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[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Nathanexplosioncropped.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 17:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Note about Murderface's knife

The knife commonly carried and used by Murderface is a 1991 Gil Hibben Double Shadow. Real pic here: http://www.bkcg.co.uk/guide/hibben/1991.JPG Just FYI, guys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.186.147 (talk) 00:25, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


Dethklok is goin on a summer tour this year. 2008. kicks it off in Atlanta, moving it's way down to Orlando, St. Petersburg, and back up the east coast.

[edit] Weird info being added?

Ok, I just spent like an hour last night organizing the section on Pickles and I've been planning to organize the other sections when I have the time, because this page needs some serious help; it's a mess. Well, right after I updated it someone added this: "In the episode "Klokdeth," Pickles was revealed to be an alien from the planet Picklesstonisaisa, a planet comprised of weed and alcohol. He is a musical ambassador from the planet." ...What is this? I'm noticing other weird pieces of info popping up in the other sections, too, supposedly from as-of-yet unreleased episodes. I can't have possibly seen episodes that haven't been released yet so I can't verify any of it, but apparently someone has...? It's kind of hard to have a section that explains his background with his family and then suddenly say he's an alien...

...Man, maybe I shouldn't even bother with this. Maybe this page is beyond help. I'm just trying to help this page to contain actually pertinent, relevant information about the characters, but people seem to want to take every line the characters say out of context. To quote someone from another topic on this page, "It's unnecessary to list every possible attribute of each character based on one line of non-plot critical dialogue." —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domorrigan (talk • contribs) 20:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I have been a longtime anonymous contributor to Wikipedia, but I must admit that a lot of folks like that ruin it for the rest of us. I'm sick of the rampant vandalism (get a life) and the loss of focus on many articles (its a encyclopedia, not a discussion board or place for conjecture -- and too many of these articles turn into episode recaps) /soapbox - Mike B, Lexington KY


[edit] Pickles's brother Seth

In Dethfam it clearly states that Seth is his older brother. In Dethwedding it clearly states that Seth is his younger brother. This is a blatant discrepancy within the script. Weird. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Domorrigan (talk •

contribs) 23:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)


You ever notice... whenever Seth makes it a point to say Pickles is his brother and he loves him, it prefaces an accusation that Pickles isn't treating him right.


What has that got to do with ANYTHING?JackorKnave (talk) 22:40, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Nathan:XYY?

Someone added this recently: "[...] and is suspected to have the XYY genetic condition, as he matches many of its symptoms." [spell-corrected]

I hadn't thought of this before. Upon reading up on the condition, it does seem to be quite possible; however, is it substantiated enough within the content of the series to be considered encyclopedic? True, this is a line which is tough to draw with this article, but there is nothing within the article that is non-canonical, which is the important thing. They are remarkably well-developed characters in light of the nature of the series. Domorrigan (talk) 09:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

This article is already a shit-storm in terms of Writing about fiction and attribution. I strongly suggest adding new content that contains real-world information and is entirely verifiable. Do not bother going in depth on things such as a characters speculated genetic disorders - as in-universe information like that ultimately gets this article deleted or redirected. Unless someone wishes to do so already, I'm purging/re-writing most of this article once I get a chance. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  19:01, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Wow. There is a big difference between trying to diagnose a physical medical condition in a fictional character and acknowledging factual, substantiated attributes of that character's persona and appearance. I do not find it non-canonical to acknowledge these characteristics in a series which is heavily and recurrently focused on the themes of addiction and psychological disturbance within the band. The psyches of these characters are canonical, plot-relevant information. Humor aside, at the core, this is the focal point of the series. I do understand where you are coming from and why you are peeved, as I have considered these things myself, but I'm not going to take lightly to you going through this article and raping it, either. Are you very familiar with all of the material available on the series? Can you mount a case against anything presently included in this article? Domorrigan (talk) 20:56, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Not to mention that original research, which is what this speculation on genetic disorders is, isn't allowed by Wikipedia policy. ☯Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 21:33, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I am not the person who added this "XYY" piece of info; I am the person who removed it. For obvious reasons. Domorrigan (talk) 21:44, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I knew that matey, I was just adding my point to the end of the convo :) ☯Ferdia O'Brien (T)/(C) 21:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
I suppose I am defensive after the statement that this page is a "shit-storm," because it was a shit-storm when I happened upon it last week. It was a disorganized, misspelled, grammatically-effed pile of crap with a lot of poorly-stated substantiation. I've never contributed non-anonymously/more than casually to Wiki before, because I've scarcely happened upon a page that was so poorly put together, and so deserving of help. I wasn't sure how to clean the mess; it already contained many bits of info which would enter into this "grey area" of discussion. I didn't want to remove everything that people apparently want to be included in this article, so I removed the things which were blatantly speculative, provided rationale and citation for the canon, and put quite a deal of time into organizing and copy-editing the information into flowing paragraphs and giving the thing some freakin' cohesion. So if this page is a shit-storm now, then damn. Domorrigan (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

The grammar, punctuation, and overall delivery have improved, however that’s necessarily that important – articles cannot be deleted because they are poorly written. There’s are at least three major problems with this article.

  • Verifiability
  • Prose
  • Notability

As I pointed out that a majority of this article is missing proper citations (WP:CITE, WP:RS). All unsourced material can challenged and removed (WP:A). There is even an attribution disclaimer at the top of this discussion page that alerts editors that all speculative and unsourced material will be removed given this article’s history. You could probably have this article copy-edited by a cabal of Ivy League writers, and it would still be fodder for deletions. Above all things, this article needs more references or citations.

Next, this article is written in a prose that is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Articles about fictional subjects need to be written in present tense, and for the most part, avoid length plot summaries (WP:WAF). Rather than stating each band member’s life story, I would strongly suggest trimming the band members and history section. If at all possible, use REAL WORLD information, as opposed to centering the article on just information from Metalocalypse. Focus on their record sales, critical reception, or touring. Or, explain why Small choose the musicians he did to represent Dethklok.

Finally, for an article that allegedly claims its released the “highest charting death metal ever” the article itself does not access much notability in its current state (WP:N). Include specific examples to further reiterate what makes Dethklok so special , such as praise from critics, well-known musicians, columnists, or the sheer success of the Dethalbum.

As aforementioned, I have already began re-working this article within one of my sandboxes – so this is not a drive-by rant/tagging. --  ShadowJester07  ►Talk  23:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow. "If at all possible, use REAL WORLD information, as opposed to centering the article on just information from Metalocalypse." I honestly couldn't disagree more. This is an article about five characters from a television show, keywords here being "characters" and "show." Of course it is centered around Metalocalypse, as well it should be. It is not, in fact, a "real" band. There is very little information available on the "reality" of the band as there essentially is none. It is a relatively new project and there is very little to say at this point in time about the real-life counterpart to this "virtual" band.
Double-wow @ verifiability. For one, I mainly only worked on sections 2.1-2.4, so I had nothing to do with the record sales bit. I realize that I didn't use proper tags as I was unsure how, but I have noted the substantiating episodes and interviews, as well as direct word-for-word quotes from the script. I don't get it; do you not watch the show...? How can you watch the series and not be aware of these things? And why would I try to put anything into the article that isn't true? Why would I try to screw up a page about something I love? Fine, scrap any interesting or important information about these characters and their personalities from this article and throw all my time and everyone else's out the window if you're going to be that anal about this, but you seem like you're being over-authoritative about an article about an animated band. No disrespect intended. Domorrigan (talk) 23:53, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
P.S. "Or, explain why Small choose the musicians he did to represent Dethklok." See, now this is the kinda thing I don't think has ANY place in this article. Small and Blacha looked to a few well-known metal bands to pick out some physical archetypes to begin to build the characters after. However, their personalities and details of their features are not meant to actually "represent" these real life people. Conceptualization for the show supposedly began with the two writers/VAs playing off each other in their Scandinavian "metal airhead" voices, hence the reason why these two are more developed, and the only two characters within the band to have specific interaction with each other.
Honestly, if that's the kind of article you think this should be, you should just delete this page and the minor characters' page, too, because there'd be no point. This is a character page, not a band page. The five focal characters were moved to their own page for obvious reasons. I'm recalling all the anime characters and such with individual pages that go on for miles and miles and aren't any better formatted or referenced than this. ...These are all pretty basic observations to include in a character summary. I mean, if you're missing this content, then you're not really watching the show. I've never known Brendon Small to produce vapid, meaningless crap. He's more of an "amusing yet thoughtful social commentary" kind of guy. ...I'm too analytical to write for an encyclopedia. Nuke this article. I quit. Domorrigan (talk) 21:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Pickles' full name

In the Dethwedding episode of Metalocalypse on about Pickles' brother, Seth, getting married... his last name was said, I didn't really catch it that well, but if anyone else did, I would assume it's also Pickles' last name and add it to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.37.150.51 (talk) 04:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] regarding nathan.

i think the recent episode of dethklok really shows his thrid demension, he doesen't have trouble reading in this episode and seems to show a great intrest in the culture of his people.

this episode revealed alot of things about his personality, prehaps covered by previous episodes, but still, i think we can mention abit mroe then him pullnig a boat over a mountain.

i mean, maybe its already covered, but it still feels like this episode touched more on his hidden depth then the others.

couldn't we just add a "(such as in dethcallado)" or something?

again, maybe its really not need, but still, there could be some needed additions to his section. --Homor (talk) 09:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)