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[edit] Denethor's palantir in extended edition of film?

An anonymous editor recently added the claim that Denethor's palantir was seen in the extended edition of the Return of the King film. Is this so? If it is, I missed it (which is entirely possible). There is a scene in which Aragorn uses a palantir in Minas Tirith to confront Sauron, but since Denethor's palantir isn't (I think) explicitly mentioned, the implication seems to be that this is Saruman's palantir, brought from Meduseld by Gandalf.

Denethor's line "Did you think the eyes of the White Tower were blind?" is retained, but I don't think they're ever explained; a viewer unfamiliar with the books might just hear that as being about a spy network or some other means of gathering information from afar; that also seems to be the suggestion of the scene with Denethor, Boromir and Faramir in Osgiliath, where he says something like "word has reached my ear that the One Ring has been found".

I'm not removing the addition now, in case I've just missed the appearance of Denethor's palantir, but I'd welcome other viewers' takes on this. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 02:19, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Just watched it again, and we don't see it, although the "Did you think the eyes of the White Tower were blind?" hints at it. We do see Aragorn looking into a palantir, but since we never see Denethor's, it seems to be the one he used in the book, which was the palantir from Orthanc. nmw 08:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Then you weren't watching the extended version. In it, Aragorn finds Denethor's palantir wrapped up in fabric next to the Steward's throne he had been sitting in.Rglong 06:05, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Aragorn uses the Orthanc palantir. It's already been introduced, so it's less confusing to the audience then introducing another palantir and ignoring the first. You'll notice the fabric it's wrapped in when Aragorn prepares to use it is the same cloak Gandalf tosses over it after Pippin looks into it. The person who thinks it's Denethor's palantir is somebody who has read the books and seen the films and kind of muddled them; and I don't mean any offense by that; I've done it myself. 69.215.145.159 (talk) 01:35, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Last Ruling Steward?

At the beginning of the article, it says that Denethor was the last Ruling Steward. Wasn't Faramir the last ruling steward, technically, even though his reign mostly consisted of preparing for the King's entry into the city? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Angrist (talk • contribs) 13:47, 21 April 2007 (UTC).

No, Faramir does become Steward (a post he continues to hold after the events in the book), but by the time he is Steward, the King has returned, thus he never rules the city and is secondary. Denethor is the last ruling Steward. 69.215.146.62 (talk) 00:27, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fly!?

Haha. Isn't "However, that was a highly dramatized version of his death, where in the book, he doesn't try to fly off the top of Minas Tirith." a tiny bit snide? -Kez 01:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The entire section is written very poorly, lol

Yoda921 08:10, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Yoda