Wikipedia talk:Deletion guidelines for administrators
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[edit] re fluff
I restored "fluff", because I think it's fair to give attribution to the document we're quoting, and I think the aside, while non-essential, is a helpful one. I care modeately more about the former, though I don't have a terribly strong opinion on either.
[edit] Voting and consensus
It's still not clear, so I deleted the intro sentence to the "Rough consensus" section:
- An aspect of Wikipedia that confounds many people is the fact that there is essentially no formal voting, and informal votes or straw polls are rare.
The section from which the above sentence was deleted seems to both confirm and deny that voting is an essential part of the Wikipedia:article deletion process. Which is it? That we vote? Or that we do not vote?
Seems to me it's that we do vote but that we do not want to say that votes determine the result. If that's it, let's say it - plainly. Uncle Ed 14:22, August 4, 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Relisting and AFD closure
This question is somewhat related to the last I put here. I often (and perhaps to the chagrin of some) relist AFD discussions that I feel need more input to lead to consensus. I subsequently monitor those discussions and do not wait for the passage of another 5-day period before closing them if I feel that a consensus has been reached, but rather close them myself (recent examples: 1, 2, 3). Is this a generally accepted practice - closing a relisted AFD as soon as rough consensus appears to have been reached? I think that this practice is consistent with the spirit of the AFD process, but if the general consensus is that I should stop this type of closure, I will cease and desist. Thanks for your input, User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:24, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] New process for pages with over 5000 revisions
The software has just now been changed so that it won't let non-developers delete anything that has over 5000 revisions. If there's a page with a BLP violation or some other emergency (like the virus put in the sandbox that caused this latest incident) that needs deleting, then until developers can be contacted and they handle it, someone with oversight needs to be contacted and the page oversighted. Deletion of such a page stalls the system, while oversighting doesn't. WAS 4.250 (talk) 06:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 'Protecting deleted pages' needs an update
The section on Protecting deleted pages tells you to go see either Wikipedia:Protected deleted pages or Wikipedia:Protected titles, both of which have big red Xs on them. This suggests that a new page of explanation *without* a big red X ought to be created. My surmise is that the new MediaWiki feature is now the preferred method. I assume, never having done this, that an admin should go through the dialog to create a new page, and then before creating it, hit the 'Protect' tab. Presumably this causes the result to show up in Special:Protectedtitles. Is it correct that this replaces the cascading protection method of doing protected titles? I won't try to revise this section due to my obvious lack of knowledge. EdJohnston (talk) 05:17, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Wikipedia:non-negotiable does not exist
Wikipedia policy, which requires that articles and information be verifiable, avoid being original research, not violate copyright, and be written from a neutral point of view is not negotiable, and cannot be superseded by any other guidelines or by editors' consensus. A closing admin must determine whether any article violates policy, and where it is very unlikely that an article on the topic can exist without breaching policy, it must be respected above individual opinions.
Wikipedia:non-negotiable does not exist. Wikipedia:Consensus is policy. So this paragraph has been taken out and shot. (yes, I know that this also means that I might actually get into trouble in certain MFD situations later... I'll just have to live with that.)
--Kim Bruning (talk) 11:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- Non of the linked policies now claim to be non-negotiable. The only exception was NPOV, which I corrected back in line with m:Foundation Issues. --Kim Bruning (talk) 11:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
- However, there actually is a difference between guidelines and policies, and the core content policies are non-negotiable. WP:CONSENSUS does not trump any of them. Jayjg (talk) 22:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
