Talk:DeVry University
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[edit] Curriculum
Right now the Curriculum section is unfocused and basically unreferencable. Here's how I'd rewrite it:
- Discuss general program emphasis and scheduling (this can cite marketing copy, but a third-party summary would be nice)
- List major and notable programs (a good project for someone with WP:COI)
- Discuss notable program details (eg: before the last cleanup there was a comment that they were "engineering technology" degrees, which I thought was interesting and I'd like to see back in there if we can find a source explaining the difference)
Vagary 02:13, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'm not actually sure if DeVry specialises in anything in particular although it does appear to have a business bias. A bit like University of Nottingham - no real specialisation. Which is why I think we may as well put them into groups (business, bioinformatics, etc.) rather than a list of courses, and find a list of courses as a reference and stick that in. That makes it a lot less like an advertisement and sensible. x42bn6 Talk 17:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] History
I agree that the timeline in History wasn't very good, but I think it's a shame to throw out the details of the corporate history (especially because the organization naming is so complicated). I've attempted to convert the text timeline into a familytree timeline using the hairy (but fairly well documented) Template:familytree. Vagary 20:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
- It turns out that after DeVry acquired Becker CPA Review, it was restructured into a holding company, Becker Professional Review, which holds Becker CPA Review and Stalla Review. Keller did a leveraged buyout of DeVry rather than merging into it as the diagram implies. And I think the "Bell and Howell Education Group" is a division of Böwe Bell & Howell.
- In short, the corporation is too complicated for the current diagram. I'm thinking the two pieces of notable information are how the core DeVry company's name has changed over the years, plus the present corporate structure. Any comments? Vagary 00:32, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] University system?
This article claims that DeVry University is a university system. I contest that claim. DeVry University is accredited by the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools as a single university, not a university system.[1] Compare that to the University of Wisconsin System, which has each university within the system accredited separately by the same accrediting body that accredits DeVry.[2] Some may point out that each DeVry campus is separately accredited by the Accreditation Board of Engineering and Technology, but that is because ABET's rules require it for all multi-campus institutions.[3] (The North Central Association provides institutional accreditation. ABET only provides program accreditation.[4][5])
Furthermore, everything I've seen on DeVry's web site suggests that DeVry considers itself to be a single university, rather than a university system. That is the true test because the real difference between a multiple-campus university and a university system is the amount of autonomy of the individual campuses. --JHP 03:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] On the best interest of the readers
"Information is not entropy, a great part of the entropy is misiformation, wikipedia is not in anyway a version of a neutral entropy" --codeplowed--Veritas Longa15:51, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
The undocumented calamities and barbaric corporate scandals take time to be reveled, sometimes several lifetimes, but injustices find their way regardless in the [neutrally documented] history and regardless and somehow so often these injustices repeat themselves even our own knowledge or negative experiences about them but of course without our permission, think in here about those serial killers, or the child molesters and abusers, now think about of our educational system and especially in institutions like DeVry Inc., what do they need to do everyday to survive?, and how they do survive everyday? Selling? Teaching? what is the kind of equipment they have to train people in the fields in which they do advertise everyday? Microsoft Word 2003 or Windows XP or Google? Can we really and completely trust the media who are being paid to advertise these institutions and the reporters, who are paid as well everyday--some of them now all over Wikipedia? what are they going to write about? Some senators might have these and other questions in a statistical documentation form right now at their desks, and all the lawyers of their fraudulent sub-world would not be enough to protect these institutions and the real "evil-doers" that manage them of their misdeeds. There are officials representing the interest of people, the people of United States of America, and they are already smelling this conspicuous "monkey [educational] business". DeVry Inc. Management and other similar "for profit institutions" officials agents would most likely face similar destinies as their counterparts in Enron or at least they should resign and these institutions should be closed. The other people’s money or those investors have limits and these boundaries come when the legislation intervene to remind them that not all is about some people’s money. Am I Bias? Over the last years the abundance of documented evidence in official records against DeVry Inc.’s business and marketing practices has rapidly and alarmingly increased. These complaints are not only about the education of its teachers or their ability to teach but the complaints have come from different types of individuals and from all sorts of sources. For instance corporations that have been aggravated by DeVry Inc. or more precisely by its management' decision makers; from parents, spouses and other students' relatives that have been disgusted by DeVry Inc.'s broken promises, from students who have and are not being able to both find a decent job, and pay their students loans and also other maladies such as their privacy being taking away in its entirety from them by the DeVry Inc.'s associates, i.e., collection agencies, car dealers, and other interested third parties. These individuals have not only experienced how their dreams and illusions have been stolen, but are being unfairly castigated and punished by the rough 'business practices' of this institution too. The list includes: Professors who are still working inside DeVry but fearful of losing their jobs and so prefer to remain anonymous, Professors and evenly Deans who have been fired unjustifiably just because they did want more and better resources for their students and thus they only wanted to do a better job. The malpractices of this institution are significant; in effect they represent a waking call for legislation to change the education accreditation and reaccredidation process. As more documentation about DeVry Inc.’s abuses are being posted by more people, so more prospect students, professors and other stakeholders will be able to form their own ideas about supporting or participating into these “business practices” of these so-called "educational" institutions doing business in United States of North America or elsewhere in the world. DeVry Inc. until now still operating legally and is poised as a "technical" school advertising as University system, which is obviously not, in many states in USA, However, should be in anytime now to be confronted by the Legal regulations and force out of business.--Veritas Longa 16:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
My greetings to Squalidhamburger and JohnballfullofHam Users, and their paid-subculture at Wikipedia. From May to here we know clearly who you really are. Therefore, I am back. codeplowed Do you want to talk?-Veritas Longa 12:52, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Program Accreditation
DeVry has some accreditation for its Associates in Electronics Engineering Technology and Health Information Technology that could be added to the article if anyone cares. (For the latter, I would suggest that it is not notable unless an article for Commission on Accreditation for Health Informatics and Information Management Education is.) Vagary 02:04, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
