Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2007 October 19

Jamie Szantyr (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (restore|cache|AfD)

Jamie Szantyr, a.k.a. Talia Madison is a now notable TNA Knockout and the article that was recreated earlier was a very good article, very well written, and was "procedurally" deleted by anetode. I believe it should be restored.Tyler Warren ^{(talk/contribs)} 10:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Note: Deleted per G4 as the third recreation of Talia Madison. ˉˉ^anetode╦╩ 11:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Note: Should not have been deleted, should be restored. She's a well known talent now. Also, we have an article for the guy who designs costumes for the wrestlers for god sakes! He's barely notable, and yet he gets a page. I know a few people around here who think that's pretty retarded. Tyler Warren ^{(talk/contribs)} 11:03, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Isn't it a bit bigoted to use the word "retarded" to mean "stupid" (sort of like using "Jewish" to mean "stingy" or "nigger-rigged" to mean "poorly assembled")? At the very least, it could be argued that your apparent bigotry makes your entire argument less palatable. Just sayin'... Heather 22:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

• Endorse Deletion (and salt?) - she was not notable when the debate was closed two weeks ago and she remains not notable three recreations later. B1atv 13:24, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse. As mentioned above. Wasn't notable two weeks ago. Members of the Wrestling Wikiproject voted delete in that AfD...I mean...there wasn't a single keep argument and those with knowledge of the subject voted to delete her...what more do you want? Smashville 15:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
  • It's also worth noting that the person who nominated the article for deletion, while not a part of WP:Wrestling, probably should be based on his edit history. Smashville 15:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse I find it hard to believe her notability has exploded so much in 2 weeks that it should override the unanimous Afd consensus. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 17:14, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse deletion per Starblind and Smashville. People don't become notable overnight, and if members of WikiProject Professional Wrestling voted delete, then you know they aren't notable. There doesn't seem to be any good reason to recreate the article now anyway. I would also recommend SALTing the article unless notability is established. NASCAR Fan24^{(radio me!)} 22:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Comment I made Austin Creed yesterday, because he was at TNA's Bound For Glory and so far nobody has no problems with it. He's in the same boat as Talia, so what's the big deal. If Talia ends up working for TNA, I'm recreating the bloody page because then she'll be notable. End of story. Tyler Warren ^{(talk/contribs)} 22:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse and Salt, clearly this page is going to continually be recreated. Salt both Jamie Szantyr and Talia Madison. Tyler, make a page in your sandbox with third-party references. When she gets a notable storyline or wins the TNA Women's Championship, then it can be moved into mainspace. Nikki311 00:08, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• oppose Jamie announced on her official blog today that she has been signed to a contract with TNA. That makes her notable in my book. Some guys need to get their heads out of their asses as to how many times an article has been deleted before, things change, and she is a notable wrestler with a major promotion now. ShyGuy69 19:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
• Endorse and salt - Lack of reliable sources in the recreated article failed to address the problems in the AfD. CSD A4 speedy delete valid. Use of "Jamie Szantyr" to recreate the article not a good way around the "Talia Madison" AfD." Comment None of the sources mention "Jamie Szantyr." In Atlanta Journal and Constitution, September 21, 2006, page 31, they mentioned "a women's match pitting April Hunter against Talia Madison." Miami Herald, June 15, 2007, Ring report, listed "A wrestling and sports memorabilia convention Friday, August 24, 2007 ...Legendary guests include Rowdy Roddy Piper ... Dawn Marie, Talia Madison and more." That's about it for reliable source information. Until there is more present to DRV, salt the topic. -- Jreferee t/c 23:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Your Face (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) (restore|cache|AfD)

Your Face is an Oscar-nominated film by director Bill Plympton. Why has it been deleted? Esn 06:57, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. The article was not about the film, but rather some nonsense about the "comeback" used in verbal discussion. Do some proper research before submitting an article to DRV. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I see what has gone on here. This was all a big mix up, and it partly my mistake for not properly checking the history with enough precision. Let me explain. It was once a legitimate article, but then, when a revert error occurred with the Bot-account user:Cluebot, the article was never reverted to the revision relating to the film, but rather a revision involving this nonsense. Then, an editor came along, nominated for speedy deletion, and I speedily deleted, without delving too deeply into the history. Of course, I will restore, and I do apologise for the harsh tone I used previously. But please note that this is probably not the correct venue for this; an ask at my talk page explaining what had happened would have made things much faster, and would have probably been more effective than this. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 07:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, I suspected that it was an article about the film previously, but since I don't have access to the history, I had no way of really knowing. Esn 08:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Judging by the logs, it was once a legitimate article (this is according to Zaninum). So what happened? And why shouldn't it be unprotected? I have no way to know what the page looked like before, but why not allow someone to create an article about the film under that name? According to WP:NCF, "When there is no risk of ambiguity or confusion with an existing Wikipedia article, let the title of the article be the same as the title of the film." Esn 07:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

And restored. -- Anonymous Dissident^Talk 08:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)