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The information retracted from the article is available from almost any source, including, but not limited to, installation programs. Seeing as how installations are public ceremonies, the officers of a chapter would not be protected information. To quote the editor, "...grew it would."

Thank you to whoever fixed this article!

[edit] Name

This article sould be renamed DeMolay International, DeMolay no longer refers to itself as the Order of DeMolay.

Done Avador 07:27, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This is not entirely true - DeMolay in Australia still refers to itself as the Order of DeMolay
The name DeMolay International applies to what was then called the International Supreme Council, the governing body of the Order. The name "Order of DeMolay" is still used.

Nirdla2707 06:34, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Additions wanted

I would like to see the sponsoring body's functions, the advisory board's functions, the Dad Advisor's functions, what it takes to found a chapter and maintain one, a list of offices and how the officers are chosen and their duties, a likely program, and a description of the principal ancillary organizations: DeMolay Clubs and priories of the DeMolay Order of Knighthood. What does anyone else think? I know how most of this was thirty or forty years ago, but don't know how it is now. If we get this, the article will have what the organization's website didn't have, last time I looked. J S Ayer 18:26, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clinton

I can't find any references of Bill Clinton being named an honorary IMC. He is in the hall of fame, but I think that's it. Generally Honorary IMCs are given out to people who worked hard for DeMolay.

Clinton apparently says in his book that he was a Chapter MC, but the IMC web references seem to come from here and get populated to other sites. This is easy to solve, though, as one can simply email DeMolay Intl. and ask them if Clinton is an IMC or not. MSJapan 16:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, he's a chapter MC, he was NEVER an IMC.

[edit] Treasurer appointed?

Aren't there four elected officers: the 3 councilors and the treasurer, b/c he handles the chapter's money? Or was it just in my chapter that the treasurer was elected? 12.201.118.36 07:01, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cleanup Suggested

This article could use a little revision. Any suggestions? As soon as a consensus is taken on how the article should look, the cleanup tag should be removed.

We need to add some more history of the organization, change some diction, add some links to state websites etc.
Yes, yes, and no. This article is not supposed to be a list of stuff, and the state sites should be accessible via the main DeMolay site. This is an encyclopedia article, not a web portal. But that gives me an idea, which I will consider further after I fix this article. MSJapan 17:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Appendant Body?

It was my understanding that DeMolay is a Masonic Sponsored organization, that it doesn't have the same status that the York Rite or the Shrine does?

Done MDEdmonds 05:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
No - all York Rite and Shriners are Masons, but DeMolays aren't. Bill Clinton is a DeMolay who never joined the Masons, for example.--SarekOfVulcan 22:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Alice Cooper

AFAIK Alice was never a Senior DeMolay, this is a popular legend that is often talked about in Chapters, but according to most Officials, and from personal research I have done (I am a DeMolay, living in Arizona after all), this is false. Avador

[edit] Racist history

As a Demolay member growing up in the 70s I recall reading an encyclopedia entry (World Book, circa 1954) about the Order stating that membership was "open to white Christian boys". We had black members at the time, so this requirement was obsolete, but it would be interesting to see an "unauthorized" history of DeMolay featuring this and other information.67.160.170.214 14:34, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Not here you won't. Hearsay and personal recollection don't work in an encyclopedia. MSJapan 17:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
Of course not.. and presumably, they didn't work in a early-50's World Book either. I'm not suggesting that personal recollections be included, only that there might be room for an objective history of the organization's eligibility standards.67.160.170.214 19:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

As far as I am aware, there have never been any membershgip requirements with regards to race or religious belief (with the exception of atheists). Though I would not be at all surprized if any such requirements were adopted in the southern states & jurisdictions during the years of segragation, nonetheless nothing like this has ever been recorded. Avador 19:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Um, I was a member in the 1980s. On paper, there was never any mention of any racial restrictions, and the organization claimed to be open. But I think many of the individual chapters had a lot of resistance to the idea of African-American members. I also believe there were parallel organizations (Knights of Pythagoris?) that reinforced this. In any case, if more information about this is found, it should clearly be added to the article - provided it's verifiable info and presented in a neutral way. NickBurns 18:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links

In order to prevent this article from becoming a list of links, I propose we do not add any external links to any DeMolay organizations aside from the main site. On another note, it should also prevent the edit warring going on with the Brazil link. MSJapan 12:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Conspiracy theories

Amazing that there are no conspiracy theories mentioned here. :) metaspheres 09:49, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

That is because, unlike Masonry, DeMolay has never been accused or attacked by any conspiracy theories whatsoever. Avador 03:42, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
I have a difficult time accepting that, considering that there are conspiracy theories about virtually every single human (and some non-human!) organization on the planet. Even the Boy Scouts have been attacked as being part of a vast right-wing conspiracy. DeMolay is also obviously connected to Masonry, making it an easy target. Considering to what ridiculous lengths writers like David Icke will go to in order to show patterns and connections, if what you claim is true, then it is definitely one for the books. Hell, this should warrant an entry in the Guinness World Book of Records. metaspheres 20:50, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
Even so, that is only pure, unsourced speculation, and is considered original research. Avador 05:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] "every" chapter sponsered by a masonic body

I have herd that Virginia Masonry does not recodnize DeMolay as a masonic body and will not sponcer any DeMolay chapters. I could be wrong however, I am in Washington state, still it's what i've herd.

Nope, I'm involved with Virginia DeMolay and Virginia Masonry and can assure you that this is most definitely not true. Darwin16 14:06, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] suggested merger

Do we really need seperate articles on Rainbow, DeMolay, Job's Daughters, and Triangle? Why not merge them into one article on "Masonic Youth Organizations"? Blueboar 19:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Never mind... after discussing at other articles I can see it will not work. Blueboar 23:01, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Moving this article beyond start class

The big thing I notice is that the article is woefully short on references and citations. I think this is a must do first step to move this remotely towards GA status. Blueboar 23:00, 13 June 2007 (UTC)