we've seen this kind of thing many times before" and (2) "Well, this is almost certainly caused by X."

Anyone can say that you've got a fever, or clammy hands, or chest pains. But the kind of diagnoses the patient wants is what is making him sick, so he can be cured. --Uncle Ed 21:56, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Clinical diagnosis

Should clinical diagnosis redirect here? WhatamIdoing (talk) 22:12, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Comments

Someone (sometime back) put a couple of paragraphs into "hidden text" mode. A typo by an anon today further confused things. I've restored the text to visibility, but left the original editor's complaint about the text there (invisible). Anyone who has an idea about how to address that concern, please feel free. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External links

Wikipedia's external links policy and the specific guidelines for medicine-related articles do not permit the inclusion of external links for advertising purposes. Item #5 on the list of links to avoid is "Links to sites that primarily exist to sell products or services" -- which obviously includes all of the "please buy my diagnosis-related software" links. WhatamIdoing (talk) 05:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] External Link

Hello, I would like to add a link to DiagnosisPro - Free Online Medical Diagnosis Tool under Diagnosis. Previously posted link was removed as DiagnosisPro was misrepresented and I would like a second chance (more info).

Keep in mind that since April 2008, we are offering DiagnosisPro free of any charges. We believe that DiagnosisPro is an extremely practical and useful tool for clinicians and we would like to make it available to as many physicians as possible.

Any comment would be appreciated.

Thanks, --75.56.197.224 (talk) 20:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Added link as no one objected. Thanks, --75.56.197.224 (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately, under the conflict of interest rules, you can't add your own website. Mere absence of objection for three and a half days isn't enough; you need to find someone who thinks it's important enough for this article that they are willing to spend ten seconds adding it for you. WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
WhatamIdoing, I'm using this website a lot since I found the link while searching Diagnosis on Wiki SE. I think link should be added to the article as this is a wonderful solution to get a quick Diagnosis. BTW, I think you've got it wrong on your talk page as this is not open wiki project. --67.49.37.149 (talk) 03:16, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
If you have no conflict of interest, and you want to see it included, then you can do that. I don't see its value for this article -- it doesn't really tell you anything about the concept of a diagnosis -- so I won't add it myself, and the people who run the site can't (legitimately) add it because of their conflict of interest, but anyone else can (just like any other editor is welcome to delete links which they believe are inappropriate). WhatamIdoing (talk) 20:10, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
Got bit confused while reading your statement above and edit history for Diagnosis. You removed most of the external links with the exceptions of two links that doesn't really tell you anything about the concept of a diagnosis. Anyway, I have no conflict of interest and I do think this link should be added to the article as this is a great solution for Diagnosis, however, without your approval it would be a waste of time as it's probably going to be removed. --67.49.37.149 (talk) 07:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
The Merck Manual is one of the most famous diagnostic aides, and is well-known even to nonmedical people. The other external link gives an explanation of psychiatric diagnosis, but I wouldn't be troubled if it were removed as it is of considerably lower quality. Antelantalk 13:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
Antelan, I had similar concerns about the quality of the psych link, but all appearances to the contrary, I'm not really opposed to including links. You can, of course, delete it if you want.
67.49.37.149, If you don't choose to add the link, then that's your choice. Perhaps the site owner will find someone who is willing to make a different choice. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
My point in delving into the external links that you "let live" was that at least both were on topic, and one (Merck) is absolutely germane. I basically meant this as an endorsement of your culling of the lesser links. I would have removed the psych link, but I guess I feel that on balance, it's not promotional and having it there is better than not. Antelantalk 22:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
Antelan, that was my point exactly. I'm not stating that any of the existing external links are bad or wrong, just doesn't really tell you anything about the concept of a diagnosis. --67.49.37.149 (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Disambiguation page request

This page "hides" the page Diagnosis (artificial intelligence) in searches, which makes very difficult to access the latter. Is a disambiguation page pertinent in this situation ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.93.5.246 (talk) 14:29, 3 June 2008 (UTC)