Talk:Deseret (Book of Mormon)

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"A prominent example is the Deseret Morning News, Utah's second-largest daily newspaper. An anachronistic name, the newspaper was established when the area was called Deseret Territory."

Isn't it more accurate to call it an archaiac name? It made sense when originally adopted but now no longer applies. It would have been anachronistic if it had been called the Utah Morning News when the area was called Deseret. Lisiate 19:49, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I suppose you're right that "archaic" is more specific, but it has the connotation of being obsolete which doesn't quite apply, I think. Either way, I would not be opposed so long as it's clear that the News traces its name back to Deseret Territory while things like Deseret Book don't exactly. Cool Hand Luke 20:01, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Deseret vs the State of Deseret 2 Sentence Fragment= 3 Honeybee not native 4 Unsourced statements and obscure references 5 Merge

[edit] Deseret vs the State of Deseret

I made an edit that may have to be revisited. When the LDS settled in Utah, it was not yet a part of the US. They, in a relatively short time, carved out a large area they called Deseret. The original idea was to claim this as a seperate country. However, when much of the territory was ceded to the US from Spain, they decided to apply for territorial/state status. The original proposal was much larger than Utah, but was wittled down over time, until the state was finally admitted with its present boundaries. I don't have much on hand to document, via dates and boundaries, but will work on it. As it is, I think my edit made it more confusing. I will copy to my work page and then revert back until later. Comments welcome. WBardwin 05:50, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Sentence Fragment=

There is a sentence fragment on the page: "Though later it was discovered to mean "Top of the Mountains." Jim 17:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Honeybee not native

You made an error when you stated, "A historical problem then arises, considering that the honey bee is not native to the Americas." The Jaredites were also not native to the Americas and brought the honeybee with them. You can read this from the Book of Mormon in Ether 2:3 "And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind." Joe 16:25, 3 July 2006

Now that is hilarious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.72.175.0 (talk • contribs) 19 July 2006

[edit] Unsourced statements and obscure references

I've added reference sources for most of the info on this page. There is one statement that might be true, but I can't find any support for it: "The name 'Deseret' was rejected because of its religious significance and its resemblance to the English word 'desert.'" I have heard this before, but it doesn't seem to be documented anywhere – if you know of a source, add it back to the article. I've also removed references to Deseret Forwarding International – although this is a real company, I don't think it is significant enough to merit mention in an encyclopedia. Jaksmata 01:50, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

An editor recently contributed Nation of Deseret, which looks like a school report. It's referenced and more in-depth than this article, although I didn't read it through for POV. Unknown if it's a copyvio from a dead tree source, but not apparently from the web (Google and I checked). --Ginkgo100^talk 03:34, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Definately a paper of some kind, about the concept of something that might be termed Deseret Nationialism, I suppose. Original research, whther by the contributer or a prior source. Most of the material is about other aspects of LDS/Utah history, although there's a good chunk about the Deseret alphabet. "Nation of Deseret" is not a proper subject though. Assuming it's not a copyright vio, it should probably redirect to State of Deseret with relevent material copied here and to Deseret alphabet. Cool Hand Luke 05:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

The Nation of Deseret article is truly not an encyclopedic article. If someone here or on another LDS page would like to salvage something from it, let me know. If not I will AfD it in a few days. --killing sparrows 03:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

some sections would go best into State of Deseret, I think. Notice has gone out on the LDS project board. WBardwin 04:50, 29 March 2007 (UTC)