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[edit] External Links

How does imdb and tvtome, among others, have the ability to make external references this way. Do other popular content providers have this ability as well.

Yes, these are simply templates. In most cases, though, the links will not meet WP:EL and WP:SPAM. --Yamla (talk) 23:28, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Denise Richards being Christian?

Look, I'm not sure about this, but I've seen a lot of pictures in various occasions of her wearing a cross. Now, this doesn't have to mean anything, she could be wearing it for a reason like she thinks it's a beautiful symbol, or whatever, but it sure is more proof than nothing at all. I don't want this to turn out into a silly revert war or anything like that, but if you got any credible sources that claim otherwise, it would be cool if you could hand 'em over? Here are some pictures:
I've seen a lot more than these three, but at the moment, they're are the only ones I could find in a fast check.
EliasAlucard|Talk 12:26, 12 Jun, 2005 (UTC)
I agree that Denise should be listed as a Christian. It appears to me that User:Phatcat68 thinks that his perceived state of being a born-again Christian allows him to judge who may call himself Christian and who not. I think that the only person who has the authority to decide whether Denise Richards is a Christian is herself, and certainly not User:Phatcat68 (if others had the authority to judge that, then what if I thought that true Christians "do not" judge whether others are being proper christians?). Until someone provides evidence that Denise Richard does not regard herself as Christian, I regard the cross as evidence that she does. I therefore reverted User:Phatcat68's POV edits. --Yogi de 15:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
As stated above, a cross s not good enough. Quit using edits and discussions as an excuse to go off and call people hypocrites. That word hasn't been impressive in like a decade. Phatcat's CHristianity is of no issue here. Karwynn 22:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
The fact that Denise posed in Playboy or appeared in a sex scene in Wild Things is irrelevant to what she considers her faith to be. I also agree that she should be listed as a Christian unless evidence to the contrary is found to be true. Jester2001 16:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Not to derail the conversation, but just wearing an icon doesn't mean you consider yourself a member of that religion. Does someone have a quote somewhere where she describes herself as a Christian? Until you have such a quote, you cannot presume anything. Cite sources, people. --Randal L. Schwartz 04:17, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

I agree that we need sources and not just some pictures of her wearing a cross. The only piece of jewelery that I wear happens to be a St. Christopher medal. Although, I'm agnostic, so what a person wears means nothing. Wearing a cross makes you a Christian as much as standing in your garage makes you a car. Also, the second and third pictures cited above look like they may have been taken at the same place (notice her dress is very similar as well as how her hair is done) so they don't really count as two seperate occaisions.Dismas 04:22, 11 July 2005 (UTC)


I thought I should add to this discussion since my beliefs of what a Christian is seem to be the center of this dispute. The first thing I would like to say is that I am not trying to offend anybody by saying Denise is not a Christian. I am just trying to keep the integrity of that list because I do not want anybody to think that it is OK by Christianity to pose for Playboy, do lesbian sex scenes in movies and to be as foul mouthed as she can be in her movies. Being a Christian is a lifestyle, not just something someone professes with their mouth. It has to be in the person's heart too or they are not a Christian.
Secondly, I knew a guy at college who wore a cross every day. He was one of the biggest womanizers on campus and very profane and would not have claimed he was a Christian if he was asked. What I am trying to say is what Dismas pointed out...wearing a cross does not make you a Christian.
I also am not judging anybody, I am just going by what the Bible says about what a Christian is. The Bible says "Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all ongsuffering and doctrine" (2 Timothy 4:2). This verse means that as a Christian, I MUST point out when something is sinful (such as Denise posing for Playboy and her behavior in her movies) and do it in as nice a way as possible. When I removed her from the "Christian people" category, I was not judging her, I was going by what The Bible says a Christian should be and she DID NOT fit that, so she was removed from the category. Proberbs 31 describes a virtuous woman...basically a Christian woman. I am sorry to say that Denise Richards does not fit this either.


The Bible also says "False balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just wight is his delight" (Proberbs 11:1). Basically, Playboy is of the world and Christians are to have no part of it.


I really do not understand why people claim that Christians are judging people when we are just following what The Bible tells us to do. From my personal experience before getting saved, I know that I became hostile when something was pointed out that made me feel guilty about the way I lived and it caused me to seek the Lord and read The Bible and led to me getting saved in 1991. If I have caused that with anybody, PLEASE seek Jesus...He is the Way, the Truth and the Life (John 14:6).
(All Bible quotes from the Authorized King James version of the Holy Bible)

--Phatcat68 08:21, 11 July 2005 (US ET)

Since when does one have to invent the rules to be a judge? The judges I know merely decide whether someone fulfills the elements of crime. So who are you to decide whether Denise fulfills the guidelines of the bible? Then, would I be authorised to judge whether you fulfill them too? --Yogi de 08:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Dismas makes a good point about the pictures and (after having time to think over the matter for the past few days) I have must confess that wearing a cross is not much evidence to support that Denise is a Christian. I do not believe that posing nude is un-Christian but unless we can get a quote from Denise herself saying that she believes herself to be a Christian then I see very little reason that she should be categorized as a Christian. So I would like to change my mind and I am removing the Christian category from Denise's article. Jester2001 22:20, 12 July 2005 (UTC)
Of course the cross does not proof that Denise is a Christian, but it is a very strong suggestion, and I personally think that so few non-Christians wear a cross that until proven otherwise, we should assume that Denise does regard herself as a Christian. I vote for putting the Christian listing back in. Comments? --Yogi de 08:36, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
I would vote for putting the Christian listing back as well. I don't know of any non-Christians who wear a cross, and since the cross is the symbol for Christianity, I think it's safe to say Denise considers herself one. Columbia 09:10, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
My girlfriend has a huge, gaudy cross hanging from her rearview mirror. Sometimes she wears it as a fashion accessory. She's definitely not Christian, though, and would be offended if someone assumed that she was. Though many Christians wear crosses, not all cross-wearers are Christian. Do all people who get tattoos of Egyptian or Celtic religious symbols gain the status of those religions? Reediewes 09:18, July 13, 2005 (UTC)
No, not all cross-wearers are Christian, but most are. I consider that as sufficient for putting her back onto the list of Christians until proven otherwise. --Yogi de 18:44, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
In the pictures given above Denise is wearing what looks like a diamond-studded cross. Maybe she wore the cross simply because she liked its look and it was suitable for the occassion she was attending. I would be far more likely to believe that Denise was truly a Christian if she was wearing something simpler. Jester2001 18:59, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

The cross thing seems to be a bone of contention. Some people are willing to accept it as evidence, others not. The answer, then, would be to find other pieces of evidence. Here's what a few minutes on Google found me:

It seems that Denise Richards is regarded as a Christian by the celebrity community and probably should be listed on the wiki as such. (However, as an interesting counter-argument, the third source goes on to say, "and she was determined to honour her upbringing by undergoing the traditional pre-marriage rituals of that church," implying that she is no longer a member of that church.) Reediewes 02:51, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

So there are a couple of sources claiming her of being a Catholic. Shouldn't she be listed under a category then? By the way, you people amaze me. If you're going to follow the bible on what makes you a Christian, then it's damn near impossible to be one, because the bible has very high demands for that. Just accept it that a lot of Christian people do a lot of stuff that contradict their faith. Denise is no exception. EliasAlucard|Talk 11:20, 01 Sept, 2005 (UTC)
She is a practicing Catholic (as mentioned in one of the new interviews I put up). And thus she's in "Roman Catholic actors". She's probably not too religious. By the way, a lot of people of different faiths and backgrounds wear those big golden crosses for decoration - even Jewish people like Sarah Michelle Gellar. Usually it's just a decoration, I doubt Denise was making any sort of religious statement by wearing a cross. JackO'Lantern 22:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Et, ja vat chuo khotschou skazat’: many Hollywood and English Jewish actresses wear crosses! Sarah Michelle Gellar, Lindsey Sloane, Rosanna Arquette, Jamie Lee Curtis (Schwartz), Lisa Kudrow, Winona Ryder (Tomchin), Evan Rachel Wood, Nikki Reed, Jane Seymour (Frankenberg), Bebe Neuwirth, Traci Lords, Sarah Jessica Parker, Jenette Goldstein, Alona Thal, Sigourney Weaver, Gwyneth Paltrow (Paltrowitsch) UncleMartin 09:50, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

I also agree that she should be listed as a Christian unless evidence to the contrary is found to be true. Jester2001 16:20, 10 July 2005 (UTC) HAHAHA! what kind of reasoning is that? I went to a Christian school, my parents took me to Sunday School and I have never believed in a god, but until you get proof of it I'm still a Christian? wtf? There's not enough evidence for Denise either way until someone specifically asks her. Danlibbo 22:57, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That first image

I googled "Denise Richards publicity" and found a few links that claim to have publicity photos that we may be able to use. I think the following would be good candidates, [4] and the image on the lower left here [5] seem to be pretty good pictures. But I'm not all that familiar with what is required in order for us to use one of those photos. I'd really just like to get rid of that top image seeing as how it's so washed out and scary looking. Any input on this? Also, I found one of her preggers with Charlie Sheen here. Dismas 04:44, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

Any "promotional photos" would not be usable in this case. The Fair use criteria says fair use content may only be used if there is a lack of a free alternative.--Fallout boy 21:53, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

There has to be a better picture, that one sucks. Karwynn 22:26, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

i agree, it would be better not to have a picture at all if thats the only one there is--Fabio 13:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Her birth date

Someone changed it to 1972, and I see a lot of websites to report it as being 1972, although 1971 is the date reported by the IMDB. Does anyone have a definitive source? I'm leaving it as 1972 for now. JackO'Lantern 05:17, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

It's probably going to get swapped back and forth between 71 and 72. I suspect a lot of the "71" actually came from circularly-quoted sources. Without a statement from her management or her directly, I doubt we'll know. --Randal L. Schwartz 23:10, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
"Ask Men" says 1972, and I presume they do a bit of fact checking --Randal L. Schwartz 23:12, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
It's 1971. She graduated from high school in 1989.--Fallout boy 14:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rumors

Removed the following text until a source is found:

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On April 24, 2006 Richards was spotted kissing Bon Jovi guitarist Richie Sambora, who was recently divorcing actress Heather Locklear. Sheen co-starred with her on Spin City.

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Iolakana|T 19:23, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


Just enter both of their names in Google and you'll find lots of pictures and information on that. If you want to link to something, you might use this page for example: http://www.people.com/people/article/0,26334,1186662,00.html

This was nota rumor and should not have been removed. It was public knowledge that she was involved with Sambora. I think someone should include it since it has been a large part of her public profile so far. IndulgentReader (talk) 00:02, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Beverly Hills 90210?

Did she play Steves girlfriend?

[edit] Nose?

Does Denise Richards have a nose? If so it's invisible in the picture. Thanks, Hu Gadarn 19:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Soon there won't be a nose, she was spotted doing coke: http://www.hollywoodtuna.com/?p=2459

200.114.206.49 00:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Hey - a new picture - there's her nose! Thanks, Hu Gadarn 00:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ancestry

Why has someone deleted her ancestry when it was posted before?????

I think she's of Irish and Croat ancestry!!!!

Heathcliffe Kate 03:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Reply. Denise's father is Welsh while her mom is Croat. Not sure why it was deleted, i have added it into the article.

Running cool 03:46, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] West Wing's Martin Sheen?

I don't know even if saying Charlie Sheen is the son of Martin Sheen is necessary in this article, but at least we can delete that awful thing. West Wing's Martin Sheen? Come on. Acetaminophen

Done and ref. to Charlie Sheen in first para. deleted too bigpad 11:59, 18 July 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Croat connection

Yes, Denise's mom is Croatian. Trivia - she dated actor Patrick Malhoon who also has a Croatian mom.


Running cool 03:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Proof

Proof that Denise is of Welsh and Croatian ancesty. These are 3 websites of many you can find on the net listing her as Welsh/Croatian Running cool 03:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


http://www.deniserichardsfan.info/trivia.html Running cool 03:29, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


http://famousqt.com/profile.asp?celeb=41 Running cool 03:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000612/bio Running cool 03:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Not one of these meets WP:RS. --Yamla 03:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
I agree. The first is a trivia site that appears to copy the IMDB's trivia; the second is a copy of material from an older version of this Wikipedia article (as the site itself states); and the third is the IMDB. Mad Jack 05:00, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi Jack, I can only find information which indicates her father to be Welsh, mom Croatian!!! (Iam talking about countless unrelated websites) Maybe you can find out her ancesty if this isn't the case?

Ancesty has to be listed for all people on Wikipedia.


Over and Out!!!!! Running cool 03:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Ancestry does not have to be listed. In fact, WP:V requires that we not list it unless it is verifiable. If you cannot find a reliable source (WP:RS), the information cannot be added. --Yamla 03:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


there is tons of info about her ancestry on google. they all say father Welsh ,mother Croatian.

[edit] Brant Marlett rumour

Removed this section as there is no citation, and would sound unencyclopedic anyway . 82.6.97.81 13:12, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "personal life"

A lot of it is directly lifted from http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=20060421-040226-2043r with the TMZ.com links removed...and tons of it is uncited as well, although that link I just gave would do as a citation. If citations are all important, this section needs serious cleaning up, and I don't know the rules of wikipedia well enough to do so 78.86.230.62 (talk) 22:54, 2 June 2008 (UTC)