Talk:Demographics of New York City

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I expanded the red link from the New York City article, also to resolve the minor dispute over the proper location of information about the Jewish community. My knowledge of this subject is minimal and I hope others will expand and contribute in their areas of expertise. Kaisershatner 18:13, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Anyone want to expand the list of ethnicities/nationalities present? For starters, there's nothing on the history of Latinos, Caribbean people, African-Americans, Arabs, South Asians ... etc etc etc. The list seems stacked towards the "older" immigrant groups. Rocketfairy

Contents 1 Jewish New York Error 2 Sephardic Jews 3 Percentages of Ethnicity 4 White Population 5 edits

[edit] Jewish New York Error

The "Jewish New York" section mentions that New York has more Jews than Jerusalem, but less than Tel Aviv. "New York's Jewish population in 2001 was approximately 1.97 million, 1.4 million more than in Jerusalem but 600,000 less than in Tel Aviv." How is this possible, when Tel Aviv only has a population of 385,000, as listed in its Wikipedia entry? The statement would imply that Tel Aviv has a Jewish population of more than two and a half million. which is exponentially higher than its total population is said to be on this very website. I'm not going to remove it, because maybe there's something I just don't understand. But someone should look into this.

I was confused at first too, but the 385,000 figure is for the actual city itself, while the greater metropolitan area of Tel Aviv houses a population of 3,150,800, according to the current article. Stiddy 09:05, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sephardic Jews

There are quite a lot of Sephardic Jews in New York. A simple Google search finds over 50 Sephardic synagogues. --Amir E. Aharoni 07:32, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

that doesnt mean much, lets say every synagogue serves 100 people that is just 5000 people out of a million Ashkenazim. i dont think there are a lot of sephardic jews there, dont be confused with the term "oriental jews" or arabian jews it is not the same as it is in modern Israel, from which most arabian jews came from.--Ifeldman84 08:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

That means quite a lot actually - there are 50 synagogues who call themselves Sephardic. To follow your logic, there are even more Synagogues that are Mizrachi, Yemenite etc.

Sephardi can mean "Spanish", but it can also mean all Jews who are not Ashkenazim. (Shas call themselves "Sfaradim", but claim to represent Bucharim, Kavakazim, Gruzinim, Teymanim, Iraqim etc.)

Of course common sense says that the majority of Jews there are probably Ashkenazi, but there definitely is a significant number of Sephardi, Mizrachim and Yemenites too. New York Jews are not just Chabad, OU and Seinfeld.

If you have numbers which you can prove, you can add them to the article, instead of arguing about the meaning of "most". --Amir E. Aharoni 09:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

shas means NOTHING! what connection does the iranian or the bucharian jew to the "Sfaradim"?

maybe their dark skin or the arabian looks.

yet most of them in israel call themselfes that way (that is by not being a mizrachi that is "eastern" (asian or african) in their common logic)

as i said 50 synagogues its about 5000 people. but there is no point for this conversation because no one has any details --Ifeldman84 19:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

There really is no point in this conversation without any numbers, but since you mentioned it: Shas means a lot - it is a strong party and their usage of the word has significant influence whether you like it or not. They may be illiterate (some of their publications are badly spell-checked) but they are in the Knesset and you and me are not ... --Amir E. Aharoni 19:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Percentages of Ethnicity

The table and the paragraph in this contradict each other. The table says NYC is 45% white, while the paragraph says it is 35% white. Which one is correct? Crito2161 03:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] White Population

It is important to note that people who are say white and black (or of two races: white and another) are counted only as black. The black population census numbers include Hispanic blacks, while non-hispanic white does not. The white population difference reflects the debate between Civil Rights groups and statisticians and more conservative groups as to just what consititutes a white person. In liberal New York, a reduction of "white" from 45% to 35% is good for civil rights.

[edit] edits

I made a number of copyediting changes, which were for clarity and readability. (Some sections were worse than others.) I removed some details, including the Irish genealogical claim (which makes claims beyond what the cited article suggests, in any case as to the relationship to Niall). I removed that one from several places, after a lot of thought, because this is still unsubstantiated, but more because it seemed inappropriately detailed in contrast to the other entries and belongs in a specialty article.

There is far too little information on a number of NYC communities and strange choices on some of the others. It is as though we have here public relations releases for a number of communities and nothing for others, such as Chinese and other Asian residents, and far and away the black, Caribbean and African American groups, while the Jewish section seems inadequate in relation to Sephardic Jews (I added a sentence or two) . 

Some of the remarks on housing were ideological, and unsubstantiated, rather than factual. If anything, city housing policy and the construction of low income areas as high-rise ghettos in the growth period of the 1950s needs to be addressed. Also, the construction the South Bronx as a mecca for workers made possible by the construction of subways and the setting of the stage for the precipitous decline of the South Bronx by some of Robert Moses' construction choices should be written in.

This article needs a lot of work, which I hope it can get. At present it seems like an amateurish expression of particular special interests and a slight, glancing attention to less favored ones.

(I am, of course, a New Yorker.)Actio (talk) 19:04, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

revisiting this article, it seems even more glaringly focused on a few communities of European origin than I thought; we should be ashamed! this needs significant work.

Also, every time I see Albania in the list of sources of highest immigration, I pause; is this verifiable? Actio (talk) 01:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)