Talk:Demographic history of Vojvodina
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[edit] Hungarian and Croat emigrees
I think that the noticeable emigration of Hungarians and Croats in the 1990s during Milosevic's reign (especially Hungarians) should be added. --PaxEquilibrium 21:58, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
- If you check data about nationality of people who emigrated from Vojvodina during the 1990s, you will notice interesting fact that largest number of them were Serbs (regime of Milošević was equally bad for Serbs as it was bad for non-Serbs and if we would mention data about these emigrations, we should mention them correctly). PANONIAN 21:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
- However unlike Serbs, those Hungarians and Croats left because they were Croats and Hungarians. I will never be able to forget things like Hrtkovci and other crimes against humanity conducted by Seselj... or that Catholic Church raised to the ground by the Unit. I know how miniature this crimes were (when compared to Srebrenica or Operation Storm), but they still deserve a mention - no? --PaxEquilibrium 18:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
- So? If we mention how many Serbs fled from this region escaping from war and misery under the rule of Milošević, then I do not see why we cannot mention Croats and Hungarians as well. I mean, how you expect that minorities could feel safe in the country where members of majority nation could not feel safe? In another words, if we writte about these things, then we have to blame regime for these things, and not to blame ordinary Serbs, who were main victims of that regime. PANONIAN 16:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, yeah; just write it. ;))) --PaxEquilibrium 14:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- Why me? You proposed this, so you should write it right? However, I will look to improve anything that you writte. PANONIAN 21:16, 24
- Thanks for Hrtkovci link Pax. Now I am more angry on PANONIAN !! Why ?? In article Bunjevci he is reverting any words which speak that Bunjevci are Croats or that they have come in today lands from territory where Croatians are majority. Because in article Hrtkovci is writen: "In 1737, about 1,600 Catholic Albanians from Klimenti clan came to Srem." I now know that PANONIAN hate Croats. Until now in my thinking he has been very great Serbian nationalist from Vojvodina which only want to show how Vojvodina has been always Serbian land. Now I know that he is Croatophobic. --Rjecina 19:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Bunjevci article in fact speak that part of Bunjevac population consider themselves Croats, but I only reverted "user" (or rather sockpuppet) who wanted to delete some details about those Bunjevci who do not consider themselves Croats. Regarding Catholic Albanians who settled in Hrtkovci, that is historical fact, so what you have against it? Do you hate Albanians or what? And one more thing: how can I be "great Serbian nationalist" when I only trying to remove greater Croatian and greater Hungarian POV from articles about Serbia? (an "great Serbian nationalist" would be engaged in pushing his POV into articles about neighbouring countries, the same thing that you doing here, by the way). PANONIAN 12:47, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
- Thanks for Hrtkovci link Pax. Now I am more angry on PANONIAN !! Why ?? In article Bunjevci he is reverting any words which speak that Bunjevci are Croats or that they have come in today lands from territory where Croatians are majority. Because in article Hrtkovci is writen: "In 1737, about 1,600 Catholic Albanians from Klimenti clan came to Srem." I now know that PANONIAN hate Croats. Until now in my thinking he has been very great Serbian nationalist from Vojvodina which only want to show how Vojvodina has been always Serbian land. Now I know that he is Croatophobic. --Rjecina 19:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
- Why me? You proposed this, so you should write it right? However, I will look to improve anything that you writte. PANONIAN 21:16, 24
- Yeah, yeah; just write it. ;))) --PaxEquilibrium 14:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
- So? If we mention how many Serbs fled from this region escaping from war and misery under the rule of Milošević, then I do not see why we cannot mention Croats and Hungarians as well. I mean, how you expect that minorities could feel safe in the country where members of majority nation could not feel safe? In another words, if we writte about these things, then we have to blame regime for these things, and not to blame ordinary Serbs, who were main victims of that regime. PANONIAN 16:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
- However unlike Serbs, those Hungarians and Croats left because they were Croats and Hungarians. I will never be able to forget things like Hrtkovci and other crimes against humanity conducted by Seselj... or that Catholic Church raised to the ground by the Unit. I know how miniature this crimes were (when compared to Srebrenica or Operation Storm), but they still deserve a mention - no? --PaxEquilibrium 18:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Are the numbers for 1910 correct?
The book "A short history of the Yugoslav peoples" by Fred Singleton claims that the Hungarian census of 1910 showed that there were 421567 Magyarspeaking people, 381000 Serbs and 301035 Germans, and finally some 150000 Vlachs, Slovaks, Ruthenes, Russians,.... Who is right?Evilbu (talk) 20:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
- Difference between your data and data in article is not so great. Maybe I am mistaking but your census data for 1910 is from Banat, Baranya and Bačka (which has been part of Hungary inside Austro-Hungary). If you add to this numbers census data of Syrmia (which has been part of Croatia inside Austro-Hungary) then you numbers will be more or less OK (now mistake is around 10 %). If you are interested to read more about this you can look discussion on Talk:Creation of Yugoslavia --Rjecina (talk) 15:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
