User talk:DenisRS

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[edit] Ukraine

Hi Denis. I dropped by to tell that your recent edits to Ukraine#History are highly questionnable and POV-like. Please cite your sources immediately, or I'm going to revert your edits. Not only they contradict to my (vast local) knowledge, but also indirectly support the pro-Russian and separatist-driven POV - which is unuseful and inflammatory here on WP. Anyway, I know few guys who would revert your contributions there ASAP, not waiting for your explanations. Best wishes, Ukrained 22:49, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Denis, I see your logic and don't find your edit particularly offensive or anti-Ukrainian. As you may expect, people of different views gather here and when you add the info someone might not like, you have to be prepared to back it up with sources.
As for the particular edit, I think the corrections you made are within reason but not perfect. The second one, about the War is totally on the mark. The first one, about the famine is a little more complicated. You see, this is the article about the History of UA and not the History of the USSR. As such, adding that Russia suffered too in the form you did distorts the balance. The fact is that millions of Ukrainians died due to the criminal Soviet policies. In the USSR article we will write from the Soviet-wide perspective. This one should concentrate more on Ukraine.
Besides, there are two major views on the Ukrainian famine (aside from the lunatic view that it didn't happen at all). One view is that it was a result of specifically anti-Ukrainian policies of the Stalinist government with some scholars subscribing to this view. The other view is that Stalin's policy, being anti-peasant, affected Ukraine disproportionately simply because this was a more agri-cultural nation and some scholars subscribe to this view. You could read more about the debate at the discussion of the Holodomor article as well as in the Holodomor article itself. The latter is being far from optimal or balanced either and several editors are now having the conflicting opinions about the article.
Finally, since you are interested in Russian and Ukrainian topics, please check the Russia portal and Ukraine portal at Wikipedia. They would help you to get an idea of the coverages of these two countries. Please check the links to the notice boards at the portals, especially to "new article announcement boards" wich are worth adding to your Wikipedia watchlist. Regards, --Irpen 07:12, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for your voting!

Thanks!

Hi, thanks for your voting on my RFA. It has finished with the result 88/14/9, and I am promoted. I am really overwhelmed with the amount of support I have got. With some of you we have edited many articles as a team, with some I had bitter arguments in the past, some of you I consider to be living legends of Wikipedia and some nicks I in my ignorance never heard before. I love you all and I am really grateful to you.

If you feel I can help you or Wikipedia as a human, as an editor or with my newly acquired cleaning tools, then just ask and I will be happy to assist. If you will feel that I do not live up to your expectation and renegade on my promises, please contact me. Maybe it was not a malice but just ignorance or a short temper. Thank you very much, once more! abakharev 07:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Michael Jackson Nicknames

Hi DennisRS. There is an ongoing discussion on Talk:Michael_Jackson#Nicknames on how to deal with this issue. It appears to be coming close to a compromise. It is my hope that we would remove both nicknames from the opening paragraph and include them (with some explaination) further down in the article. Please read through that section and add any comments you like. Image:Monkeyman.pngMonkeyman(talk) 23:27, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jackson

Please stop removing 'Wacko Jacko' from the opening paragraph of the Michael Jackson article. A consensus has been reached on the talk page to keep the nickname. Funky Monkey 00:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Words from You "in my opinion" from Your last message at Talk are not "consensus" yet.
Please check the talk archives. Consensus was reached there. Funky Monkey 10:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello DenisRS! As you were unhappy with the previous more informal consensus on inclusion of "Wacko Jacko" as a feature of the lead of the article, I am now carrying out a more formal vote on the subject at Jackson's talk page. Please vote as I know this issue is important to you. Your voice counts! --Manboobies 03:36, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Politics

Thanks for your message. I appreciate the amount of time you put to write it and I am sorry to tell you that I simply don't have time for lengthy political discussions online. It would be interesting to discuss politics over a beer or something, if we ever meet, but our goal here is editing the encyclopedia. Let's stick to it and use the talk pages to discuss the articles. Please don't be put off and don't consider me rude. I simply have too little time for long emails about politics. Thanks for your understanding. If you need help with editing, feel free to ask. Счастливо! --Irpen 22:37, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I am totally all right with no further discussion going. I just wanted to be sure that the mail got delivered and that You now have chance to look at gas problem in the way of actual information, not misinformation of most of Western media. DenisRS 00:12, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Denis, when you update the numbers in the articles, please cite the sources of the new numbers you entered. CIA factbook is a source. If you claim it's less precise than another source you used, please cite yours in the article. Thanks, --Irpen 21:00, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually I added links in the body of "economics" section, figures are from there. And, of course, those are relevant figures, comparing to last years out-of-the-blue guessings by CIA. New figures are based on new actual official statistics data for 2005. DenisRS 15:33, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

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Greetings. It looks from the watermark like this image came from wenn.com -- which is a commercial content provider with a very restrictive and aggressive copyright policy, and there is no compelling fair use case for this particular image, so I have deleted it. It looks like you initally tagged it as noncommercial and then tagged it as GFDL-presumed. The GFDL-presumed tag should only be used for old images that were uploaded before the license terms were made more explicit upon uploader; the initial uploader of an image should never use it. Please let me know if I was in error. Thanks, Mindspillage (spill yours?) 00:28, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Raptor, Fulcrum, Flanker

Wouldn't the comparison of the Raptor to the Sukhoi Su-37 or Su-27 be more appropriate than the Fulcrum? Or are you deliberately using the term "2D thrust vectoring" (where the Sukhoi's is much more capable than either the Flanker or the Raptor). ... aa:talk 19:03, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

In terms of maneuverability, only Mig-35 can compete to F-22, because ability to have quick start means more than somewhat better 2D vectoring of Su-35. By the way, Mig-35's 2D-vectoring works fine, as well as 1D-vectoring in F-22. DenisRS 06:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions to Michael Jackson

Please see the discussion on the addtions and provide your own opinions. Thanks.--Ashadeofgrey (Talk) 10:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] saddams letter

Could you perhaps find a better source for the letter? It just looks plain weird. For example, why would he put "Long live jihad and the mujahedeen (the insurgency)"? And "This is how you want your brother, son or leader to be ... and those who will lead you (in the future) should have the same qualifications. ", not to mention the periods where there shouldn't be periods. It just looks strange to me. dposse 02:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, relax. I didn't mean to offend you. I just thought a slightly better source would help to clear up any confusion in the future. If you think the source you gave is perfectly fine, then ok. dposse 13:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Michael Jackson

Hello, I assure you that no one is trying to be "manipulative." It just seems like what you want to add is unnecessary detailed for the lead. Only the main allegations really matter at that stage in the article; later on, we can be as thorough as we'd like.UberCryxic 23:05, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but without detalization readers get totally distorted impression of true merit of the allegations and its credibility. Please see the updated variant. DenisRS 23:08, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Phrases like "true merit of the allegations" and "credibility" are a bit dangerous in this case, mainly because Wikipedia makes no claims to truth. We're not here to convict or exonerate Michael Jackson; a jury has already done that. The only way that readers would get a distorted impression is if we somehow prevented that information from being included, but that doesn't apply again. I am merely suggesting that it might be a better idea if that information was included in the body of the article.UberCryxic 23:13, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Your latest edits actually go far beyond what you wanted initially. At this point it is a bit too much. I am going to give you an opportunity to revert yourself, otherwise I'm sure that other people will eventually.UberCryxic 23:31, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

One more thing: please no more claims about the "credibility" of the charges. That's not up to you or I to decide. Wikipedia is not a court of law. We are only here to decide, in this context, whether the information presented in allegedly reputable sources merits inclusion in the lead.UberCryxic 23:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree with UberCryxic. To be using phrases such as "true merit of the allegations" and "credibility" is wrong by wikipedia standards. That is not for us to decide. And I strongly agree that listing the charges in the lead is inappropriate, considering that there is a whole PAGE devoted to the trial, as well as a section lower down. Keep the detail for the trial page. Please don't amass information onto the Michael Jackson page to paint and then support it with peacock and weasel phrases to paint him as a bad man. That is not for you or I to decide, as long as we are active on wikipedia. --Paaerduag 01:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry, but this getting rediculous. At no edit version there were or are phrases like "true merit of allegations" and "credibility". Wikipedia does not allow any estimations and judgements of the kind. However, by delibirately eliminating enumeration of claims against Jackson You just make readers think about *selected* allegations, which makes distorted picture.
And, of course, I am not here to "paint" Jackson. Readers should judge the merit of allegations by themselves, without you (or I) deciding for them that only molestation allegations should be named in the first part of article (what may lead them to conclusion that there were consistent, serious, and credible allegations in 1993 and 2003 -- and all of this only knowing part of allegations).
By the way, without telling to readers that the first allegations in 1993 came under the father who is registered swindler, the first segment of Jackson's article also gives distorted image to readers in this part, too. Let readers decide by themself whether to perceive those allegations seriously or not; but they have to know the information. Why You have to artifically change/manipulate readers' opinion by hiding information of them? All of my modifications are just few words so there is no point to argue here. If You prefer to move key facts of the allegations lower in the article, then there is no point to tell about allegations in the beginning of article at all, because readers may already make up their opininon on delibirately selective information, what it against of Wikipedia principles. DenisRS 09:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

There are no mentions of credibility in the actual statements, but there are mentions of credibility on your part as a reason for wanting to place the statements in the article. That's troubling in and of itself. We are giving readers the notable allegations in the lead. There were actually ten counts against Michael Jackson, including four lesser ones, and we cannot hope to do justice to all of them in the lead. Information like that is best reserved for the body. You keep bringing up manipulation and deception, which slightly worries me as you are not assuming good faith. We're not trying to mislead readers in any way. We're trying to give them a broad picture of Michael Jackson's life in the lead. That broad picture does not include hot air balloons. As Paaeduag explained in the last revert, you are flirting with a violation of 3RR. We are not opposed to having a conversation on this, but we must do so (hopefully) in the talk page of the article and see if we can come to some sort of agreements. Attempts to arbitrarily impose your own views and standards on other editors will only cause confrontation and heartache, so I urge you to please take this to the talk page if you think it is really important.UberCryxic 15:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

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