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1 Mitsubishi articles
2 Mitsubishi Delica production figures
3 Mitsubishi i
4 6million lancers sold
5 Orphaned fair use image (Image:1964debonair.jpg)
6 Orphaned fair use image (Image:DelicaD5.jpg)
7 Orphaned fair use image (Image:99dignity.gif)
8 Orphaned fair use image (Image:99proudia.gif)
9 S-AWC
10 New mitsubishi's 1.0 liter engine that redesigned smart four two uses
11 use this page
12 more work i'm afraid :)
13 RISE system
14 Incorporating RISE in car infobox?
15 BACK IN BLACK

Mitsubishi articles

Maybe we could try to work together on these articles rather than revert eachother. - Diceman 11:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite happy to work together - I disagreed with the necessity of mentioning the 380 in the maintext of the Mitsubishi Galant article after it was moved to the "related" field of the appropriate generation infobox - it has its own dedicated article and is therefore not just treated as a rebadged Galant (unlike the Grunder and 240M). However, after you restored it, I left well alone.

The Magna photo, however, did not need mirroring. There's no rule saying all car photos need to have the vehicle pointing the same way - that's a bizarre personal preference and there's no need for such an edit, especially since two of the photos are replaceable fair use or copyright and therefore inappropriate for WP (and I'm removing them just now). Why not get free alternative images to replace them? That'd help the article more. --DeLarge 11:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

"Bizarre" is your personal opinion. I only reverted your reversion due to no reason being given in your edit summary. On the subject of the current trend of tagging any image not created by a wikipedia user for deletion, some of those photos may not be replaced for a very long while or not at all (especially in the case of rare items). - Diceman 06:04, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

First, with regards to my edit summaries, I find your comment a little disingenuous considering that your edit summary consisted merely of the word "link". My edit summary did make clear that the edit was a reversion.

I agree that it may take time to replace fair use images of rare cars. But are you claiming the Magna was rare? What's worse is that the photo is of an American Diamante, not a Australian Magna. Unless you think that the two cars are interchangeable, and therefore that Mitsubishi Magna should be merged and redirected to Mitsubishi Diamante, the fair use claim fails on that as well. Frankly I don't even think the 3rd gen photo (another U.S. Diamante) should stay, but that at least is a Commons image so I left it for now.

If you genuinely think the article needs images that badly, what's to stop you taking photos yourself? Alternatively you could leave a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Automobiles/Requested images. Or, following the recommendations of User:SteveBaker (see talk:WikiProject Automobiles/Archive 4#Car brochures as fair use images WikiProject Automobiles), you may wish to contact an eBay seller or online owners' club and requesting permission to use their photos. We managed to get this rather excellent photo of an AMC Matador that way.

The photo of the VRX was a blatant copyvio, with the user who uploaded it dishonestly claiming it was a self-taken image in the public domain. Ten seconds of Googling uncovered the source at an Australian online motoring magazine, so that should unarguably be removed and deleted. --DeLarge 13:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Delica production figures

Thanks for the information. Excellent! Richard Harvey 09:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi i

I haven't really worked on GA/FA (or even DYK) at all, but what's there does look pretty well written and well referenced. A minor nitpick, ==External links== usually goes below ==References==/==Footnotes==. --Interiot 16:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

6million lancers sold

hi delarge

check this out official presentation

http://www.autospies.com/news/photo.aspx?photoId=16788&galleryId=842

http://www.autospies.com/news/Spies-give-you-an-early-preview-of-the-next-Mitsubishi-EVO-12186/

remeber when i gave you the link to autospyes for the engine code of 6b31 3.0 v6

i thought the galant was thebest selling mitsu nameplate? mhm..

cheers :) gnusmas --195.210.209.95 09:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh well, the Galant claim was referenced, but in retrospect it could be ambiguous; bestseller in America? Bestseller annually or cumulatively?

I'll try and get a better source to corroborate this, since I don't like just linking to a photo of a slide, even if it is official MMNA stuff. I'll also try to verify production numbers of the Minica; I won't make any bold claims for the Lancer until I know that. --DeLarge 12:19, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

here you go, a video source, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3536599999593053730, cheers "--195.210.231.251 21:55, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I added the sales figures to Mitsubishi Lancer, although with the current anti-Google Video/YouTube campaign I'll leave it as uncited. Given that there's no other refs in the article I think it's unlikely to be challenged. --DeLarge 10:42, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

here you go, http://www.allnewlancer.ca/, canadian lancer site, .pdf specifications (go to specs, click on download .pdf, but copy the direct link to the file for "best selling nameplates") its on the 2.page, keep up the good work, cheers, --193.95.236.216 21:16, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Well done -- that's perfect. Citation now added. --DeLarge 22:34, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

no problem, how about adding lancer to best selling nameplates? it's official (comulative global sales exceed 6million)--193.2.122.8 11:26, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Could do. I want to split the page up, though -- there's far too many cars on there now that aren't really "bestsellers", and it's becoming a bit difficult to navigate. Still, it would qualify as the bestselling Mitsubishi on the list. --DeLarge 11:53, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Orphaned fair use image (Image:1964debonair.jpg)

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S-AWC

hi delarge, we should also create S-AWC article and adding AYC and ASC to mitsu technologies, S-AWC (super all wheel control) = ACD (active center differential, need to create article) + AYC (active yaw control, article already exists) + ASC (active skid control, need to create).

here is a good source, http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/features/technology.asp and for AYC and ACD (http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/features/ayc.asp), ill try to find more links, when you get around to it, and i hope some day mitsubishi motors article gets "featured article" status, cheers :)--195.210.209.218 15:39, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Mitsubishi Motors will get there in the end. I still want to make sure that the underlying structure of all the supporting articles is up to scratch as well (see my mooted revised layout at User:DeLarge/Mitsubishi), so I'll need to improve MMAL dramatically, and also finish writing the two daughter articles about the DCX debaclé and the recall cover-up. Hopefully I can get that done by April, just in time to update the page with the fiscal 2006 data.

I've been ambivalent about creating too many pages about MMC tech; there's a risk of having stubs which could really be better served by redirects to more generic pages. I think S-AWC might end up being such a page, but we'll see. I was going to do one about their MVV lean burn tech, but couldn't find sufficient resources to justify a dedicated article. I'll just need to revise the lean burn page instead to reflect MMC's work, as I did with gasoline direct injection and balance shaft. It currently reads like Honda was the only company doing stuff like that in the early 1990s. --DeLarge 23:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

For research, there's a lot of detailed stuff on the global site. Just go to Google and type "<name of tech> site:mitsubishi-motors.com", and plenty of stuff is unearthed. That's how I built up the Super Select and INVECS pages.

well here's some info on MVV Mitsubishi Vertical Vortex, http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.za/featuresites/mm_history/GDI.asp , and more importantly (http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m3165/is_n9_v27/ai_11321093) 2 pages, i agree you should revise the lean burn article to include MMV, and add a redirect to that article in mitsubishi technologies....--193.95.237.164 17:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I saw that Ward's article a while back. It's a good source -- about the best I could find as well -- but I think it's probably better just to work on lean burn instead of trying to spread different lean burn pages too thinly. I've created a redirect at Mitsubishi Vertical Vortex with a category entry (which populates Category:Mitsubishi technologies), and I'll disambiguate MVV later. I think that's probably best. --DeLarge 23:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

New mitsubishi's 1.0 liter engine that redesigned smart four two uses

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mitsubishi_i#The_Smart_Connection.3F

there is a 1.0 liter engine which isnt listed in mitsubishi engined family unfortunetly, i dont know the designtion and other specifications....

maybe chrysler has listed the engine code in their press release.... have you heard about it?

cheers, --193.2.122.8 09:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

use this page

alot of info, reliable source btw, please fix my edits in 4g9x engines article, tx

have you heard about this "In addition to the base MIVEC principle, Mitsubishi also released a sophisticated MIVEC-MD (Modular Displacement) system in the ‘90s.

The MD system is an early form of cylinder deactivation which involves closing the intake and exhaust valves at light engine load. This means the driver must open the throttle further to maintain power and, as a result, pumping losses are reduced and active cylinder pressures are increased. This results in greater efficiency and fuel economy.

Depending on conditions, the MIVEC-MD system can reduce fuel consumption by 10 – 20 percent."

cheers --193.77.134.70 17:13, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Sonofagun. That's the first time I've ever seen a Mitsubishi engine family referred to the way we do on WP (with the x at the end). I always thought it was a horrible naming convention, but here it is externally verified. Oh well... Mind you, July 2006? If that journo reads WP, maybe he copied us? Argh.

I'd heard of MIVEC-MD, but couldn't have said much about it. I'll have a read through the links and see what can be added to the MIVEC page. --DeLarge 20:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

more work i'm afraid :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Mitsubishi_4B_engine#I_reccomend_enaming_to_4b1x

check my previous edits... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/195.210.209.242 and also this (i used a public pc) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/193.2.122.8

cheers --195.210.209.242 15:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

ok, i finally registered, just to let you know, keep up the good work delarge, i've been following you from the start :-D --MitsuFreak 19:14, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Just to double check... without divulging too much, is Mitsufreak your first registered ID? I thought you'd been around last year? --DeLarge 20:53, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

it's my second, lol, first was gnusmas7 :) --MitsuFreak 22:00, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

RISE system

hi delarge, i need your input on my Mitsubishi RISE sandbox page. What do you think? Is the page ready to be moved? I would like you to help me finish the article. Please, feel free to edit my sandbox page (expansion, grammar, layout...). I was hoping to find a logo for the RISE system, but i wasnt able to find any. I dont know what else to add to the page, because there are limited informations about the system. I could add a picture of a body shell of a specific model... I need your expertise. --MitsuFreak 09:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

I noticed yesterday(?) that you'd created the page (I must have been browsing through your contributions history) and I had mixed feelings about it since I'd tried myself a while ago and then gave up because I couldn't create a worthwhile article. However, your page looks great. The only thing I'd say is that it could do with more wikilinks, as it's obviously a very technical article and Wikipedia's supposed to be a general interest encyclopedia. That is, if a casual reader clicks on the Special:Random button, they should still be able to get through the article by using wikilinks to explain unfamiliar terms. Also, I've stopped putting the names of individual models in bold text (although I used to do that). Nowadays, the only text I put in bold is the article name (in the opening sentence), and any occurrences of text which is also the name of redirect articles.

However, it's ready to be moved to the Wikipedia mainspace, and integrated into the MMC technologies template as well. Any work needing to be done is very minor. Good job - better than my effort, for sure.

Also, Wikipedia's getting very sniffy about copyrighted images these days, so I'll get a fair use justification drafted to prevent the pic being deleted. --DeLarge 12:03, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

exellent, so how do we move it? should i use the move button above? I tried to be "neutral" as i could, i can expand the article even more, because RISE also monitors active safety features, so i can cite how many airbags, side curtain airbags... a specific car has and so on (abs, ebd, srs...). How about you move it? I never moved a page before...And is there a way of citing official press kits as sources, because i have them that offer more official info on RISE system, but i cant link to them....thank again,--MitsuFreak 12:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Update I managed to move it...--MitsuFreak 18:47, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Incorporating RISE in car infobox?

Currently only Template:Mitsubishi_Motors_technologies links to Mitsubishi RISE. How about adding "Safety body: RISE" in car infobox? Can it be done in mitsubishi car infobox? Alternatively, i must add RISE link in every mitsu car article. What do you think?--MitsuFreak 14:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Belated reply -- been a bit of a busy week at work, and I've needed a break from the place to recharge my batteries. Sometimes WP isn't worth the hassle.

I don't think it'd be wise to add the safety body section to {{Infobox Automobile}}, as strictly speaking the RISE system is just a brand name for a combination of features (much like their "Dynamic four" was a combination of 4WD, 4WS, 4W independent suspension and 4W ABS). If you think it should go in the infobox, I'd put it under "platform" as the closest match (albeit not 100% accurate), since that's often not "populated" in MMC articles. --DeLarge 22:53, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

BACK IN BLACK

first annual profit in 4 years

you should update the mmc page regarding revenue and profit....

presentation http://www.mitsubishi-motors.co.jp/corporate/ir/share/pdf/kessan/070426-5.pdf

full year results http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/ir/share/pdf/e/kessan/070426-4.pdf

newest facts and figures http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/ir/share/pdf/e/fact2006.pdf

Mitsubishi Motors Technical Review 2006 http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/pdf/2006/18e.pdf 60MB!

http://www.mitsubishi-motors.com/corporate/about_us/technology/review/e/2006.html specific papers in 2006 tech report

annual report for 2006 will be published later... regarding engine family naming, mitsubishi uses for example 4B1-type in most cases i recommend renaming or moving pages using that naming pattern, 6G7-type and so on (search the mmc media website....)

cheers...--MitsuFreak 11:51, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I'd received an e-mail from MMC Media Services when I came back from lunch; good news that the profitability from the last quarter's been sustained. Hopefully it's not just down to the plummeting dollar and they can get back on an even keel permanently. I'll update the main page just now. I'll also update the stats for MMNA, since I think the 2006 figures I added from The Pantagraph weren't like-for-like comparisons with previous years.

I'll also try and work on the engine pages very shortly; before the end of the weekend at the latest. --DeLarge 12:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

OK, that's the engine pages renamed. I went for the "6G7 engine" format rather than "6G7-type engine"; Mitsubishi seems to use both, but it seems more common away from MMC not to use the word "type". --DeLarge 14:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

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