Talk:Dennis Johnson

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[edit] Please read WP:BLP and Wikipedia:Reliable sources

While dead, Johnson and his family have a reasonable expectation that information supplied to his bio be properly sourced and citeable. Poorly sourced information, rumors etc. cannot be used in this or any other bio. Ronbo76 15:25, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:External links#Links normally to be avoided states:
11. Links to blogs and personal webpages, except those written by a recognized authority.
Today's edit to a blog is hardly that. And, the site has pop-ups which is usually not a sign of a good site. Morenooso 16:14, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
It's a blog on the site of The Providence Journal, a reputable news source. Also, I do not get any pop-ups when I go to the site, and I do not have a pop-up blocker enabled...
The paper may be reputable. Blogs are not because they are subject to change. I have three Windows programs that monitor pop-ups. The best is Zone Alarms followed by Symantec's Norton with Windows pop-up blocker. When I went to the root site of the Providence Journal, it tried to install something. Prior to that, a site (zedo) set off all the alarms. An authorative site per the WP:EL talkpage is one ala scientific or medical research pages where noted individuals discuss industry trends. I sincerely doubt that a sport reporter's blog on a newspaper qualifies as authorative. Morenooso 16:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
Almost every national newspaper has a blog section. Also, by your logic, the ProJo can NEVER be used as a source ever. Kind of sounds foolish. Also, I looked into the WP:EL and saw nothing of what you said about "scientific or medical." In fact, it says this: Avoid: 11. Links to blogs and personal webpages, except those written by a recognized authority. Also, no information contained in this link qualifies as factually inaccurate material or unverifiable research. I believe you are making something out of a non-issue. I was asked to cite my source and I did, end of story. crazyd782
Sorry, I should have linked the WP:EL talkpage I mentioned above (Wikipedia talk:External links). I follow the conversations there (like my other Watchpages) and that is where the discussion about the authorative sources has come up. Blogs are everywhere. The problem with blogs is that they can be editted at will and do not have the scrunity as required by Wikipedia:Attribution which states that the "threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source." In fact, I now see that the discussion from Wikipedia talk:External links is now incorporated there as WP:SELFPUB where it says: "When a well-known, professional researcher writing within his or her field of expertise has produced self-published material, these may be acceptable as sources, so long as his or her work has been previously published by reliable, third-party publications." The key words are published by reliable third party sources. Wikipedia:Reliable sources defines reliable sources further. An online blog does not qualify as such. Morenooso 19:42, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Weight Issue

"A weight issue may have been a contributing factor to Johnson's early death" Without an official statement (or even official speculation) from the coroner or Johnson's personal physican, I don't think the above statement should be in the article -- it's just speculation. Readers know there is some correlation between obesity and premature death. Mentioning it here as speculation is disrespetful. 65.24.249.74 19:54, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

STOP SPREADING LIES ABOUT MY FATHER I am the son of Dennis Johnson. My friends have told me about this lie on Wikipedia. The authorities did not get it right about my father's case. It is one thing to keep this up, but this is completely not acceptable after his death. Please keep it off. Please leave this information alone. No need for this. He was a beloved person and his weight gain was nobodys business. If it needed to come out, smoking was more of a health issue with Dennis than anything else. If you want to do something in his honor, put out your cigarettes and never pick them up again!—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.63.113.38 (talk • contribs).

You'll have to excuse me if I find that just a bit unbelievable. And assuming it's true, than following your advice and removing information from the article would be a gross violation of WP:NPOV.--AgentCDE 21:42, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arrest record deletion

An anonymous IP has editted out the section about Johnson's arrest. In its most recent version, it was cited appropriately. Recommend it be re-instated. Ronbo76 13:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Dennis was an awesome player and a great man. There is no need to put accounts on here of an incident from so long ago and one where the charges were dropped.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.63.113.38 (talk • contribs) 21:02, 5 March 2007
Unfortunately it is public record and was properly cited. That makes it inclusive. Ronbo76 21:06, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unprotect, resolution proposal

Please un-protect this image. Please see [1] for Jimbo's statement on the outcome (to summarize): The image with watermark shall be deleted. I am proposing that this image be unprotected (on commons), reverted to the unwatermarked version. If Cavic reverts it to the watermarked version, or states otherwise that he wants it deleted, then it should be immediately deleted. In addition, the caption removed completely from the article page. If Cavic restores the caption in any capacity or states otherwise, the image shall immediately be deleted. --MECU≈talk 00:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

{{editprotected}}} If you wish to have the page unprotected, please begin by asking User:John Reaves who made it protected, then make a request at WP:RFPP. CMummert · talk 00:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GAC

Hi there, I just boldly rewrote DJ's article, and it is now a good article candidate. Feel free to feedback and improve! —Onomatopoeia 19:47, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA Process

Right here we go, please note, this is my first ever GA review if I have made a big massive mistake, please don't bother shouting, because I simply will not do any more GA reviews.

  1. It is well written. In this respect:
    (a) prose
  • Please make the spelling of English words consistent with either American or British spelling, depending upon the subject of the article. Examples include: favourite (B) (American: favorite), defense (A) (British: defence), aging (A) (British: ageing), sceptic (B) (American: skeptic).
    • Y Done Well, first thank you for reviewing this article. This part has been fixed: now it's favorite, defense, aging, skeptical. Chensiyuan 01:12, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

and

  1. (b) MOS
  1. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect, it:
    (a) references
  1. (b) cites reliable sources
  1. (c) contains no original research.
  • It was at this time that Johnson's nickname "DJ" was coined by play-by-play announcer Bob Blackburn, to help distinguish him from fellow starter John Johnson (whom Blackburn referred to as "JJ"). - no source.
    • Y Done outcommented until src is named —Onomatopoeia 08:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • At age 25, the one-time high school garbage time player had reached the pinnacle of professional basketball. - opinion.
    • Y Done rm sentence —Onomatopoeia 08:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. It is broad in its coverage. In this respect, it:
    (a) addresses the major aspects of the topic.
    (b) stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary details (see summary style).
  2. It is neutral; that is, it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias.
  • Most of it seems like praise. Did any commentators critisize him?
    • Comment DJ was known as a troublemaker early in his career, and the article reflects this IMHO already. Finals MVPs don't get kicked out of the club. Also, the guy once threatened to murder his wife. That is not praise at all. —Onomatopoeia 08:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  1. It is stable; that is, it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of an ongoing edit war.
  2. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. - but I would prefer one or two more images of him.
    • Comment There are none on flickr that satisfy CC-BY-SA, see here. In addition, copyrighted sports images under WP:FAIR are always quickly removed, seems that the NBA has tight thumbscrews on Wikipedia. Also, other WP:NBA GAs like Shareef Abdur-Rahim don't have one. —Onomatopoeia 08:15, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

There's one or two other issues:

  • If this article is about a person, please add {{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}} along with the required parameters to the article - see Wikipedia:Persondata for more information.
  • Per Wikipedia:Context and Wikipedia:Build the web, years with full dates should be linked; for example, link January 15, 2006.
    • Y Done I think —Onomatopoeia 08:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Please reorder/rename the last few sections to follow guidelines at Wikipedia:Guide to layout.
    • Comment Could you be more specific plz? —Onomatopoeia 08:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
      • Y Done Got it, I now switched the order of "External links" and "References". —Onomatopoeia 08:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
    • While additive terms like “also”, “in addition”, “additionally”, “moreover”, and “furthermore” may sometimes be useful, overusing them when they aren't necessary can instead detract from the brilliancy of the article. This article has 16 additive terms, a bit too much.
      • Y Done I think, got rid of many superfluous "also" in particular —Onomatopoeia 08:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


I'm putting this article on hold. When you have made the necessary adjustments, contact me on my talkpage. Thanks! Davnel03 17:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for making the necessary adjustments. With this, I am passing the article. Well done. Davnel03 11:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! —Onomatopoeia 12:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Celtics assessment

Should it really be high? I was thinking mid. Basketball110 what famous people say ♣ 17:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How many kids?

Adrian Wojnarowski's column lists four children instead of three (wikipedia's number). Can we get a fact check? 69.91.82.182 (talk) 09:11, 8 June 2008 (UTC) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AlqE9GTMWu.yDRlQgyEvTaC8vLYF?slug=aw-dennisjohnson060708&prov=yhoo&type=lgns —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.91.82.182 (talk) 09:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)