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[edit] Neoplatonism?

This was the title of a section of this article I just finished removing. I ahve pasted and indented its contents below. It looks very much like original research. It begins with the weasel words "It has been suggested" and presents nothing resembling a citation beyond this. Moreover, the section is extremely uninformative in drawing parallels between concepts without explaining what the parallels mean. Finally, the section acknowledges that it is extremely unlikely that the trikaya influenced neoplatonism, and thereby never even makes clear the relevance the section has to anything.

If anyone has a problem with this removal, please find me on my talk page. The removed text is preserved below. Shaggorama 05:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

"It has been suggested that there is a parallel here between the Trikaya doctrine and the Three Hypostases of Plotinus. Although the Dharmakaya and the Sambhogakaya certainly do bear some resemblance to The One and the Nous, the Nirmanakaya is hardly comparable to the World Soul, except for the fact that both exist within time rather than beyond it.
"Moreover, Plotinus was alive considerably later than the Buddhist dissemination due to Ashoka which itself had a substantial influence on Europe (see History of Buddhism).
"see also Five Wisdom Buddhas"

[edit] Trikaya Dharmakaya

Even from mahayana perspective, it is absurd that dhamrakaya is redirected to trikaya. trikaya is merely an aspect of dharmakaya. FWBOarticle

I'm not sure I understand what you mean here, FWBOarticle. Do you mean it in the sense that all phenomena are aspects of Dharmakaya? One can easily argue that the Dharmakaya is one of the Trikaya - and I guess one could even argue that the word Dharmakaya is an aspect of Nirmanakaya, and also Nirmanakaya, Dharmakaya and Trikaya are aspects of Samboghakaya - but what does that tell us? (20040302)
Opps, I totally got translation of chinese wrong. Sorry, this is totally my mistake. I'm in the process of organising the wiki link of the main Buddhism article so I got carried away. I make it upto it by making some cotribution to trikaya article. Vapour

There is a bit of excuse to it. I was reading Japanese article about Buddhakaya. In that article, it is stated that Dharmakaya is first appear as expression of Buddhakaya. And it was talking about different theory of kaya in mahayana. Apparently there are three type of kaya theory in mahayana, that is two-body theory, three body theory (tri kaya) and four body theory. Because i only read two body theory part Buddhakaya=Dharmakaya, i got mixed up. I also know that there is a theravada organisation which is called Dharmakaya foundation so i find out what is the common ground of Buddhakaya in mahayana and teravada. I think Buddhakaya is probably the best main article of this duo/tri/quo kaya thingy. I'll get back to you when I did my research. I will revert this article to trikaya. still, if Japanese wikipedia is correct, dhamakaya came first before there are anything like trikaya so the previous state where dharmakaya is redirected to trikaya probably isn't right, imo. Vapour

Hi Vapour. In some of the indo-tibetan traditions, it is NOT correct that the Dharmakaya comes first. Indeed, this was a question I once asked the great scholar and yogi, Denma Lochö Rinpoche, back in 1995 or so. He stated that at the point of attaining Buddhahood, all kayas (2,3,4,5 according to interpretation) arise simultaneously. He had a series of convincing arguments for why this is the case, which unfortunately slip my mind. If I can recall them, I shall let you know. (20040302 18:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC))

I think I can do it right this time. I will restore the article back to trikaya. I'm really sorry about it. My apologies. I will create Buddhakaya article, then insert it in Buddha article, then try to list different kayas as well as different grouping of kaya (2,3,4). Vapour

[edit] List of Kaya in Chinese Mahayana

仏身 Buddha kaya
法身 Dharma kaya
生身 Karaja kaya
名身 Nama　　kaya
色身 Rupa kaya
呼吸身 assasapassasa kaya 入出息身
所生身 karaja kaya
応身 nirmana kaya
報身 niSyanda-buddha vipaaka-kaaya saMbhoga-kaya

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