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[edit] Antisemite

Publisher, editor, compiler of a current web-based version of the antisemitic tract, Waters Flowing Eastward. Yours truly, --Ludvikus 11:24, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Published under Fahey's name

Here [1] (--Ludvikus (talk)) And here it is:

• Waters flowing eastward; the war against the kingship of Christ

LC Control No.: 66058066

Type of Material: Book (Print, Microform, Electronic, etc.)

Personal Name: Fry, L. [from old catalog]

Main Title: Waters flowing eastward; the war against the kingship of Christ,

Edition Information: [5th ed.]

Published/Created: London, Britons Pub. Co., 1965.

Related Names: Fahey, Denis, 1883- [from old catalog] ed.

Related Titles: "Protocols of the wise men of Zion." [from old catalog]

Description: 287 p. illus., facsim. 22 cm.

Subjects: Jewish question.

Zionism.

"Protocols of the wise men of Zion." [from old catalog]

LC Classification: DS141 .F75 1965

I don't think it's appropriate to separate this book under the heading "antisemitic works". Among other things, it assumes that this is the only antisemitic work in the list. It'd be better to describe the work and the controversy around it in their own section. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

OK. Will prpose alternative(s) in a moment. --Ludvikus (talk) 01:19, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I've removed the word "antisemitic." --Ludvikus (talk) 01:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

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• I have an extreme aversion to the following POV statement which remains in the Article:

    For his supposed belief in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
    he is labelled by some of his critics as favouring antisemitism.

Can you help me clean that up? --Ludvikus (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes, there are several problesm with that. We need to establish that he had a belief in the Protocols, and that he is labelled as favouring antisemitism. Let's find sources for those. Once we have ths sources let's just summarize them. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

From a review of The Coughlin-Fahey Connection: Father Charles E. Coughlin, Father Denis Fahey, C.S.Sp., and Religious Anti-Semitism in the United States, 1938-1954 by Mary Christine Athans:

• Anyone who works in any field of twentieth century U.S. history knows of Charles E. Coughlin. Those who have heard or read him or read about him have undoubtedly asked themselves in unscholarly frustration, "Where did he get that stuff?" Athans has provided a scholarly answer to that question, locating the theological sources of Coughlin's increasingly strident anti-Semitism in the writings of Denis Fahey, C.S.Sp., a member of the faculty of the Holy Ghost Fathers' seminary in Dublin, Ireland.
  • Schlotzhauer, Wesley Jr. Church History. Chicago: Jun 1995. Vol. 64, Iss. 2; pg. 344

From a review of Radio Priest: Charles Coughlin, The Father of Hate Radio by Donald Warren

• In 1938 Coughlin became radically anti-Semitic, finding the theological justification in the writings of the Irish theologian Father Denis Fahey, C.S.Sp.
  • Mary Christine Athans. The Catholic Historical Review. Washington: Jul 1998. Vol. 84, Iss. 3; pg. 589, 3 pgs

• Certainly, in the early decades of this century, some of the more traditional Catholic clergy made no secret of their negative attitude to Jews. Prominent among these were Father Denis Fahey, professor of theology at the Holy Ghost seminary in Kimmage, the Jesuit Father Edward Cahill, and Father Edmund Burke of the Cross magazine.
  • "Another Exodus (Part 2)" Irish Times. Dublin: Mar 13, 1999. pg. 60

• [Justin Barrett] also promotes the thinking of Denis Fahey, a Holy Ghost priest, whose work is widely seen as anti-semitic.
  • "Abortion fighter turns his sights on immigration" Scott Millar. Sunday Times. London (UK): May 18, 2003. pg. 6

This appears to be a letter to the editor, so shouldn't be used as a source, just as talk page background:

• More recently, Gerry Adams and others participated in a commemoration of IRA terrorist Sean South, who was killed during an attack on Brookeborough RUC station in 1957. South was a member of the IRA but he was also a member of Maria Duce, an extremist organisation founded by Fr Denis Fahey and later renamed Firinne. Fahey blamed the Jews for creating communism and in March, 1950, the secretary of Maria Duce also argued that Catholic states, such as Spain and Ireland, should 'suppress non-Catholic' religions.
  • "Let's see Sinn Fein ditchtheir icons" Belfast Telegraph. Belfast: Jan 30, 2007. pg. 1

• A RACIST Irish priest is inspiring Neo-Nazis-more than 50 years after his death. Co Tipperary cleric Fr Denis Fahey, who died in 1954, has become a hero of skinheads bent on the gospel of hate. The neo-Nazi website Stormfront quotes the priest's vitriolic anti-semitic diatribes in their 1,001 Quotes By and About Jews. The prelate, who denied the Holocaust, was a theology professor in Dublin.
  • "'Fr Hate' yob hero;" News of the World. London (UK): Feb 11, 2007. pg. 17

• On the official Web site of the Society of St. Pius X, the society's Superior General, Bernard Fellay-who was validly consecrated by Archbishop Lefevbre-formally commended the pope for "reinstating the Tridentine Mass" and expressed "joy at seeing the church thus regaining her liturgical tradition." But on the same site the following passage, excerpted from a lengthy tract, may also be read: "The term 'anti-Semitism,' with all its war-connotation in the minds of the unthinking, is being extended to include any form of opposition to the Jewish nation's naturalistic aims and any exposure of the methods they adopt to achieve these aims." This was written in 1955 by the notoriously anti-Semitic priest Denis Fahey, a close associate of Charles E. Coughlin, who was silenced by Rome in 1942.
  • "Courting Schismatics?" Justus George Lawler. Commonweal. New York: Oct 12, 2007. Vol. 134, Iss. 17; pg. 18, 2 pgs

I think those are sufficient to show that the subject has been labelled an antisemite. I don't see any of them linking that to support for the Protocols. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:54, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Here are some excerpts a relevant paper:

• In the modern world, according to Fahey, there existed various threats to the mystical body of Christ, i.e. the Roman Catholic Church, and these were the organised forces of naturalism. A distinction is made by Fahey between what he termed the invisible organised force and the visible forces. The invisible force was that of Satan and ` his fellow demons'.(The visible forces were identified as the Jews and the Freemasons.) The two later groupings were parts of a movement of organised naturalism in direct confrontation with the supernatural life of Christ. It is the exposition and development of these teachings, some of which were antisemitic in character, which perhaps not surprisingly made Fahey such a figure of controversy in post-war Ireland.
• One of Fahey's more startling theories related to the role of the Jews in the Russian Revolution of 1917. According to Fahey the revolution was plotted by agents of the Jewish nation, and Bolshevism in Russia was the 'most recent development in the age-long struggle waged by the Jewish nation' against the Catholic Church. For Fahey, the efforts of the communists to spread their sphere of in¯uence was aimed at the destruction of the Catholic Church. He saw communism as an instrument in the hands of the Jews which they used to prepare for the coming of the `natural messias' and the `establishment of their future messianic kingdom'. He argued that if the Irish Republican Army (IRA), a communist organisation, were to seize control the result would be that the people of Ireland would be `trampled under foot in another world-empire ruled from Moscow or Jerusalem'. The socialist tendencies of a section of the IRA in the mid-1930s were, for Fahey, an indication that they were communist fellow-travellers.
• The sales of Fahey's books and pamphlets were considerable. The mystical body of Christ in the modern world (1935), was issued in three editions and reprinted six times. In the United States, owing mainly to the recommendations of the antisemitic radio priest Charles E. Coughlin, his works were disseminated widely." In one letter Coughlin states that 350,000 copies of his pamphlet, The rulers of Russia (1939), were distributed, albeit free of charge.
  • "Political Catholicism in Post-War Ireland : The Revd Denis Fahey and Maria Duce, 1947-1954" ENDA DELANEY, Journal of Ecclesiastical History, Vol. 52, No. 3, July 2001. Cambridge University Press

This is paper is mostly on the Maria Duce, as apparent from the title. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• As McGarry shows, many of the clergy were openly partial to authoritarian government and anti-Semitism with these ideas informing much of the popular devotional literature of the time. A key figure was Father Denis Fahey, a prominent theologian, whose anti-Communist and anti-Semitic tract, The Rulers of Russia, was made use of by the BUF in Britain.
  • "BLACKSHIRTS, BLUESHIRTS, AND THE SPANISH CIVIL WAR" JOHN NEWSINGER Bath Spa University College The Historical Journal, 44, 3 (2001), pp. 825±844 # 2001 Cambridge University Press

Another in the same vein. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 09:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for Summary.

I'm impressed by you knowledge of sources. I find what you wrote highly enlightening, User:Will Beback. Now could you please summarize your point, and inform me how you want to use this material. Thanx. --Ludvikus (talk) 02:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

• I'm no expert - I just searched in some archives. With a couple of exceptions those are the complete mentions of the subject. In other words when people write about Fahey nowadays it's in reference to his perceived antisemiticism. I think those are sufficeint sources to substantiate the assertion, as one writer says, that Fahey's works "widely seen as anti-semitic." If you like I can email you the "Political Catholicism in Post-War Ireland" paper, if you email me with a request. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 08:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)