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Here's this bit the U.S. Department of State had with the "HIV/AIDS" and "population aging" sections:

The high growth rate of AIDS cases will have negative economic consequences, as investment will suffer from the diversion of private and government funds to AIDS treatment. The problems of population aging will be magnified, especially since about 60% of infected individuals in Russia are between 20 and 30 years of age.

Feel free to add it if you can find a way to do it without feeling like a callous bastard for reducing terminal illness to negative economic consequences. signed, the typically aspiring-to-logic-and-NPOV Koyaanis Qatsi

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[edit] Cross time analysis

I saw a table for France which shows the population of the region dating back to 50 B.C. How it went from a pop. of 2 million to current standards. Is it at all possible to add a table like that for Russia?

-G

[edit] Cholera in Russia?

I live in Russia and I've never heard of any major cholera outbreak, and the few minor outbreaks that occurred were treated with utmost resolution. Cholera is not a significant risk for any region of Russia I've been to (can't say for remote ones). Either provide credible statistics or get your facts straight. dscsdacadsdc

[edit] 2002 census

Seeing that they counted groups down to 200 people, I cannot help but wonder who these 43,000 'other' people are. I assume, major world languages: English/Arabic/Chinese etc. are conspicuously absent, so it would seem that the census left out languages 'not native' to the Russian territory. 62.202.73.130 21:48, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

http://www.perepis2002.ru/ct/doc/TOM_04_01.xls does include 1275 Americans, 10630 Arabs, 34577 Chinese, among others, in addition to 43,000 "other". http://www.perepis2002.ru/ct/doc/TOM_04_P1.doc is a little more detailed, e.g. it includes 295 Swedes & 334 Dutch, so it brings the total of "other" down to 40k. Some other groups, such as Australians, are still absent. Unaccounted 40 thousand are probably representatives of smaller non-native nationalities that census designers chose not to add to the lists.--Itinerant1 00:13, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
yes, but if they count nationalities with as little as 200 heads, we will need more than 200 different nations to account for the 40k 'other'. That seems rather incredible. Baad 09:34, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
the list of "official" nationalities was defined _prior_ to the census. It just so happened that some nationalities of as few as 200 people made it on the list. It does not mean that every single nationality that was left off the list is smaller than 200.
also, all fictional and exotic nationalities are included in "others". I read that some people stated their nationalities as "hobbits" and "elves." --Itinerant1 18:44, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
I see -- if you have a reference for that, it would be nice to have it in the article. 81.63.58.220 21:16, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


--Itinerant1 22:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

--- Have added updated birth and death rates in text - source US Census Bureau http://www.census.gov/ipc/www/idbprint.html


[edit] Chinese immigration

There were an estimated 3.26 million Chinese in Russia in 2003, making them the fourth largest ethnic group, and also (one of) the fastest growing. See among other news articles: [ http://www.worldpress.org/Asia/1651.cfm]. Can anyone confirm the validity of these data? Sijo Ripa 22:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

  • No official Russian source could be found confirming the 3.26 million figure. Unless one exists, this should be seen as a rough-estimate at best, and at worst, an inflated figure possibly by one of the many Russian groups with nationalistic, anti-immigration agenda. It should be worth noting that most of the Chinese currently in Russia are workers or students on temporary visas with no intention of giving up their Chinese citizenship or residing in Russia long-term.

[edit] Educashun

Umm, you're education figures don't add up: (99.99 + 97.01)/2 != 98! It's more like 98.5%. I took the liberty to change that. On the other hand, very nice picture of Church of Christ Our Saviour. Whoever put that in, (and I don't usually compliment Wikipedians) but you rock dude/dudette! Very nice image.

- User ABC

[edit] Circassians

Aren't the Circassians a Caucasian ethnicity, not a Turkic one? john k 02:16, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Axxn 06:39, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for modifying the Median age table... But can anyone explain how to get the Children/woman figure? I think the TFR for ethnic Russians is in the range of 1.0-1.2. Then how it zoomed up to 1.446 ???? Can anyone quote the source? Also isn't it impossible for Chechens to have Children/woman ratio of 2.163, when the TFR of Chechenya is 3.0 Does that means that TFR of Chechenya is going up... rather than going down? We should also take notice (1) TFR of Chechen Urbandwellers is double that of their rural counterparts (2) Large incidence of polygamy (3) Slavic women marrying Chechen men (4) 10.89% of Chechens are in 0-4 age group compared to 4.18% for Northern Slavs.(260% more). That means that if Slavic TFR(Children born per women) is 1.20, then Chechen TFR will be 3.12 I think this is the best way to calculate Children/Women.... Look at that 3.12 figure... It exactly matches with TFR of Chechenya.... So Children/Women for Chechens is 3.12 not 2.163 .... See this Another way is to take the birth rate. Birth rate per year (Avg in 1997-2002 period, per 1000 people) for Northern Slavs it is at 8.571 (It was 9.8 for entire Russia). For Chechens it is 21.77

Birth Rate per 1000 = no: of births * 1000 / total population

TFR is a synthetic number, it is the number of children a woman would have if she was subject to currently prevailing fertility rates at all ages. It reflects current fertility situation, says how likely women are to have children now.
On the other hand, children/woman ratio is just counting how many number of Ukrainian women older than 15 there are in Russia, counting how many children they all have, and dividing one number by the other. For example, 2002 census found 1400547 Ukrainian women older than 15, and these women together had 2417427 children. Thus the children/woman ratio is 2417427/1400547 = 1.726. These children may have been born long time ago.
For example, current TFR for ethnic Russians is something like 1.2. It means that Russian women are not very likely to bear children now. But if you interview 50-year-old Russian women, you'll find out that they have 1.8 children on average. These children were born before the collapse of the Soviet Union, when birth rates were quite a bit higher than today.
On the other hand - for Chechens - notice that the number of children/women age 35+ is 3.46 - even higher than your TFR of 3.12. Chechens are very likely to have many children. Since they have many children, their population is "young". And the 2.163 figure is average number of children per woman aged 15 or older. It includes 16-18 year old girls who didn't have a chance to bear any children yet. And there are so many of them in Chechnya, that they push the children/woman ratio down from TFR. --Itinerant1 07:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for claring my doubts. --Axxn

[edit] Axxn 06:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone explain why there are so many of Siberian people in Ukraine??? (Orocks,Negidals,Nivkh.etc). Is this because Ukranians falsely identifying as Siberians? See This

[edit] Rename from demographics to demography

Please see Talk:Demography#Demographics_vs_demography_confusion and comment.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  19:30, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Why the Nogai Population is very small?

The Nogais have been in Western Russia for hundreds of years. Why the Nogai population is very small compared to the ethnic Russian population which is over 100 million? Even if you add the Nogai population in Turkey with the Nogai population in Russia, it is still small. Sonic99 00:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] jewish

Becouse of antisemtism exact numbers isn't know. But real numbers are much more higher, than official statistics. Same goes for tatars and other minorities, becouse of fear of xenophobia exact official numbers are greatly smaller than real.

[edit] Education

"About 3 million students attend Russia's 519 institutions of higher education and 48 universities. As a result of great emphasis on science and technology in education, Russian medical, mathematical, scientific, and space and aviation research is generally of a high order." I believe, russian aeroplanes falls every month. Russia have some good scientists, but in Russia enginier education have very low prestige and qualification. In USA is prefared chinese and indian specialist over russian specialists.

I doubt that you should listen to that guy, considering the fact that his ip is from Latvia, and we know how balts feel about Russians. The Russian education system is considered one of the most rigorous and in depth in the world, especially in the fields of science and technology. The common perception is that a physics student in a United States university couldn't pass a high school physics program in Russia. Similarly, Russia's engineers are considered some of the best in the world. Here is the reference http://www.eubusiness.com/Russia/russia-country-guide/ - "Because great emphasis is placed on science and technology in education, Russian medical, mathematical, scientific, and space and aviation research is still generally of a high order."--Ilya1166 06:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Contradictory Information

This:

Lower birth rates and higher death rates reduced Russia's population at a 0.5% annual rate during the 1990s. This rate however is accelerating.

Seems to contradict this, further down:

Russia's birth rate has climbed from a low of 1.2 to 1.39 in 2006. While still far below the 2.1 replacement rate, it continues to show signs of growing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.219.231.106 (talk) 05:19, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explanation

“ During the Soviet era, migration from villages into larger cities was difficult as people were coerced into working in kolkhozes (collective farms). However, after the break-up of the USSR, many people migrated from rural areas into urban areas in search of employment. ”

I've removed this because it's way too inaccurate imho. The immigration from villages to cities wasn't easy when peasants didn't have passports (that is, before mid-50s, iirc) but, nevertheless, during this period Russia's urban population rose greatly and the country turned from mostly rural to mostly urban actually. The passage makes wrong impression that the most important period of village-to-city migration was post-Soviet time. Alæxis¿question? 09:24, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] The Russian Cross

I started a stub on the Russian Cross, the point where the Russian death rate exceeded the birth rate in the early 90s. I request that knowledgeable contributors come and help flesh it out. Thanks! The Sanity Inspector (talk) 02:30, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Islam in Russia

The Author in this section claimed only 4-6% of Russians were Muslims, but this is incorrect. I was unable to verify his source because it was in Russian, but the CIA Factbook estimates Russia's muslim population to be at about 15-20%, which is what I changed it to Mohua (talk) 03:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, let's count. Practically no Indo-European or Finno-Ugric individuals are Muslim. That alone lowers the percentage to roughly 14%. A few major Turkic and minor Caucasian ethnicities are Christian, which would further lower that to around 12%. I can't imagine where could they get the figure of 15-20%, unless that includes illegal immigrants. --Humanophage (talk) 12:42, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The CIA factbook estimates 10%-15%, not 15%-20%.[1] Krawndawg (talk) 20:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population decline

Something doesn't add up in this sentence: A new study published in 2007 shows that, on the whole, the rate of population decrease has slowed: if the net decrease in January-August 2006 was 408,200 people, this year in the same period it was 196,600.

According to official statistics, the population as of January 1 2007 was 142.20 million[2], and now according to new official statistics, the population as of January 1 2008 is 142.0 million[3]. The overall yearly decrease was about 200k according to official released figures, confirmed in that novosti article, but the above sentence says that it was 200K between January-August, which implies the yearly decrease would be almost twice as large. Krawndawg (talk) 17:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] density

Maybe a nice attribution would be if someone made a map that shows the population density in Russia, there's a few examples.[4]