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[edit] DERA SACHA SAUDA definition

DERA SACHA SAUDA is a spiritual organization, which is based in Sirsa, Haryana, India. The Organization has 30 Million followers(???!!!! Please Validate this Number!!???) all across the globe.

The organization is altogether unique since no gift, alms or donations in cash or in any form are accepted (???????? PLEASE VALIDATE THIS Govt records show that 700 + acres of land in sirsa alone is donated by small farmers to Dera)). The practical method of meditation is, without obligation, taught to attain salvation during this human life. This organization is a perfect guiding example of harmony and universal brotherhood amongst the people of different castes and religions. The inhabitants of the ashram work with all zeal in the agricultural fields and the income from the produce was utilized for social welfare activities and meets the expenses of the organization.

I don't speak up much, but I'd like to nominate this article for a POV check. This article will be receiving an awful lot of traffic in the coming days and months due to the current events, and it reads like a press release. I have no prior knowledge of or interest in the subject, but I came here looking for information and was unsatisfied with the tone and scope of the article, which reads more like a recruitment pamphlet than a scholarly entry. For instance, there's a press release sitting right above my entry here, on the TALK page.

Lmj81 00:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

This article seems alter just to make negative image of the Spritual Guru by other religion's people. Must be edited again.

This page is soon going to become a virtual battle ground for people inciting hatered in the name of faith. please some responsible person moderate the editing

I agreed with User Lmj81, and i'd like to nominate few of the sections as controvetial. Divakerbhalla 06:32, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I know very well that Dera Saucha sauda is a very good, pure and holy organisation and is always working in favour of humanity. It is the only place on this earth where all four relegions (hindu, muslim, sikh and cristan) pray together and come to know that god is one. Relegion is made by people not by god. I have seen the dera from very near, there is nothing wrong in it. I love and respect dera from the bottom of my heart and soul. The false operation by India TV cannot slip the hearts of followers. When the truth will publically open, these channels and politicians will try to hide there face but will not able to find place.

Gaurav Kataria (Meetu) Now Gaurav Insan

i know dera sacha sauda very closely. all the fuss currently being created by some anti socialists is just a measure to defame the pious institution. Even a single word against dss is not true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mentos007 (talk • contribs) 08:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Operation Dera Jhoota Sauda by India TV was a fake operation and video shown by them can prove nothing, but it was a big heart of Dera Sacha Sauda that they had not sue India TV for that. Otherwise India TV would have to suffer like Live India TV.

Gaurav Kataria Now Gaurav Insan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.134.76.54 (talk) 12:13, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Neutrality

The article has been marked with a POV tag for quite some time; however many of the POV complaints listed above refer to either a much older version of the article or to comments left on this talk page. Can editors please list specific POV issues they have with this article so that those can be corrected ? Thanks. Abecedare 20:17, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move

request that the article be moved back to its original title of Dera Sacha Sauda from where it was moved by Raven toor (talk · contribs) on July 31st with the edit-summary, "People are having contradictions about its definition." . Here are some of the sources in the article that use the name "Dera Sacha Sauda" for the organization:

Google news provides a few hundred other citations. Abecedare 17:02, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SACH

whatever you maanmukhi people write about dera, no matter how hard you try to defame the DERA SACHA SAUDA, you will never ever get success because Dera is run by the Saint. Here, Saint means true Saint not like money maker Saint. The Dera Sacha Sauda Saint is beyond your limit of thoughts. Your thoughts and imigination what dera sacha sauda is, more accurately, say not even a drop of water against the OCEAN. Remember, Death is real truth. You also have to die oneday. Don't make silly or irresponsible statements against the Saint. Saint are above from birth and death. You all who is against dera seems to be like Aurangjab who tried to defame and control GURUSAHIBANS. Now adays Sikhs have forgotten what all GURUJIS taught to them, they are now trying to use Sikh religion as a shield for selfish work. An example, an article published in Rajasthan Patrika about use of religion for selfish work. How sensitive it is for a Sikh fellow to get married to his daughter in front of Pure Gurugarnt Sahib just for the sake to go to canada. Isn't it Disgusting? most hedious work. Use of religion for own benefit. Shame on you. Learn something. This earth is never ever without Saints. Believe it or not. This time a sacha Saint is in Dera Sacha Sauda. Something for media people, do you believe BBC, NDTV say you the truth? who are they? Are they GOD'S voice? NO they are business man. people who can say everthing for money. they can even say sister to their wife, wife to their mother for money. So Sach is in your heart. And a key to open your heart is with Saint. A ture saint is in Dera Sacha Sauda Sirsa. So get NAAM from Dera sacha sauda and find the GOD. There are three precautions as well. first, Don't eat meat and egg. I am sure lots of people who eat meats and eggs can not digest that dera is against eating meat and eggs. Second, Don't drink alcohol/ liqour. No surprise why many sikh fellow and Govt. against dera as it effects their business. Third, consider opposite sex as per their age daughter/son, sister/brother, mother/father. Can you do that. i am sure extremely hard. But thats the way to find GOD—Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.89.128 (talk) 01:57, 2 June 2008 (UTC)