Talk:DES
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People looking for DES the drug likely will not see the header on the Data Encryption Standard page. That is what happened to me. I only found it because I googled "des birth defect", then found the name of the chemical, then found the chemical name in wiki. I want to make it easier for people to find it in wiki and it is most commonly referred to as DES.
I made changes to make it go to the disambiguation page directly instead of going to the Data Encryption Standard page.
So Matt Crypto, Why do you keep changing it back?
Please leave it with the fixes I have made, or if you want to change it back leave an explanation here.
John Plano, TX, USA
- Thanks for your comments, John. On Wikipedia, the strategy of putting a header at the top of a page is quite standard (it's called "primary topic disambiguation"), and people learn to look out for it. Anyway, to compromise, I've added an explicit mention of Diethylstilbestrol into the DES header, but I think there's a case for primary disambiguation here, not equal disambiguation. — Matt Crypto 16:20, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
Matt, you are wrong, this is a case for "equal disambiguation". On this I will not compromise. The drug has been arround a lot longer than the Data Encryption Standard. Perhaps Data Encryption Standard should be a primary disambiguation header on the drug page!
People looking for the drug will likely not see your header. It is small and hardly noticable. I have changed it back to go to the "equal disambiguation" page again.
It only adds 1 click to people looking for Data Encryption Standard. Why are you fighting this so much? It makes me wonder if you have some hidden agenda involving this. Does your work involve Data Encryption?
There are lots of other wiki pages where you type in 3 letters and it goes to a disambiguation page. This should do the same. That is the standard that I know of and have seen all over wikipedia.
John Plano, TX, USA
[edit] Disambig
There is no reason to arbitrarily assign importance of Data Encryption Standard over Diethylstilbestrol. Both are common uses of the acronym DES. Perhaps if one of them was very rarely referred to as DES, or was very non-notable then a primary disambig would be appropriate, in this case I feel that equal disambiguation is appropriate. To avoid an edit war, I suggest that we leave things as they are until this resolved. I also recommend an RfC if and only if we are unable to come to a consensus here. Peyna 16:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
- While I think there's some case for primary disambiguation here, I don't think it's particularly crucial, and I'm happy to let this page become a disambig page once we've fixed all the incoming links (most of which are meant for Data Encryption Standard). — Matt Crypto 23:11, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'll get on that Peyna 23:18, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Completed, I'm going to go ahead and remove the redirect and replace DES with DES (disambiguation) and then remove the primary disambig from Data Encryption Standard. Peyna 23:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- Thanks for doing the hard work with the incoming links (I did a dozen or so, and then my Internet connection went down). — Matt Crypto 10:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
- Completed, I'm going to go ahead and remove the redirect and replace DES with DES (disambiguation) and then remove the primary disambig from Data Encryption Standard. Peyna 23:46, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
- I'll get on that Peyna 23:18, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I am responding to the RFC regarding disambiguating DES. Frankly, I've thought of DES as being primarily the estrogen medication diethylstilbestrol, but then again, I could be biased being in the medical field. Then again, lay people may come across DES in the context of its relationship to cancer. I favor equal disambiguation. Andrew73 04:54, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
I am also responding to the RFC regarding disambiguating DES. I have thought of DES being primarily an encryption standard, but then again, I could be biased being in the computing field. Given the comment by User:Andrew73 I favour equal disambiguation. —R. Koot 05:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Er...why is there an RfC filed? Moreover, why did no-one inform the people engaging in discussion on this page? Moreover, why has noone noticed that we, er, came to a consensus on this four days ago? — Matt Crypto 10:03, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
- I think it makes sense to move the RfC now! InvictaHOG 13:36, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
