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[edit] Former SDA?
While this may well be true (I don't know his official membership status), the article is included in that category. For that to be proper, clear proof should be mentioned (and referenced) in the article. -- Fyslee (collaborate) 09:21, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
- I would appreciate suggestions as to where I could find this information. I know a lot of verbal history and information, but I don't think I could lay my hands on any reputable reference that indicates either way. -Fermion 07:16, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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- You could send him an email. You need to get two pieces of info: (1) "Are you presently a registered member of the SDA church?" ; (2) Get official confirmation (if his answer is affirmative) from church sources by writing to the local SDA conference office where he lives. -- Fyslee (collaborate) 11:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
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- He is, to my knowledge, is not a member of the local conference in which he resides. That was the purpose of the document that Colin cites below. The Avondale College church was seeking to gain a membership for him. I am of the understanding that Dr Ford contacted a number of members of Avondale College and assured them that while the sentiment was nice, he had no desire for membership. In that view then, officially he his not a member. I still don't see how you could reference it as it is possible he is still on the books at PUC! -Fermion 02:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
- At a talk in 2003 he said that when he left America for Australia he didn't try and get his membership transferred, but asked them to remove it from the books as he would not be able to be an active member, due to living in a different country. Clank.r 04:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
- He is, to my knowledge, is not a member of the local conference in which he resides. That was the purpose of the document that Colin cites below. The Avondale College church was seeking to gain a membership for him. I am of the understanding that Dr Ford contacted a number of members of Avondale College and assured them that while the sentiment was nice, he had no desire for membership. In that view then, officially he his not a member. I still don't see how you could reference it as it is possible he is still on the books at PUC! -Fermion 02:49, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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- At least in 2002, he wasn't a member.[1] I suggest that we leave in the category and the comment until a reference can be found, unless anyone seriously doubts the truth of it. You could also search Des' own websites, which is perfectly acceptable as a Wikipedia citation, I believe. Colin MacLaurin 02:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
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- An 1996 Adventist Today article by Raymond Cottrell says "Dr. Ford—is still a member of the church".[2] Colin MacLaurin 20:29, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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- Australasian Conference: "That with deep regret we withdraw Doctor Desmond Ford's ministerial credentials, noting that this does not annul his ordination, and... recommend to the Avondale College Board that he be relieved of his responsibilities as a minister and teacher."[3] Colin MacLaurin 17:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
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[edit] membership
I may be wrong, but I was under the strong impression that Ford was disfellowshipped at that meeting. If there is any doubt, we should not call him an Adventist and/or should mention the doubt or the idea that he was disfellowshipped (without necessarily confirming it). Calling him an Adventist if we don't know that he is one is just as bad as the other way around. --Cromwellt|talk|contribs 04:13, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
- I'm confused: which meeting? Fermion 06:50, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
Ford remained a Adventist Church member at Pacific Union College Church until his return to Australia. At that time he voluntarily resigned his church membership.Thielogian (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 10:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Sources
Let's discuss which sources are the best available.
One reference currently used is bibleprophecy.net. The site does not say who wrote the articles, making it an extremely questionable source. Colin MacLaurin 07:26, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
Not a leading source, but I was interested to note that the Standish brothers (historic Adventists) wrote very highly of their impressions of Ford while at Avondale College together. I'm sure they disapprove strongly of his later path, but I think their comments are worth including. Colin MacLaurin 06:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Manuscript pre Glacier View
The sources differ slightly regarding Ford's manuscript. Different titles are given. Are these sources contradictory, or were there different versions of the manuscript produced? Let's fix this. Colin MacLaurin 18:00, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
