User talk:Derekloffin

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Hmmmm, doesn't look like anyone's given you a welcoming yet, so I guess I will:

Welcome!

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[edit] Ranma 1/2 articles

Hi. I thought we should talk here before we start an editing war on the Ukyo Kuonji page, I removed the mention of her battle spatula being based on the ones used to prepare pizza because as far as I know, no official statement about that has been made by official sources, if you have some official statement, please add it; the same reason applies to her power level compared to Shampoo, there's no official statement about it and the way it is in the page, it definitively is fancruft and not really neutral, if you want it to stay, it can be modified to be neutral and not cruft.Facer 21:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, what I mean there is there is no official mention of it being a spatula either, yet it's referred to as 'Battle spatula' throughout the article. I know this is common fan terminology, but it to my knowledge is not any more supported than the peel. As to the other bit, I feel it just needs rewording, because the facts are correct (they did fight to a standstill in the anime, and have never had a conclusive battle in the manga), it just presents that poorly. Derekloffin 21:32, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Hello, regarding the spatula thing, yeah, it is fan terminology, but the way you worded it could be changed into a more apropiate statement, like just mentioning her Battle Spatula resembles a pizza shovel instead of saying it was likely based on that tool (Which we don't officialy know, but I think it's very unlikely), since that would turn your contribution into a fan-based statement that could be considered cruft.
As for the power levels, I do agree with you, as far as the manga goes the strongest and most skilled girl is Shampoo, followed by Akane and Ukyo (who are pretty much even if you consider the physical feats both acomplish in the manga) and Kodachi would be last. The problem is that it could degenerate into an edit war if its not worded better, just like you said. It would help if you reword that part (or I could do it over the weekend, it's the same to me), just try to avoid mentioning what fans think about it so it won't be confused as cruft. See ya.Facer 01:21, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

You know Derek, concering our anon friend who is messing up the template lately; I've been thinking, do you know of any admin who is willing to give us a hand dealing with him/her? I mean, most of his contribs are fancruft.Facer 19:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Afraid not, I'm pretty new here so I'm only familiar with a few frequent posters to the R 1/2 pages. Derekloffin 20:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
It's ok, I think I can get help with that.Facer 00:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Ranma images

Now, I don't consider myself an expert on Wikipedia's image policy, but I'll try to answer your question. If you find an image on the internet whose source is the copyright holder (if you found it on Viz's website, that's great), upload the image and include information about the author (Takahashi and/or Viz Video, since they own the rights to Ranma in the US), the url where you found it, a good fair use rationale (in this case, it's probably to illustrate the character, etc.) and a license tag (you probably want "single comic book panel" or the like). See Image:Yuna3.jpg for a good example of a properly uploaded image. Axem Titanium 03:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merging a page

I'm looking to merge Chinese Amazons with Locations in Ranma ½ but have no idea how to go about this. Is there a good mechanism for this? Derekloffin 21:36, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Please read WP:MOVE and WP:RM. Xiner (talk, email) 21:39, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] New Ranma section pages

Hi, I mentioned this at Brokensphere's talk page as well. Given that you seem to be the head maintainer, could you help me out in setting up the 'Battle recods', and more importantly 'Chapter by chapter characteristics reference' pages in a few days? Some of them (Ranma & Akane) are turning extremely (8 page+) long, but they really need to get out, to clean up the entire fandom mess, so people can swiftly browse and check for themselves. I could send them over to either of you and let you edit out irrelevant information before adding them if you'd like? Dave 15:46, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Just an update. Apparently it wasn't ok to add the battle records page to Wikipedia, so I screwed up, but quickly cleaned up my mess, but I learned that it was ok to create Wikifarms and then add closing links to them at the end, so it worked out all right. Better than intended in fact, since I could set up and link to the profile references as well. Feel free to use them at will. :) Dave 19:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Items in Ranma ½ page

Don't know if you've been following the debate, but the page was recently deleted. :( I've asked the admin responsible for a copy of the page and its talk page for archival purposes. --BrokenSphere 18:31, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I've been following it, but trying to keep out of it since my early comments since clearly the admin's don't care about their own rules. *opens mouth, closes it in disgust* I think I'm just going to take a little break for a few days as the admins here have lost all my respect. Derekloffin 18:57, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Please try not to take it too hard. This guy actually seems sensible. He was ok with re-uploading it once the references and shortening down was cleared up. That said the rules tend to be extremely tangled, confusing, and even contradictory, when applied in mismatched situations, so I can see how it's not all that easy to 'correctly' implement them. Dave 13:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


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[edit] The main Ranma ½ article

It was recently semi-butchered to a format without any character images, due to previously missing fair use rationales. I think I've pasted acceptable versions into all of them except Taro (due to a weird filter at this particular computer), but can't currently revert it without risking missing words for the very same reason. So is there any chance you could restore the version before Seraphimblade revisions, along with cutting a pasting one of the (virtually identical) justification texts in into the Taro image? Thanks for the help. Dave 19:57, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

You'll have to chat that out with Seraphimblade directly as apparently he doesn't feel rationales are good enough to warrant their restoration although I don't like the new format, it looks even worse than the old format. Perhaps one good full cast screen cap would do (I know the end of the manga has a two page spread with practically everyone, but that one is probably too much). Derekloffin 00:27, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
You mean similar to the one I composed for Ranma's sparring partners from the end of the first 6 OAV episodes? I like that idea. If you know some place where the full image (with all characters) are available, or something similar that would be great. Dave 14:14, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Ranma character image reduction

Since an admin's tagged the main minor characters page as possibly containing too many fair uses images, as we discussed here, I'm going to start going through this and the manga-only and anime-only pages and pulling images for the characters with the smallest writeups. If you disagree with some of the pulls I make, add them back in before they get deleted as a result of being orphaned. However I think it's better that we start pulling images where applicable and at least we were somewhat warned about it first, as opposed to someone else going in and pulling them all. BrokenSphereMsg me 15:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

I rerealized that I'm not as familiar as the anime as you might be, so I'll leave more up to you with re. from what to pull from here. Thanks. BrokenSphereMsg me 15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
I've gone thru and been pretty militant about it. I removed pretty much everyone that was just a toss away character with no character significance. Others, like Kogane are either temporary love interests of some character importance, or like Anna interesting in regards to Akari. Still would like a better ling ling lung lung pic. Only restored 1 pic you took out as they appear 3 times (no including the Christmas episode which I always exclude). Derekloffin 01:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for your understanding. Not counting the Xmas OAV is a good point. I don't know if you follow the Naruto articles at all, but they were gutted today. If the same thing happens here, if the pic use is much less than it previously was, it could be argued that retention is justified, although even then I'm not too optimistic. I'm thinking of removing the movie charas as well since they only appear once. BrokenSphereMsg me 01:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
I suppose the best way to look at it is to be pretty militant at the start. You can always add them back later if it was too much. Derekloffin 03:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ranma images being pulled

Hiya. I just thought I'd give you a heads-up that lots of images are currently being pulled, or are in danger of being pulled, for a very silly reason. The format has been modified to require providing a direct link to the referral page in question at the top. Several nice images on the minor characters page have already gone down, and I'm recurrently auto-'threatened' for the ones at "musabetsu kakuto ryu", and "fighting techniques". I pasted a standardisation on a few of them, but I'm out of time right now, and if you could find some people willing to go through all the Ranma images one by one to modify to the current required format (paste a link to the page they are used in) that would be great. Thanks. Dave 17:17, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

I've updated the FURs for only those images that had them in all the Ranma articles. The bot notices seem to affect only these for the moment. I didn't add FURs for those images without them. BrokenSphereMsg me 20:10, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Excess fair use image in Ranma character articles

This was raised on the WP:Anime and on the main Ranma talk page. I agree that we have to cut down on the images, but have been waiting for you and Dave to chip in to the discussion before removing any of your uploads. I should also add that if you have orphaned images which you would like to delete, a faster way to do this and avoid all the bot notices is to tag them yourself with {{db-author}}. BrokenSphereMsg me 19:46, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, I definitely agree there are too many as is. While many are helpful, most are generally don't pass the need rule. Don't worry about removing any that I may have uploaded, I'm fine with it. I would personally limit it to 1 per character myself. Derekloffin (talk) 21:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the understanding. Dave though has most of the uploads, but hasn't been on in a few days. I'll ping him to direct his attention to the discussion. If you don't mind looking through the articles yourself especially at the minor characters who were merged in, particularly those who were manga only, as I'm not sure how much page time they had, and making a call on whether or not their pics if any should stay or go, that would be appreciated. If you think we need to come up with a threshold of notability for retaining an image, let me know and we can discuss on the main Ranma talk page. Thanks. BrokenSphereMsg me 23:24, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
I've gone thru all the pages that popped up on my watch list for this. I commented them out in most cases rather than outright removal just in case. Derekloffin (talk) 00:03, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Flagging down an Admin

You are very welcome. Probably the fastest way is to post about the new socks at WP:AN/I or WP:SSP (the latter has a backlog). Ruhrfisch ><>°° 04:51, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Things you should be aware of

My concern at the bottom here goes unanswered. Perhaps you can shed some light? And I too have noticed that JJonz continues his time wasting sock attacks. Did you know that you can have ips blocked? Just follow the right CHECKUSER procedure. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 21:32, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

I wasn't the one to change them so that's why I didn't respond and had no real argument (beyond the misgivings I've already talked about). The current setup is fine by me. I would prefer references if possible, but that preference isn't strong enough to raise a big fuss over it.Derekloffin (talk) 22:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Oh and thanks for pointing that out, but I'm thinking he's using different IPs (probably using a school connection or something similar) so I doubt it would be effective sadly. Derekloffin (talk) 22:21, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Think it's still possible, though it might be best if we asked Daniel. Did you see his latest sock‎? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 20:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Nope, but apparently he didn't last long. Good riddens. Derekloffin (talk) 20:28, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-vandalism Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For continuous efforts against vandalism. Dave (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Dababyboyzno3

Looks like another sock of you know who. *rolls eyes* BrokenSphereMsg me 17:27, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Yep, he actually has two, that one and Jaksonbrwn31. Derekloffin (talk) 18:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there a fast way to get socks blocked on sight? Filling out the suspected sock forms over and over again can get tedious. BrokenSphereMsg me 19:14, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Since he's a known vandal and sock puppet user, try posting on WP:AN/I or WP:SSP (mentioned above in the flagging down topic). Just mention that they are likely socks of JJonz and an admin should be pretty quick in responding. That worked quite well last time I used it. He's so darn obvious it's not hard for them to identify him once pointed out.Derekloffin (talk) 19:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I still think blocking his many ips will help ... Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:13, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Well, I'm all for that. This is getting very tiresome. Derekloffin (talk) 22:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Indeed. Glad you're convinced now Derek. Only question is: who will make the CU report? I have hundreds of pages to look at in my watchlist so I can't do it ASAP. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:19, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
If I feel motivated enough to slog my way thru the rules, I might, but that's asking a lot of me :). Derekloffin (talk) 22:35, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I've done a CU request once (I think) but I'll have to read the layout myself. Perhaps User:BrokenSphere can do this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 22:45, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
I'm already giving it a go. Hopefully I get it right. Takes a while though, he has a lot of socks. Derekloffin (talk) 22:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
Okay, I can help now. I added vandal Bluerockett. Think we're still missing a couple. I'll scope em out. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
And reported the rest, but I hope the checkuser can find the sleeping accounts as well, if there are any. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 00:42, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
WOOT! Let's just hope it holds :). Derekloffin (talk) 01:50, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
This guy has an unhealthy obsession with David A. O___o BrokenSphereMsg me 15:27, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
His more well-known 'sockpuppeteer handle' seems to be PWeeHurman as more of them appear to have actually been IP-identified, including Marsjohn123. A petty, psychotic, completely honourless serial-liar, and attention-whoring, infantile, troll vandal turns obsessed with me for a year+ because I have the temerity to matter of fact quote instances he doesn't like to acknowledge, or clear up a few inaccurate statements, and has pm-ed some of the mods who tried to intervene with death threats. It's not like someone like that was ever healthy in the first place.
With my luck he may be an old Internet acquaintance I used to get along with, and who is aware of my account here, as he has begun to think and behave in nearly exactly the same way recently, including the multiple socks. and trolling mytomaniac mindset. The claim of being a graduate of communications fits, but he's only interested in anime as far as I'm aware, not US comics, and it seems like way too much of a coincidence to bump into him here in an unrelated matter. Dave (talk) 20:14, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, we added PWee to the list too. Hopefully this will be the last we see of the putz, knock on wood. Derekloffin (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
Don't count on it. He's used a router to quickly swap IPs in the past, and switched locations as well. There are plenty of ways to get around it, and I seem to have gone from a hate-object to an entertaining hobby in his mind. The fuel tends to last longer that way. Dave (talk) 20:27, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: User 69.244.125.218 edits

From a look of this anon's edits can't say it's a sock, however, not sure who would be manipulating it. Any ideas? Could be a shared ip. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:50, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't it's JJonz or anything, but sadly he's not the only vandal around here. Like I said, some of his edits are fully legit. Others are total BS. So, I really don't know what to make of him, and what to do about edits he is making that are unconfirmable. A blanket revert doesn't seem appropriate, since at least some seem correct, but when you taint your credibility like this I don't know if we should let it through. Derekloffin (talk) 18:39, 10 April 2008 (UTC)