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[edit] proposed update about DIBS

On Tuesday, I plan to provide the requested citations about DIBS and his history with a link to this page from the DePaul athletics site: http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=15600&KEY=&ATCLID=1285279

Kris (talk) 17:27, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed update

The crest that was placed on the page is a trademarked image that is not available for public use or authorized through Creative Commons. I will remove it on Wednesday AM. I am happy to replace it with the DePaul logo that was removed previously.

Kris (talk) 16:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed update to endowment figure

On Monday, I plan to update the endowment figure to its current level, $344.7 million, and remove the errant link to a non-relevant document. Kris (talk) 19:37, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed update to Leonard Jason mention

On Monday I plan to add a link to professor Leonard Jason's ranking by the Journal of Psychology at follows http://psychology.unc.edu/news/Documents/jlclinpsy-top-producers-1.pdf

Kris (talk) 19:45, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed update to statistics

Fall 2007 enrollment data is now available. On Thursday, I plan to update the figures as follows:

Total enrollment - 23,401 Total undergrads - 15024 Total grads - 7353 Total law - 1,024

Total fulltime faculty - 882

I will make these updates on Thursday unless someone objects.

Kris 15:31, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed revision to basketball edit

This edit was placed following a previous statement that refers to the 2007-08 season. I propose placing it in front of that statement and revising the year to read 2006-07, as follows.

"In the 2006-07 season, the Blue Demons beat powerhouse #5 Kansas, pulling off one of the greatest upsets in school history. They also beat 2006 NCAA tournament teams California, Northwestern State, Marquette, and Villanova. The team made it to the NIT and lost in the bracket final to Air Force.

At the start of the 2007-08 season, Wainwright is two wins short of 200 and has made six post-season appearances in his previous 12 years as head coach."


Kris (talk) 16:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Response to anonymous poster

You added this phrase to the discussion about Mr. Klocek on Nov. 12: "peaceful and out of the classroom as they may have been."

It is true that the incident in question happened in a public area in the student union. However, many people there did not consider the incident peaceful. That is why students concerned about Mr. Klocek's behavior called campus security twice. I do not believe that "peaceful" meets the test of objectivity and intend to remove it on Thursday, pending further discussion of your post with you.

Kris 18:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Process that will be followed for edits that may have a conflict of interest

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In that spirit, we are using this page to alert readers that I and other members of University Relations will employ the following process when making edits to articles about DePaul University, its components and its employees.

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Kris —Preceding comment was added at 18:39, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removal of unfavorable comments

I would like to provide some additional factual information about one of the free speech items under Controvery. The item as currently written has an error of fact and leaves out important information on why university decisions were made. I would like to discuss this with the author(s) of the comment so that, ideally, we can agree on a revised entry that achieves NPOV. How do I get in touch with that author?

Good article on status of Thomas lawsuit against DePaul for infringing on his 1st ammendment rights, libel, slander, etc.: http://americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5540Incorrect 13:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I have removed the words following conservative groups (dealing with FIRE) "objecting to its Catholicism." I have no idea what that means - the Catholic church (or if intended as a small c) universiality? In any case, since the issues raised are free speech issues, either meaning is inappropriate - FIRE has certainly never said it objects to C(c)atholicsim, and any claim that it does so should be sourced.Incorrect 01:07, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Do not remove truthful statements simply because they put your favorite university in a less-favorable light. Wikipedia is not DePaul. Censorship is less welcome here.

If DePaul doesn't like being called weak on free speech, then they need to change their behavior, not censor Wikipedia entries.

What Catholic groups request the LGBT program be ended? Please add a footnote or evidence, or it will deleted. Students who do not register for wikipedia and put forth an unsourced piece of bias should know that their commentary can and will be cut out.

  • Added my LGBT program paragraph back, with citation to the first article about it I found. It should also be noted that I'm an alumni of DePaul, not a student. -- Loco830/Espio (Rant) 17:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Weasel Words Tag

"DePaul's philosophy program is also widely noted for excellence in education and research, and is also noted for it's graduate studies program in continental philosophy."

Quotes such as these compromise neutrality; this article ALREADY reads like an ad as is!

Also "Some supporters of the University have argued that these concerns have been blown out of proportion or that the recent controversies are part of a concerted effort by certain campus Republicans to gain publicity." is loaded with bias.

[edit] Basketball

There have been numerous attempts to remove information about the DePaul basketball team's 17 December 2005 loss to Old Dominion by a score of 87-43. This is an important and unbiased fact about the University's history that should be kept.

[edit] Removal of law program information

I moved a bunch of info about the law program to the DePaul University College of Law page in order to avoid duplication

[edit] Finkelstein's affiliation

DePaul professor Norman Finkelstein is part of the political science department, which in turn is part of the College of Liberal Arts & Sciences. I moved his name and link from the College of Commerce, with which he is not affiliated, to the proper college. Please don't re-insert him into the College of Commerce -- that is an error of fact.

[edit] Site Needs Images

Can't we add some images to the DePaul Wiki site? Maybe pictures of a building from each of the colleges? Check out Wiki sites for Duke, Northwestern, etc. DePaul's is a beautiful campus; I've seen many nice images on the website and other places.Mc4932 22:52, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ward Churchill bomb threat

To my knowledge there was no bomb threat in regards to Ward Churchill's appearance. Unless proven, this sentence should be removed.

Attendence was limited after the Republican group asked to attend a Churchill workshop the next day:

From FIRE:

http://www.thefire.org/index.php/article/6618.html

[edit] Confusion with Depauw U.

The entry does not need the disclaimer regarding Depauw U. at the beginning. It compromises the value of this entry. If anything, that text should be at the bottom. Enough people know the difference between DePaul and Depauw (most people have never heard of the latter). It is redundant and there is no need to have information about the other university as the very first part of this entry. I have removed the text. If you reinsert it, please put it at the bottom or somewhere where it'd be less conspicuous. Mc4932 01:31, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

removed again on 2/11/07 Mc4932

Well I am sorry but it was right on the Depauw's one and it didnt make a difference to me so i guess it only bothers some people

i actually think it's a great idea. a friend of mine applied to depauw and i misheard it as being depaul. and the link at the top prevented me from tedious searchings for a correct spelling (though it probably wouldn't have taken very long). basically i think it serves a good function. maybe it can be reworded; that's my only problem with it. other than that, there's nothing wrong with it. Jay Bones 03:35, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The two colleges have very similar names, and I'm sure many are confused. The link to DePauw should appear at the top.--Gloriamarie 23:31, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

It breaks up the article and it looks bad. I made it into a prominently placed note. Mc4932 22:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Tenure denial

There is no basis in fact that Norman Finkelstein was denied tenure on basis of his views on holocaust as the article currently states. On the letter from DePaul president Dennis Holtschneider it was stated that: "In the opinion of those opposing tenure, your unprofessional personal attacks divert the conversation away from consideration of ideas, and polarize and simplify conversations that deserve layered and subtle consideration" [1]. So basically mr. Finkelstein was rejected as a "problematic individual". --Magabund 07:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

More accurately, DePaul's president said that about the decision-- that's not necessarily why all the board members voted the way they did.--Gloriamarie 23:32, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Gloriamarie is quite correct. Many see this as one of the reasons for people voting against tenure. '''Shawn''' (talk) 06:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Academics: Rankings

There was a long paragraph at the beginning of the academics section that listed favorable-sounding rankings for DePaul on a variety of narrow criteria. Those are great and appear to be accurate, but they paint an unrealistically rosy picture because they leave out something big. I added the overall US News ranking (from 2008 Best Colleges), which lists DePaul in the third tier (bottom half) for institutions of its class. Of course I left all the other accolades in place, but I thought it was important to add what is generally seen as the most comprehensive ranking to help put the others in context. --Brianwantium 17 August 2007

Good idea.--Gloriamarie 23:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Individial Sports Page

Every other bigtime school has an own page for sports. How about Depaul? Can someone make one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.162.61.87 (talk) 03:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] NPOV

this feels a bit too much like an ad to me--the constant disclaimers about ever-increasing excellence, anyone?--66.65.125.206 (talk) 03:08, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed grammatical corrections

On Thursday, I plan to correct the grammar in the following entry submitted anonymously on March 24: The 2007-08 season saw the demons with a 10-19 record but their was high points in the year. Depaul had upsets over then #15 and now 2008 tournament sweet sixteen Villanova and Big Ten Northwestern. Despite the record Depaul has a bright future with freshman Dar Tucker and Mac Koshwal coming with strong freshman years. Kris (talk) 14:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed edit to correct name

On Monday, I plan to edit the name of the computer science college, which changed its name on April 15 from the School of Computer Science, Telecommunications and Information Systems to the College of Computing and Digital Media. I also will update links to the college's new Web site and make any other edits related to this change. Kris (talk) 15:03, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Do you also plan on making a proposal to Move the CTI page to the new CDM name? I think this would be the best solution, since it would allow to keep the history of the name changes of the institution. CTI should then redirect to CDM. --Scaatt (talk) 06:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed restoration of comment

Madcoverboy removed information from the controversies section that provided a different point of view on whether DePaul suppresses freedom of speech. The information in this section was factual. I plan to restore it in three days, as it was originally posted, unless Madcoverboy or others wish to discuss this further.

Kris (talk) 15:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] proposed reorganization of bullets

The recently restored comment (see above) was originally inserted in response to the criticisms by FIRE. I propose reversing the order of the following two bullets to add clarity:

   * The administration attempts to maintain a position respectful of the range of student beliefs.[24] [25] On May 24, 2006, the university sponsored a forum on free speech for students, faculty and interested community members, which featured Randall Kennedy of Harvard Law School and Ann Franke of United Educators in Washington, DC, and included a discussion between the speakers and audience members.

   * In recent years, DePaul has been the target of criticism, for different reasons, by various conservative and free speech organizations, including some that oppose the university's inclusive Catholicism. The most active of the free speech groups is FIRE, a free speech civil rights advocacy group. FIRE gave the President of the University, Dennis H. Holtschneider, its award for the worst protector of Free Speech by a university president.[3]

I will also revise the now-incorrect name of the computer science school in the campuses section and add a link to the See Also section. I will make these changes on Thursday unless someone has an issue or wishes to make them first. 140.192.83.153 (talk) 18:01, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The CDM corrections were already fixed soon after the change. --Scaatt (talk) 20:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

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