Talk:Detoxification foot pads

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[edit] Initial comments

I am not a promoter of detox foot pads. I came to Wikipedia looking for information on them and when I found nothing, I added the page. Whether they are a hoax or not, they deserve an informative article. If they are in fact a hoax, then that information will be in the article. It is very hard to find legitimate information on detox foot pads, which is why I came looking for information on them on Wikipedia. Since this is an article that is attempting to describe what these are and the medical research on them, it does not meet the criteria for deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Computerhag (talk • contribs) 04:27, 8 January 2008.

As the article is currently written, it reads like a clear advertisement for detoxification foot pads, and regardless of your original intentions in the manner (which I assume to be good), it should be deleted in its current form. Also note that the topic you are writing on may not deserve an article due to Wikipedia:Notability, which stresses that subjects must have significant coverage from secondary sources in order to have articles on them. Unless such sources are provided, the article may be deleted in the future even if the speedy deletion request here is denied. However, as you said, it is difficult to find such information, which may point towards the article not satisfying the aforementioned notability guideline. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 04:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
It's a cultural phenomena and does have secondary sources. You need to give this some time for them to surface. They can't show up when you keep deleting the article and don't give it any chance for development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Computerhag (talk • contribs) 04:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Then show them. It's a matter of them being present in the article to assert notability. If you cannot, then the article should be deleted until sources surface. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball; ergo, you cannot simply claim that notability exists in the future. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 05:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I found a recent warning from the FDA. Happy now? Computerhag (talk) 06:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Better. You might also want to convert the list of ingredients and usage into prose, as it will make it look less like an advertisement. Finding more sources for asserting notability will also help. Best of luck. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 06:24, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
I just took all that hype out altogether. I found an experiment on a website that shows the same 'gunk' that appears can be brought out with water. I really hope to develop this article so that the tv news shows that are certain to start reporting on this product will have some real information and evidence to report on. This is always the first place they check. With all the claims of 'numerous Asian studies,' I can't find a single one. I work at a college library and asked for help from the medical reference librarian. There is NO MEDICAL DATA on these pads. While that might seem like a reason to delete this article, it really just perpetuates the myths on TV. This little crap stub I've pulled together tonight is now the easiest to find and most informative REAL information on this holistic quackery. It's only a matter of weeks before something comes out in Time, Newsweek, WebMD or other somewhat credible source. Computerhag (talk) 06:36, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I found this Wikipedia page fairly non-informative without test results we should refrain from opinions and using words such as quackery until it is proven. I understand how people might not beleive but Wikipedia is not a wepage to form opinions.

There was one major error. The skin is permeable. Although the use of Foot Pads is not proven, errors such as this make your article less credible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.108.190.2 (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so. I'm no expert, but it seems permeable by definition means it allows all substances to pass through. I'm not sure it is correct to say skin is semipermeable, either. The stuff on the web seems to use those terms on the cellular level, not on the level of organs. Can someone more knowledgeable clarify?--67.101.255.32 (talk) 06:51, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] March 2008 comments

If you look at the comments below the sciencepunk articles, you will see that the fact that these things do not work is disputed. I'm not saying that I think they definitely work, because I do not know. It would be easy enough for someone to analyze a used foot pad in a lab to put the discussion to rest, but so far no one has done that...so really the discussion is still open. Hello415 (talk) 03:08, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

UPDATE: Since I posted the above response, SciencePunk has released another article on detox pads. Apparently they had the pads sent in to a lab and they were analyzed for heavy metals, and the metals were in the used pads of a person who tested negative for heavy metals, and in the pads of a person who tested positive. This is supposed to be proof that, apparently, Kinoki and other detox foot pad companies put the heavy metals in the pads ahead of time. What bothers me about this concept is that, some of the metals that were found in the pads are very hazardous, such as barium. I would think that since these are dangerous metals that, if this is really true, the FDA would have intervened by now and removed detox pads from the market. I'd be interested to see what comes of this though. The companies all claim that they have all natural ingredients, but if they truly have heavy metals in them then I bet they'll be in a lot of trouble. Hello415 (talk) 20:32, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Ingredients list for one brand

there are many brands of footpads... I found an ingrediant list for Champnyes (http://www.champneys.com/Collection/Body_Care_products/Products/Detox_Patches_Multi_Pack#) detox foot pads pads here are the ingredients as listed on their site:
Wood Vinegar, Tourmaline, Pearl Stone, Highly Purified Silica, Chitosan, Polyolic Alcohol, Starch, Mugwort Extract.Dreammaker182 (talk) 00:57, 19 April 2008 (UTC)