Talk:Democracy in Marxism
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I cut and pasted an earlier version of the section of Democracy to make this article.
Here is a newer version, below, which can be incorporated into this new article, as needed. Travb (talk) 15:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
The Marxist view is fundamentally opposed to liberal democracy believing that the capitalist state cannot be democratic by its nature, as it represents the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. Marxism views liberal democracy as an unrealistic utopia. This is because they believe that in a capitalist state all "independent" media and most political parties are controlled by capitalists and one either needs large financial resources or to be supported by the bourgeoisie to win an election. Marx described parliamentary democracy as "deciding once in three or six years which member of the ruling class was to misrepresent the people in Parliament"[1] Thus Lenin (1917) believed that in a capitalist state, the system focusses on resolving disputes within the ruling bourgeosie class and ignores the interests of the proletariat or labour class which are not represented and therefore dependent on the bourgeoisie's good will: "Democracy for an insignificant minority, democracy for the rich – that is the democracy of capitalist society. If we look more closely into the machinery of capitalist democracy, we see everywhere, in the “petty” – supposedly petty – details of the suffrage (residential qualifications, exclusion of women, etc.), in the technique of the representative institutions, in the actual obstacles to the right of assembly (public buildings are not for “paupers"!), in the purely capitalist organization of the daily press, etc., etc., – we see restriction after restriction upon democracy. These restrictions, exceptions, exclusions, obstacles for the poor seem slight, especially in the eyes of one who has never known want himself and has never been in close contact with the oppressed classes in their mass life (and nine out of 10, if not 99 out of 100, bourgeois publicists and politicians come under this category); but in their sum total these restrictions exclude and squeeze out the poor from politics, from active participation in democracy.” (Lenin, State and Revolution, Chapter 5) However, most of these restrictions do not longer apply; women have the vote and there is today no property requirement.
Moreover, even if representatives of the proletariat class are elected in a capitalist country, Marxists claim they have limited power over the country's affairs as the economic sphere is largely controlled by private capital and therefore the representative's power to act is curtailed. Essentially, minarchists (only a small minority of those supporting liberal democracy) claim that in the ideal liberal state the functions of the elected government should be reduced to the minimum (i.e. the court system and security). Hence Marxists-Leninists see a socialist revolution necessary to bring power into hands of opperrsed classes. Lenin insisted that bougeous democracy in fact a dictatorship of bougeoisie[2], while dictatorship of proletariat is a highest possible form of democracy (for those considered the working class) and should use violence against opposing classes.
Communist states are widely seen as being de facto dictatorships by bougeious criticists, since the elections they held tended to be heavily rigged. [2] See also Criticisms of communist regimes and Criticisms of Marxism. Supporters of liberal democracy point to the Marxists make these claims without any supporting evidence and instead point to many empirical studies:
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[edit] Moving article and references
This article should be moved to "Democracy in Marxism" the "Marxist theory" header is not needed, it would be the same as putting "Marxist philosophy". Also much of what this article is based on can be found in several books. Including "The Civil War in France" by Karl Marx, which serves as the foundation, Lenin's "The State and Revolution" and most of Trotsky's books would also provide useful information since he dedicated his life to fighting Stalinism and totalitarianism until he was esentially martyred. Of noteworthy mention is "The Revolution Betrayed" and "Results and Prospects". These are the books I will be researching to improve this article, if you want to add reliable information I suggest you take a look at them. They can all be found online at http://marxists.org/. (Demigod Ron 06:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC))