Talk:Demographics of Jerusalem

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I was looking for the population of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus, couldn't find it anywhere on the wikipedia Jerusalem articles. After finding it somewhere else, I added it to this page. I think it's an important bit of information, even if the number is only a rough estimate. Feel free to move it into the table or edit it some other way, like changing it to 0BCE or something like that.--R0 25 March 2006

passia link is broken! whats the geographical aria this articles is talking about? ie , city, or district or old city or? help !

Contents 1 Factual accuracy dispute 2 Intercommunal relations 3 Muqaddasi quote 4 Population Table

[edit] Factual accuracy dispute

What figures in this table are attributed to PASSIA and where on that site are they found? Figures from Focus on Jerusalem are entirely unsourced in the external link provided and the site does not appear to be a reliable and reputable source, in any event.--DieWeibeRose 10:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for adding external links but this still does not solve the problem of sourcing particular statistics. As you know, the historical population distribution of Jerusalem is a matter of some controversy. I think the matter deserves a more careful documentation such as notes on individual figures or on the year, perhaps. The 1844 figures are still not from a reliable or verifiable source. Also, there are discrepancies between the external sources provided. For example, for the year 1922, compare Israeli - Palestinian ProCon.org[1] with Mideastweb[2]. I would think that all verifiable figures should be presented in the table.--DieWeibeRose 03:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I tried to help here, using reputable sources and noting each figure. If there is competing data, we should list it her (such as the 1948 UN estimate) it should be included. The Mideast web data looks quite solid, though. --Goodoldpolonius2 06:23, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Excellent work. I've moved the Focus on Jerusalem link to external links since it is not a source. I'm inclined to delete it entirely unless someone objects.--DieWeibeRose 07:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

In relation to a political document, is there any doubt of the importance of its author and payer? Yet, DieWeibeRose first omitted and later removed this vital information. Is there a good reason? ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 21:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Intercommunal relations

Do you guys envision a place for the deleted Intercommunal relations section in a separate article or in some other existing article? The content was merged from Jerusalemite, which is now a redirect, after some discussion there. nadav (talk) 20:06, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems to be the same kind of information that exists on so many of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict pages. If there is an especially germane fact, then it should be merged. My specific rationale:

• the "Qudsi" line seems to be the only really encyclopaedic bit, but it is extrapolated from a vaguely worded comment by the writer of the feature. If the phenomena is truly notable, it should have better sourcing.
• Catholic relations bit should be in one of the religion Jerusalem subarticles, or due to its broad scope, in Religion in Israel or Roman Catholicism in Israel, assuming that the source is judged reliable (of which I'm not certain, though the phenomena may be accurate).
• If there will be a discussion of the level of social interaction between the demographic groups, it should be multiply sourced to discussion of Jerusalem's unique situation, and not based on a noncentral aside mentioned in a thesis on the related but not on-topic issue of film as a conduit to dialogue.
• Facts about the al-Aqsa Intifada and Status of East Jerusalem residents are amply mentioned in those entries.

To reiterate, we shouldn't be repeating information about the general conflict here, and if we are going to create a socialogic discussion, then it should have high-quality relevant and explicit sourcing. Tewfik^Talk 02:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Muqaddasi quote

"In 985 the Arab writer Muqaddasi stated that "The mosque is empty. The Jews constitute the majority of Jerusalem’s population".^[1]"

Hi all, this is a very nice quote but on its own, without any context explaining the shifts after the Muslim invasion, it seems out of place. It also comes across as an attempt to say the Jews were were before the Palestinians. It would be nice to see the quote re-inserted. Please find a way to balance it within some context. Thanks, LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 06:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Population Table

I came here open-minded, but I have to say, the table is very very strange. I get the impression the table's starting point seems to be the Jewish population (Did I misunderstand?) This seems a bit strange on a page that is not titled: "Jewish presence in Jerusalem" but rather "Demographics of Jerusalem." A single table on Jerusalem's population, not focused exclusively, or mainly, on the Jewish population, could not be found? Am I completely off here? Can someone please explain? LamaLoLeshLa (talk) 07:07, 19 May 2008 (UTC)