User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ

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[edit] Are you a Kiwi?

i.e. Are you Zealander??--123FM (talk) 11:08, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes indeed!

Thank you!--123FM (talk) 12:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Welcome

Hello, DerbyCountyinNZ! Welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions to this free encyclopedia. If you decide that you need help, check out Getting Help below, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and ask your question there. Please remember to sign your name on talk pages by clicking or using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. Finally, please do your best to always fill in the edit summary field. Below are some useful links to facilitate your involvement. Happy editing! Cheers, :) Dlohcierekim 00:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC) Getting started Wikipedia tutorial • The five pillars of Wikipedia • Getting mentored How to: edit a page • upload and use images Getting help Frequently asked questions • Tips Where to ask questions or make comments Request administrator attention Policies and guidelines Neutral point of view • No original research Verifiability • Reliable sources • Citing sources What Wikipedia is not • Biographies of living persons Manual of Style • Three-revert rule • Sock puppetry Copyrights • Policy for non-free content • Image use policy External links • Spam • Vandalism Deletion policy • Conflict of interest • Notability The community Build consensus • Resolve disputes Assume good faith • Civility • Etiquette No personal attacks • No legal threats Community Portal • Village pump Signpost • IRC channels • Mailing lists Writing articles Be bold in editing • Develop an article The perfect article • Manual of style Stubs • Categories • Disambiguation Pages needing attention • Peer review Miscellaneous User name • User pages • Talk pages Clean up: General - Spam - Vandalism Join a WikiProject • Translation Useful templates • Tools • User scripts

[edit] Godfrey Rampling

Ever since the death of Roger Beaufrand, the position of "oldest living Olympic champion" has remained vacant. The oldest I could find was Godfrey Rampling, hence I added him to my watchlist to see if any new information would arise. What do you think? Oldest? Or is there someone older? Also, the issue of the oldest living Olympic athlete (with or without medal) was discussed at Talk:Arthur Marshall (engineer), with no conclusive results (though I did manage to eliminate many possible candidates). Cheers, CP 02:31, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Something I have wondered about for a while! Which is why I made a list of the oldest and earliest medallists and Champions for all track and field events (I hope to make a page out of it eventually). Rampling is the oldest of either sex for any medal as far as I can find. The oldest female medallists appear to be Eileen Hiscock (25 Aug 09) for 4x100 and Marjorie Clark (6 Nov 09) for 80H. Oldest Gold medallist is Evelyn Furtsch (17 April 14) for 4x100. There are no death dates for most of the relay medallists from 1932 and 1936 which I suspect is omission rather than evidence that they are still living.

I was going to check on the swimming medallists next but there are too few entries to make it worth while. Haven't even looked at other sports. This site: [1] has some good info (including Pietro Rava last 1936 Football Gold medallist) but unfortunately seems to have stopped at December 06. Cheers, DerbyCountyinNZ 10:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Ooh, I was thinking of playing around with that idea in my sandbox too, but not just with medalists, with all Olympians too. I think I'm going to to a little bit of a prototype today and then keep adding to it bit by bit. Anyhow, keep up the good work! Cheers, CP 14:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Here's my prototype. Since I don't plan on making this a page, feel free to take, steal, mangle etc. to your liking. Cheers, CP 15:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Just for the record, I'm not sure that Augustin Chantrel is alive, or even made it to 100. Cheers, CP 03:13, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't sure that I should add him to the centenarians list, I should have asked if you intended to or not. I assume that as his bio was only started this year it was after his 100th last year (assuming the 11.11.06 DoB is correct) and that he is more than likely still alive.DerbyCountyinNZ 06:25, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Not only did the source for Chantrel provide his ever-elusive date of death, but it also provided us a source for the last three likely "oldest living Olympic athletes" – Lajos Homonnai followed by Carmelo Camet and then by Signe Johansson-Engdahl. Cheers, CP 00:48, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

It's great to get more information! I wonder if starting some sort of page would help in filling in the blanks...?DerbyCountyinNZ 01:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

The only problem would be that the whole "oldest living athlete" thing is very subjective. Looking at the American papers, for example, they were claiming in 2002 that a woman born in 1906 was the oldest living Olympian which, at the very least, ignored Marshall, Homonnai, Camet, Johasson-Engdahl, Feroze Khan and, strangely enough, their own James Stillman Rockefeller. The Olympic committee only puts in the effort for tracking the gold medal winners – thus we have a clear lineage from Rockefeller to Khan to Roger Beaufrand... I don't mean to discourage you, and I'd love to help, I just suspect it wouldn't last long. Once that Olympic project is released to the public, however, it may become much more plausible. Cheers, CP 01:46, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair enough! I've thought of raising it on the trackandfieldnews messageboard, I'm sure there's plenty of people on there who could provide useful info but I don't know whether other sports have the same kind input. Might be a few weeks before I get onto it...a few other things to sort out first!!Cheers.DerbyCountyinNZ 02:01, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

You mean like this? Haha. Cheers, CP 02:22, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

A-ha! Exactly what I was after!!DerbyCountyinNZ 02:36, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

I found a gold medalist older than Rampling but younger than Beaufrand who may still be living Robert Wyman. A new contender for the oldest living gold medalist. Cheers, CP 02:29, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Definitely an intersting person! A champion athlete who won a Gold medal in Ice Hockey, for Britain (probably happens all the time in Canada)!!!DerbyCountyinNZ 23:39, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Another possibility in the "good news" category: Joachim Spremberg. By the way, I hope you don't mind me bringing these things up on your talk page... it's getting kind of long... Cheers, CP 04:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

No worries!! Can't keep track of everything so it all helps!DerbyCountyinNZ 04:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Thomas Richards

Just to let you know, there's an error on your user page. Thomas Richards (athlete) of the Marathon is deceased. Cheers, CP 04:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! The DoD has just been added in the last couple of days. I had a feeling he might have already died...DerbyCountyinNZ 04:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Another recently added DoD: Amelia Piccinini. Cheers, CP 14:35, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! I suspect there are a few more out there that will eventually be updated. Btw, I had a quick look on the OlyMAD site for a few swimmers but there is too much information missing.E.g. of the 1932 Japanese 4x200 relay squad of 6 there is a DoD for only 1, whereas the last USA swimmer from the same event died in the 1990s!DerbyCountyinNZ 00:03, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Piccinini's replacement Klavdia Tochonova is deceased as well. Cheers, CP 18:12, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

More bad news: John Woodruff died on October 30. Cheers, CP 16:34, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That's a real shame! Well, I suppose they all are, but he was a biggie...DerbyCountyinNZ 08:34, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

According to this site Marjorie Clark is deceased as well (tot means dead in German). I'm not sure how reliable it is, but all the other ones on the site that were listed as dead (they have many Olympians from different fields) were either listed as "possibly living" or were dead. Clark was the only one that was listed in the "Living people" category. I added the information, but what are your thoughts? Cheers, CP 17:36, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, although it's likely she is deceased I think I'll wait for confirmation, and preferably a DoD. OlyMAD has DoDs for non-medallists and even non-finalists so missing a medallist would be unusual if not unlikely!DerbyCountyinNZ 23:16, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

You're not having much luck with your lists! Delbert Mann (oldest and earliest Academy Award winner for Best Director) has died. Cheers, CP 23:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I hope it's not some sort of curse!!!DerbyCountyinNZ 01:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Herb McKenley has died. Whatever you do, please don't add me to any tables of yours. =P Cheers, CP 02:35, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh dear! They're falling faster than the WWI vets!!DerbyCountyinNZ (talk) 10:03, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Lillian Palmer has been deceased since 2001. Cheers, CP 17:59, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

John Winter of the high jump died on December 5. Cheers, CP 20:01, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

According to Violet Webb's obituary, all British female athletes born before her (February 3, 1915) are deceased. Cheers, CP 18:44, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for that, always thought it was likely that if there were any still alive from the 1930s there would be some news about them somewhere.

This may be of use to you - it lists the five oldest Canadian living Olympians as of Summer 2005. Of those, the first three (Tancock, Saunders and Meretsky) have already died. It's notable because it indicates that Eva Dawes and Dorothy Brookshaw must have died, otherwise they'd be listed (and certainly, as medal winners, it's highly unlikely that they would have been overlooked). Cheers, CP 17:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

It would seem so. Strange that there is no reference to her death online, I would have thought it would be mentioned somewhere...

[edit] NZ-geo-stubs

Gidday, fan of the Rams! This is just a short note to say that, since there are now a huge number of New Zealand geography stubs, each region has its own stub template. So if you're making any more stubs like Port Underwood (good work, BTW!), then you can add {{Marlborough-geo-stub}} rather than the genetic {{NZ-geo-stub}}. Cheers! Grutness...wha? 00:05, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers! I'll make sure I check for the region next time!!DerbyCountyinNZ 00:33, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Oldest Olympians

I see that you are gathering info about oldest olympians. I have couple of more for you, hope these help:

• If to believe Hungarian Olympic Committee, then Zoltan Soós-Hradetzky (bronze medallist in shooting in 1932) died just two months short of his 105th birthday in February 2007 [2] (under Sportolónév type Hradetzky and hit enter, no direct link possible).

• The oldest lived Olympic medallist to my knowledege was Finland's Jalmari Kivenheimo. ISOH Obituary (pdf document).

• Sweden's Count Louis Pehr Sparre (4th place in fencing in 1912) lived over 101 years [3].

Also Yevgeni Maskinskov died already in 1985. I have edited his page accordingly.

Gh 12:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Here's a fun one: Dirk Janssen, oldest Olympian (with or without a medal) ever. Cheers, CP 17:25, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This might be of interest to you. I'm surprised that the BOA missed a medalist as obvious Godfrey Rampling! Cheers, CP 19:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

So am I!!!

[edit] Request for Comment on List of the verified oldest people

A request for comment has been initiated at Talk:List of the verified oldest people. As you have been involved in the issue, you may wish to comment there. Cheers, CP 00:21, 4 May 2008 (UTC)