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[edit] Requested move

Proposal  : Departments of France → Départements of France
Rationale :   More than one département addressed plus "of" to give sense of belonging to France rather than other countries that use the term.
Proposer : David Kernow 18:10, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey and discussion

Please add  * Support  or  * Oppose  followed by a brief explanation and then your signature ("~~~~").

  • Support as nom. David Kernow 18:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support per other Département articles. joturner 18:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC) Oppose Plurality is not a reason for moving a page. However, I would support a move to Département of France as it sounds more correct. joturner 18:18, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. john k 20:17, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support--Aldux 22:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Support - Kiwipete 09:21, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Consensus

As a result of the consensus reached above, the page was moved on 1 July 2006 by User:El C. Kiwipete 08:51, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] (How to edit?)

Wondering how to edit the "départements" entries? The Wikipedia:WikiProject French departements standards might help.

[edit] Disambiguation

The following departements will need disambiguation:

Any thoughts on how to do this? Eg:

See WikiProject French departements.

Cher (département) and Var (département) appear to have been dismbiguated. AdamMorton 02:39, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Standard presentation for population, area, prefecture & ss.pref.: (ideas needed: rough idea on Hauts-de-Seine)

See also Wikipedia:WikiProject French departements - User:Olivier

From the article: "Reorganisations of the Paris region and the division of Corsica have added a further seven". I make it 6: one in corsica, and 91 - 95 in Paris. -- Tarquin, Monday, June 24, 2002

Can we identify which departements belong in which regions? -- Zoe

There is 6 overseas départements (DOM) not 4 as suggest the article. 62.212.103.37 20:39 Sep 16, 2002 (UTC)


See edit to the article. 4 DOM, 3 TOM + other collectivites. - User:Olivier


Here is an interesting link (in French): 1999 census, including population of regions, departements and cities of more 100,000 inhabitants. Caution: "Aires urbaines de plus de 50,000 habitants" doesn't give the population of the cities, but the population of the "urban area", the city and its surroundings. http://www.dgcl.interieur.gouv.fr/publications/CL_en_chiffres/CL2001_ch01.pdf - User:Olivier

Does anyone have a useable source for maps of individual départements? RickK 04:05, 4 Sep 2003 (UTC)

[edit] Aesthetics

Just my opinion, but I find that blue-and-pink "This article is part of the series..." box at top right of this article visually unappealing and off-putting. Don't such messages, in any case, belong at the bottom of the article, and can't this particular one be much better designed? -- Picapica 21:26, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Another referenece

Here is an explination of French local governement I wrote a few years ago:

http://www.business-in-europe.com/gb/regions/regions_explained.htm


[edit] Former Departments

Can the former Corsican departments be separated/unlinked from the current ones?

[edit] Proposing move

Hello all- I made a proposal regarding this article that may be of interest to you: Wikipedia:Requested_moves#13_October_2006. -Eric (talk) 18:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

It was requested that this article be renamed but the procedure outlined at WP:RM#How to request a page move did not appear to be followed, and consensus could not be determined. Please request a move again with proper procedure if there is still a desire for the page to be moved. Thank you for your time! -- tariqabjotu 09:39, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
Take 2 is below, this time after reading all the instructions. -Eric (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was Move to Departments of France. Duja 07:56, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Départements of France → Department (France) — The English word "department" includes as one of its meanings the French word "département." The en Wikipedia should not be attempting to have a French language entry for a common French term that has long-established equivalent in the English language. In keeping with what I think is standard Wikipedia procedure for disambiguating terms, the format for this kind of article title should be: <English_term (specific_use)>. If this proposal is accepted, the en article Département should redirect to the proposed new page, and a link to the new page should be placed on the disambiguation page Department. -Eric (talk) 14:25, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Survey

Add  * '''Support'''  or  * '''Oppose'''  on a new line followed by a brief explanation, then sign your opinion using ~~~~.

[edit] Discussion

Add any additional comments:

  • If the page is moved, are you going to go through all the articles on all the départements and all cities and towns and arondissements -- basically every geographical article of France -- and change every instance of département to "department"? For instance:

Located in the Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur région, Nice is a commune and the préfecture (administrative capital) of the Alpes-Maritimes département. (-from article Nice)

This is similar to the dozen or so articles I just spot-checked. How far will you take anglicization? --SigPig 06:43, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There are also many instances of the English word in en Wikipedia articles about France. If we follow my suggestion in the reason for move, any links pointing to the page Département would automatically re-direct to the new page "Department (France)"/"Departments of France." In any case, as I said above, the word exists in English and means what it means in French, so it should be used in English-language articles. That sentence in the Nice article should read: "...Nice is a commune and the prefecture (administrative capital) of the department <of> Alpes-Maritimes." Note that prefectureis also an English word. -Eric (talk) 14:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

[edit] Orientation

I like the way this article provides references to US and English counties to provide orientation.--Dmz5 17:13, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Single use flag templates

According to User:Andrwsc/Obsolete country data templates, the following flag templates are currently used only in Departments of France:

We are in the process of a bit of a consolidation of the flag templates and I would like to ask, if the article writers on this article here would agree if I would replace the calls of the above listed templates on this article here with their direct expansion. This would mean I would replace for example

{{flagcountry|Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg}}

with

[[Image:Lueneburg.jpg|22x20px|Flag of Brunswick-Lüneburg]] [[Brunswick-Lüneburg|Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg]].

User:Andrwsc expressed the concern that it is a bit overkill to have flag templates for these uncommon "countrys" to use them on a single article. If there no objections, I would do this and then delete the flag templates listed above. Thanks. --Ligulem 12:56, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I've expanded the flag template calls in the table under "Napoleonic Empire" [1]. If there aren't any complaints, I will delete the now unused country data templates listed above. --Ligulem 18:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bourbon restoration

Was the departmental system retained by Louis XVIII and Charles X, or did they try to bring back the old provinces? 68.40.65.164 22:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vehicle plates

Found something that needs to be updated:

The départements are numbered: their two-digit numbers appear in postal codes, in INSEE codes (including "social security numbers") and on vehicle number-plates, though this last usage will mostly disappear with a new car plate scheme due for 2006.

Well? Was the "scheme" (is that the right word to be using?) implemented? Funnyhat 05:18, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Map

At first glance of the map I thought the numbers in the table below corresponded to the map, however this is not the case and it may be worthwhile including the numbers in the table in a seperate column. unfortunatly I have no idea which department matches which number so this may require someone which knows more about french geography/local goverment. Waacstats (talk) 10:56, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi- If you are referring to the departments map and list on the article page, it looks to me like they are all correct (i.e. the numbers on the department polygons in the map correspond to the ones in the table, and have the correct names next to them). -Eric talk 17:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)