Talk:Demographics of Brazil

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[edit] Health

"...Brazil's most problematic disease is AIDS."

I live in Brazil, and this is certainly not true. According to the Brazilian Health Ministry, circulatory diseases are the main cause of death in Rio de Janeiro, followed by cancer and accidents and violence.

http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/presidencia/noticias/29092003estatisticasecxxhtml.shtm

It should be confirmed, but I'm quite positive that this reflects the situation in the whole country.

Also, tuberculosis and hansen´s disease (leprosy) have a much higher incidence in Brazil than AIDS.

[edit] Old Cleanup Archive

Taken from the old Cleanup entry:

[edit] Race

Shouldn't this article cover stuff from Race#Race_in_Brazil? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 23:40, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

On the famous Brazilians pictures, someone has a racial agenda on portraying their country's racial composition. Where's Pele? He's a great Brazilian. Football/Soccer player. Oh, because he's black? Come on, add his picture. I mean most white Brazilians and black Brazilians have the same ancestry, but have different skin colors. To paste his photo (available in his article) won't hurt the country's image or the pictures project. 63.3.14.1 13:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
He has been added. --(Ptah, the El Daoud 20:02, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Just curious

What makes guys like cafu and rinaldiho considered black in brazil but guys like rinaldo considered multiracial?

Race definition is much more difficult than this article seems to imply. It is not true that "White Brazilians are all people who descend from White immigrants." (which would be the opposite of the "one drop" policy from the United States). Most of the people considered black have some european ascendancy, and, by definition, everyone of the pardos also do (pardos are the mixed type). I've said this on the Brazil article, and repeat it here. Those girls are not representative of the Brazilian population, not even the white population. To give an idea, Ronaldo himself does not consider him to be multiracial, but white, and that is what his birth certificate states. The section "Race in Brazil or the "Race" article seems to be a lot more accurate on these issues.

[edit] Truth or myth? The "Lost Americans" of Brazil

Frequently told in Brazil history and human geography was a tale (was it a myth)? Definitely aren't lies, it was even quoted by US senator Storm Thurmond himself in a 1964 Civil Rights referendum.(on the dangers of "big government" made Americans long ago left the US like we're a dictatorship!)

The prospect of open lands and political asylum for displaced post-civil war US citizens indeed fled the Southern US to Brazil. You should read the articles on Americana, Sao Paulo and Campinas to learn more on these cities' early settlement in the 1860's. I object to the deleted entry under "rvv lies" and let me repeat what that entry stated. 63.3.14.1 20:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

<<After the U.S. Civil war, over 15,000 Americans fleeing the war-torn Confederate States of America came to Brazil to continue their plantation economy (and slavery was abolished in 1888). Their master-planned communities of the state of São Paulo, and to a smaller extent, the rubber producing cities of Manaus and Belem, are testaments to a small migration of Anglo-Americans to assist in development of Brazil. [citation needed]>>

Was there a Brazilian city settled by Americans from the southeast, known to flew a historic Confederate flag on a hilltop until the early 1990s? I heard of the tale about it a few times, must been Americana, Sao Paulo or neighboring Campinas. If anyone is able to provide enough resources and info. to verify what I stated, post here below my comment. Thanks. + Mike D 26 13:01, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nothing on the Cherokee in Brazil

The Cherokee are native Americans from North America, but their long exposure and contact with western culture (Anglo-American) changed the tribe to an agricultural society modeled on the white European neighbors (the US). In the late 19th century, due to pressure by American policy with Native Americans, there was a small migration of Cherokees and Choctaws into Brazil, most of them settled in the São Paulo area. I never knew what became of their descendants, might had blended in and lost their heritage over time in South America or were treated simply as "NorteAmericanos". I've heard at least 40,000 Brazilians may qualify to join the Cherokee Nation in Tahlequah, Oklahoma, but the tribal board may look at it carefully to examine the "lost tribe" of other Cherokees said to lived in Cuba, Mexico and Venezuela. 63.3.14.1 13:57, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Multiracial" Brazilians

This sections seem like original research.

First of most sights I have seen and books I have read, refer to the "Multiracial" (in this context) Brazilians as Mulatto. These two terms are not synonymous, and should not be used in that sense.

Also, the section states that Brazil has adopted a U.S. version of the One Drop Rule. Now if I am mistaken, I thought it was the reverse of the U.S. one drop rule (meaning a little "white" doesn't make you black) and that social status was also an important factor in race labeling. Someone please comment so this section can be fixed. Shakam 00:55, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Since no one has said anything, I preceded to make changes per WP:NOR. Shakam 21:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Mulatto does not exist in Brazilian census. I do not know why you keep talking about it. I AM FROM BRAZIL and nobody here uses the term mulatto to classify someone's race.

Mulatto in Brazil is used to describe black female samba dancers.

The term used in Brazil is Pardo, which does not mean mulatto (mixed White and Black), Pardo means brown.

Brazil racial classification is based only in SKIN COLOR, not in Race. Mulatto is a Race, not a skin color.

Opinoso

[edit] Stop deleting directory of ethnic groups in Brazil

Someone like an ANON or an admin insists on constant deletion and reediting of the list of Brazil's ethnic groups/communities. Please stop it or you'll get blocked. I like the original edits restored, because there are several hundreds and thousands of Brazilian descendants from European countries. The problem is someone (possibly not a Brazilian) don't like to face the facts on Brazil is a mixed white (Caucasian)-black (African)-Asian (like Japanese or Chinese or Indians)-Amerindian (indigenous) country. Brazil is an example of harmonious racial admixture for the last 400 years, but the country does have a large socioeconomic class divide and improvement needs to get done. 63.3.14.1 20:11, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Who will be blocked is YOU. Your post is pathetic, including ethnic groups that does not even exist in Brazil. Norwegians in Brazil? Please, don't make me lagh.

Look...I'm using an ANON IP, so it's unlikely I made or restored the edits. Whoever included every race is beyond me, but 20 other ethnic groups he/she added are too small or recently came to Brazil without an official record. Did you check out the Brazilian census reports or other reliable sources? If there are more races and nations in Brazil, let's find any population figures from major cities. I bet it's more diverse than anyone can think of. + 63.3.14.129 00:57, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Brazil does have small populations of descent groups: Britons (English, Welsh and Scots), the Irish from Ireland, Scandinavians like Danes and Swedes, and Australian (the well-reported colonization effort of a small socialist-influenced "Nueva Australia" sect came to western Brazil in the 1890's). They are negligible to be recorded above 0.5 percent in the Brazilian national census, but Brazil is an amazingly culturally diverse country. Mike D 26 07:29, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] White space

There's quite a bit of white space to the right of the "Contents" box. If anyone has a creative way to fill it, go for it! --(Ptah, the El Daoud 19:51, 2 May 2007 (UTC))

[edit] White Brazilians

In my humble opinion, this section should be renamed to something else, or diluted into other sections. It doesn't sound like a title from the 21st. century. FilipeS 18:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I switched all of the White Brazilian references to Caucasian Brazilians... --(Ptah, the El Daoud 04:38, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

Sorry to be a spoil sport, but I don't like that either. In fact, between the two, I'd prefer "white", which is what Brazilians would say. But I think it would be better to just have sections on "the Portuguese-Brazilians", "the Italian-Brazilians", "the German-Brazilians" and so on, and leave it at that. Let the reader decide who is white and who isn't, if he must. FilipeS 11:11, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the "Caucasian" edit, and, while your proposal is certainly worth discussing, I think that we should receive more input before we take any serious steps in that direction. Furthermore, if we do make such a change, we're going to have to also gut the Asian Brazilian section (for, due to historical circumstance--both recent and old--Chinese and Korean citizens do not like to be lumped into the same category as the Japanese), and perhaps even the Afro-Brazilian section as well (after all, people who know that they are decedents of the Yoruba may also take offense at over generalization). In the end, I think that the easiest (i.e, the most politically correct) categorization method could be a strict shift toward purely geographic qualifiers (Aboriginal Brazilians, Afro-Brazilians, East Asian Brazilians, European Brazilians, Middle Eastern Brazilians). I do not believe that the use of the term "European Brazilians" will cause great offense to any particular ethnic group if geographic categorization is clearly in use throughout the article. --(Ptah, the El Daoud 19:04, 11 May 2007 (UTC))

I agree with all you wrote, including that we should probably wait for other opinions before making any changes. In my opinion, classifications should be done in one of two ways:

  • According to nationality or, in the lack of information about nationality, by geographical region or continent.
  • According to official definitions used by the Brazilian government (such as the ones used in the Census).

For everything else, the reader should be allowed to make up his own mind. FilipeS 19:43, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese constituting the largest Asian minority?

The article claims that the Japanese make up the largest Asian minority in Brazil with 1.5 million of Japanese descent, but aren't there about 9 million Lebanese? 193.193.85.118 11:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Good question: I can answer the continent where Lebanon, Syria and the Middle East is located entirely in Asia (or Southwest Asia). The population of other Asians in Brazil includes ethnic Chinese, Koreans, Filipinos, east Indians from both India and Pakistan, and Armenians from Iran or Turkey whom are mistakenly called "Turks", alike the Arabs in the country.

Another thing to point out is the Ottoman Empire encompassed southeastern Europe by the 1910's, includes non-Islamic elements of the population, then lived under Turkish rule: ethnic Albanians, Bulgarians, Greeks, Romanians and Yugoslavians, but were predominantly Christian. They are also numerous in Brazil and manage to preserve their ethnic identity.+ Mike D 26 07:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Confusion

I'm working on a WikiProject to reduce the number of links to the Congo disambiguation page and instead have these lead to the specific article. Which Congo is being referenced here, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, or the Republic of the Congo? "Another important ethnic group, Africans, first arrived as slaves. Many came from Guinea, or from West African countries - by the end of the eighteenth century many had been taken from Congo, Angola and Mozambique (or, in Bahia, from Nigeria). Tserton 15:03, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

I do not know, but I guess both, because they probably were part of the same region during the slavery, three centuries ago. Opinoso 01:57, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Brazilian day.jpg

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[edit] CIA Factbook information about the population is totally wrong

I've noticed the terrible error in the CIA Factbook data as for the Brazilian population growth and now it's been copied here. I think there should be a correction or at least more search about it. AIDS isn't a very prevailent health disease in Brazil. Most of the deaths in Brazil are due to: 1) circulatory diseases; 2) cancer; 3) external causes (accidents, murders, suicides, etc.); and 4) contagious diseases. AIDS isn't even one of the most disseminated contagious diseases in Brazil, with much higher levels of contamination by malaria, tuberculosis, dengue, etc.

Besides, it's worldly recognized that the Brazilian health programs to prevent AIDS have been among the most successful in the world. According to the Brazilian Government site about the AIDS (http://www.aids.gov.br/data/Pages/LUMIS13F4BF21PTBRIE.htm), it was estimated that in 2004 0,61% of the Brazilians had AIDS (not died of AIDS), which is not a sufficient number to explain the decrease of the whole population growth.

The estimated population for 2000 was larger than the real one certainly for a simple reason: the fertility rate in Brazil is now quite low, in the level of some European countries (1,88). The demographic transition in Brazil is reaching a further point. That's a much more credible and correct explanation. Then you count the emmigration of some thousands of people every year and then you understand why the population has grown in a less fast pace than was estimated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.12.45.136 (talk) 19:44, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

BetacommandBot 19:41, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Population of Brazil

Population is already covered in this article. Another article about the population of Brazil is superfluous.

Neelix (talk) 23:51, 24 March 2008 (UTC)