Talk:Diabetes
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Since diabetes insipidus is rather rare, I thought we could redirect to diabetes from diabetes mellitus, and have a distinct WU for diabetes insipidus. Also, I came upon a HBG stat differnce in JEMS which say that the normal glucose load is (70-80)-120 mg/dL. We also will need to add some information about gestational diabetes mellitus (GDM). Some epidemiological information would be nice, too.
-- redmist
If someone can verify this and correct it, do so. It was removed from the article (I think "poligenic" is either a typo or an undefined medical term). "In type 1, a genetic trait causes susceptibility to autoimmune reactions. In type 2, there is a poligenic susceptibility to developing hyperglycemia." -- Ram-Man
- "In these patients, type I DM results from a genetically susceptible, immune-mediated, selective destruction of > 90% of their insulin-secreting beta cells." From Merck Manual
- "Type 2 diabetes, the most common form of diabetes, is polygenic, meaning that more that one gene is involved in the disease." from Rockefeller Univerisity
- Kpjas , 2002-10-25
Ram-Man,
"Currently, the exact cause of all types of diabetes has not been fully discovered." In fact, the exact cause of some forms like MODY2 has been discovered it is genetic mutation of the gene for glucokinase.
So this statement is not true and worse than mine.
Kpjas 2002-10-25
I'm curious, do you have a source that you are citing this information? I don't mean to start an edit war. Is this just a study that shown a connection, or has this become a standard explanation? My source have not mentioned this, but that isn't to say I disbelieve you. -- Ram-Man
Moving away from the specific point of discussion and rethinking the whole idea of this article I think we should rewrite it. "Diabetes is a generic term..." so this article should reflect that. Diabetes is not a disease it is not a syndrome either. Diabetes mellitus, to be more precise, is a group of diseases therefore this article should be a general one with history, entymology, classification, info about other diabeteses and some info leading to proper articles :
Kpjas 2002-10-26
See WikiProject Medical Conditions for the current discussion on how to format these articles. -- Ram-Man
Axel,
current medical knowledge is not jargon. Degrading scientific view does not help. Should we remove "jargon" from mathematical, astronomical, physics, etc articles ?
Alternatively, I'd like to move scientific view to Diabetes mellitus and type 1, type 2. What do you think ?
Kpjas 19:47 Feb 24, 2003 (UTC)
diabetes =/= diabetes mellitus. Alex.tan 11:29 10 Jun 2003 (UTC)
wow, there's a lot of diabetes mellitus articles linking to this page. I'll start on changing them to go there. (though not all today)
does anyone use the term diabetes on its own to mean anything other than DM?
No article talking about diabetes insipidus would ever abbreviate it as just diabetes.
No doctor would ever write diabetes on a patient's notes if they were only urinating excessively (polyuria). If they did they'd get a lawsuit (or struck off the register) if there was a problem that resulted from confusion with DM. They'd tend to write IDDM or NIDDM wouldn't they?
I don't mind the page too much how it is now though, it's just inconvenient for the pages linking here. Tristanb 11:08, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Doctors tend to write DM Type I/II, NIDDM/IDDM or just DM. In my experience, doctors (including yours truly) don't tend to write down just 'diabetes' in their casenotes. I presume this is to avoid the potential confusion with diabetes insipidus.
While wikipedia should acknowledge common jargon, it should also be accurate. -- Alex.tan 13:15, 13 Sep 2003 (UTC)
Removed from the article:
Diabetes is generally used synonymously to mean diabetes mellitus. However, the condition means literally "passing too much urine". It comes from the Greek word meaning to 'pass over' or 'cross over'. There are two forms of diabetes, namely diabetes mellitus and diabetes insipidus. By far the most common form of diabetes is diabetes mellitus. Increased amounts of urination are common to all forms of diabetes. Frequency (of urination), nocturia and thirst are other common symptoms. If a person with diabetes is found unconscious, a very likely cause is diabetic coma which is a medical emergency.
[edit] Hypolglycemia
I have added these to the diabetes hypoglycemia page but I thoguh I would also add them here. As a diabetic myself who has not suffered symtpms of hypglycemia for years except for a slightly depressed nature and inability tmo fall asleep, I think it should be noted that a loss of symptoms can occure if hypoglycemic attacks are suffered for a while.
[edit] Treatment I think that the treatment reccomended for diabetes related hypoglycemia is too low. (4-5 ounces of regular soda) As much as 300 ml or a full can and a snakck sized piece of confectionary can be required to raise a persons blood sugar level to an acceptable level.See also:
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