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[edit] For user 151.57.207.30

The birth name of the frontman of Den Harrow project is Manuel Stefano Carry born in Boston, Massachusetts, USA. The last name Zandri is his mother's last name which he adopted as he felt abandoned by his father later in his life.

There are so many people that come into this article and replace the frontman's last name with Zandri. Do not simply click on his official web site and read the first line and then come back to this article and change the last name. Please read further down what it says in his official web site.

I hope this will be the end of this vandalism.


Harout72 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harout72 (talk • contribs) 02:44, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] For Harout72

This is absolutely false Lately this guy is almost every day in italian TV, and we know him very well since he appears often in various shows. He even publicly confessed he cannot really sing, and that all the story was invented. Believe it is not vandalism it is the correct version of the article and YOU are vandalizing it.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=107280163

This is his real homepage on myspace if you want to ask him personally. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.11.132 (talk) 20:40, 11 October 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Ask him a question on "my space"

You do realize that my space could be invented by anybody and anybody could pretend to be the frontman of Den Harrow? My space is entirely unreliable/unofficial source. If you could perhaps include a link to one of those shows wherein, according to you, he has made an appearance and has confessed about his birth name being Stefano Zandri, then that would be very helpful. As to whether he has sung his own songs or not, I have included a link of an interview given by Tom Hooker (who happened to be the original singer of most of the hits in the '80s) within the article as a source of reference. However, I will go ahead and leave the changes you've made for now by only correcting your English grammer.

Thanks, Harout72 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harout72 (talk • contribs) 21:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

What about the home page disappearing? And TV?

And he is offering free download of his songs on myspace you think RIAA would allow this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.11.132 (talk) 22:02, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KlOhF7qEmc&mode=related&search= The most famous appearance of Den Harrow on Italian TV

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdMnR9L5wp4 old one from 1999

http://www.matchmusic.it/programma.htm?programma=21

The link to his TV show on satellite tv

Den Harrow on satellite tv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pq18Av9NmAQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.11.132 (talk) 22:34, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Commercial for the new single http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zwFfZQ85To —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.140.11.132 (talk) 22:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Stop spreading FUD

RIAA does not have control over the projects released in Italian market. I think you mean FIMI, which again would not waste time on projects that are not on major record companies or something that's been out of print for over a decade.

By the way, I am only trying to make this article sound as true as I possibly can, I welcome any kind of new info which we can back up by rational sources. Thanks for the links, by the way, Harout

I read on his homepage that he left his old producer for a new one, thus the old site you linked www.denharrow.net disappeared and the new one www.den-harrow.net presented during the italian version of Survivor appeared.

And the myspace page believe it or not is really him.

SIAE could perhaps be translated as the billboard in the States or Media Control in Germany. But FIMI is the Federazione Industria Musicale Italiana(Italian Phonographic Industry). Harout

SIAE hold the copyrigth and distributes the provents among the artists like RIAA does in the US so it is in this case the correct counterpart, not the literal translation. to be short SIAE pursues copyright infringments in italy, FIMI is a voluntary association among privates to enforce the copyrights of his members.

Since you only believe links (but dont provide them for your affirmations) this is the statute of SIAE http://www.siae.it/documents/bg_normativa_statuto_1995.pdf and this is the statute of FIMI http://www.fimi.it/statuto.asp

I made a mistake, he wrote his new single with Federica Bertoni, they meet at matchmusic btw and live together but are not married even if he promised it crying during a reality show (see the first youtube link) what a liar this guy!

He will be on italian tv again on 16 oct 2007 14:00 I can record the show for you if you want :-)

That will be great, thanks. As for the SIAE pursuing copyright infringments in Italy I can't argue with that as I am not from Italy, however, it is normally done by the controler of Phonographic Industry (Gold/Platinum certifiers) as it is the case of RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) in U.S. or IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industry) in Germany, Norway, U.K. for example and honestly speaking, it should be the same with FIMI (Federazione Industria Musicale Italiana) in Italy. It does seem like FIMI http://www.fimi.it/statuto.asp explains the rights maticulously. Thanks again, Harout —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harout72 (talk • contribs) 23:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Lets stop this futile discussion and PLEASE stop vandalizing this page!!!! I added also a link to a recording of a TV show where he explicitly confesses his real name and origins.

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And I want to add that you can stop to boast yourself of knowing Italian, I'm Italian btw. If you don't believe what the people are saying about Den Harrow real surname, maybe you can check his interview here: http://www.lineamusica.it/index.php?sessione=&Idnews=2467&action=SHOW&nomelink=news.php&

In particular you can read this line:

D.: Ciao Den, allora, iniziamo dicendo che il Manuel Carry che negli anni 80 diceva di essere nato a Boston si chiama in realtà Stefano Zandri ed è italiano a tutti gli effetti; prima di parlare del personaggio Den Harrow, vuoi parlarci della persona Stefano Zandri?

R.: Stefano Zandri nasce in Italia a Nova Milanese in provincia di Milano il 4 giugno 1962.

If you don't trust this, you can do a check at "ufficio anagrafe" of Milan. It's about 5 euros. Maybe you can ask them from wikipedia funds :) In other words, you criticize who citate the page on the blog, but if i own "www.pincopallino.com" (that's my official site! wow!) and i write on it that's my real name is Silvio Berlusconi, i've adopted Berlusconi surname after my uncle Silvio decided to adopt me in his house, do you think that would be true? Think, before you speak.

If you will continue to believe that this man is born in Boston, and his surname is Carry it's ok. That will prove what people are saying about wikipedia: a nice site with a nice idea, but made also by people with "mania of grandeur". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.4.27.53 (talk) 08:49, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] And this is the final proof

Dear harout72, you can check also his official site. http://www.den-harrow.net/DENHARROW.htm You are so good in Italian language, aren't you? Of course not. Read about the story of his name and stop saying fake things. Thank you —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.4.27.53 (talk) 10:35, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


Ok, ok, Jesus, I'm convinced now that you can read and write Italian just calm down before you give yourself a heart attack. First of all, I don't boast myself of knowing Italian and most definitely I'm not here to spread out wrongful information. Second of all, you could have very friendly and calmly included the links (that you are now getting personal about) at the time of replacing his name and perhaps also a brief explanation in the discussion would be nice about what's being said about Den Harrow in Italy. The bottom line is that this project was very well done both composition wise and vocally and it's a pity that they were bunch of phonies to their fans, and there is still a lot of false information about it up until today. This, I discussed with someone already (see discussions above) and have modified the article. So this is nothing personal, just a project the truth of which needed multiple verifications. --Harout72 00:45, 18 October 2007 (UTC)