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There is open debate on rather facism is rightwing or not. People like F. A. Hayek, as well as many others state that these parties are state controled collectivists, and therefore leftwing. -- posted by user:68.57.33.91, moved to talk by Ferkelparade π 10:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Even Hayek considered fascism "right-wing" (in "road to serfdom", he call of "left-wing socialism" and "right-wing socialism", i.e., fascism)

Saying that fascists "are state controled collectivists, and therefore leftwing" is a non-sequitor: in mainland Europe (at least, before, WWII), conservatives were collectivists - it was the conservative Louis de Bonald who wrote "It were not the individuals who make society, it is the society who makes the individuals", not any leftist. During many time, the appology of the "free-market" was a trait of centre-left parties, like British Liberals and French Radicals.

The main tenets of the "right-wing" are: antropological pessimism; anti-egalitarianism; and historical non-determinism. Fascism matches all these criteria (or, at least, don't oppose any)--194.65.151.249 13:03, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Hayek did not use those terms; you did. He stated that Hitler and the Nazis were left wing, he opposed so-called modern conservatives, because he said they were not conservatives at all, but collectivists and therfore leftwing.

That was a sociological statement not his view of politics. You twisted that statement. I doubt he was a collectivist. If Louis de Bonald did believe that politically, then he was a leftist. Conservatives of that time might not mean the same thing as conservatives today, but the definiton of leftwing and socialism hasn't changed.

Conservatives then were against the free market and individualist policies, because that took power from the aristocrats. Free marketers then were not leftists, they were rightists because they were for less state control on the economy and individualist freedoms.

Your last statement is ludicris. Even as a centrist, I take offense to such biased rubish. To say that: antropological pessimism; anti-egalitarianism; and historical non-determinism are rightwing policies is non-sense. (Neutral nobody 15:01, 10 November 2005 (UTC))

I removed the POV banner because it's rather silly to claim that calling a party right-wing is POV. Even the German Empire Party's predecessor called itself right-wing (German Right Party, Deutsche Rechtspartei). You can debate Hayek until you're blue in the face, but the normal (i.e. NPOV) understanding is that fascism is right-wing. --metzerly 18:42, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Naming

The party seems to be most often referred to with its German name in English. When the name is translated German Reich Party is more commen than German Empire Party. On that reasoning I'm going to move the article to the German name. Additionally I think 'Empire' is rather misleading since it has a very different set of connotations than 'Reich' does. Haukur 21:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)