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Template:Mitsubishi Motors vehicles

hello delarge

you have twice linked mitsubishi engines in the mitsu template like 4G5x and Astron family. They are the same.--194.165.122.1 21:56, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I know ~ that's why 4G5x and Astron (and the others) link to the same pages. If you check the history of the article, you'll see I inserted the extra links on 14:39, 6 July 2006 so that people who only know the alphanumeric codes can still navigate using the template, as explained in my edit summary. -- DeLarge 22:23, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


Mitsubishi's new engines

delarge there are new engine family's that mitsubishi recently developed 4B1-type (4b12 is the new 2.4 DOHC MIVEC for the new outlander, upcoming 4B11 DOHC MIVEC (which replaces 4g63) is for the new lancer ralliart and evo-x 4B11T and 4A9-type DOHC MIVEC which powers euro spec colt 1.3 and 1.5 liter

"Mitsubishi Motors began revamping its car engine lineup in 2004 to a common theme of high performance, low fuel consumption, low weight, and compact size. The new 3-liter V6 MIVEC engine powering the North American Outlander is the fourth new engine in this theme, following the 4A9-type 4-cylinder 1.3 and 1.5-liter units that power the European Colt launched in May 2004 (and the Japanese Colt from October 2004), the 4B1-type 4-cylinder 2.4-liter unit that powers the Japanese Outlander launched in October 2005 and the 3B2-type 3-cylinder 660cc engine that powers the i minicar launched in Japan in January this year."[1]

when you get around to it..... --193.95.238.82 22:09, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, that ties in with other info I have (The Mitsubishi i has a 3B20 three cylinder). I wonder what the 'B' stands for, now that they're no longer denoting the fuel type with that letter...? -- DeLarge 22:33, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
B stands for next generaration i guess but the A in 4A9 could also stand next gen, maybe mitsu is naming new engine familys in alphabetical order 4A9,4B1, who knows--193.95.218.254 20:48, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I know that they'd already used the 'A' code in a couple of engines, and it referred to an alloy cylinder head, but only as long as the entire range had such a design. 4A9x is a new one for me as well. That's more engine pages I'll have to create. -- DeLarge 11:59, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Done - created pages for Mitsubishi 4B engine and Mitsubishi 4B1x engine (both redirect to Mitsubishi GEMA engines). --DeLarge 17:10, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


Mitsubishi i

Updated DYK query On 11 August 2006, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Mitsubishi i, which you created. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

A very nice expansion. It's on the main page for DYK now. Thanks for the contribution! --Samir धर्म 06:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC)


New GEMA V6 family of engines

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent001/IMG_8974.jpg the new 3.0l SOHC MIVEC that will power the new outlander has a 6B31 engine code. a new engine family for you to create lol

more info here http://media.mitsubishicars.com/detail?mid=MIT2006041224953&mime=ASC

more mitsubishi info http://www.autospies.com/news/EXCLUSIVE-Spies-scoop-confidential-marketing-pitch-for-the-2007-Mitsubishi-Outlander-7865/

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.210.231.250 (talk • contribs) 20:39, August 23, 2006.

Dang, this GEMA business is generating a lot of new info. I'll create a Mitsubishi GEMA engines page that covers all the different versions, and a page for each individual family as per the current WP standard. New redlinks now added to the MMC template for now... --DeLarge 21:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Done - created page for Mitsubishi 6B engine (redirects to Mitsubishi GEMA engines). --DeLarge 17:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm struggling to find further references to support the original post, i.e. that the V6 is directly related to the GEMA family. Should the info not just be moved to the Mitsubishi 6B engine page and the redirect removed? --DeLarge 21:17, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
i think you're right. gema only makes 4cylinders, i agree, move the 6b31 to 6b page.... --195.210.217.225 10:41, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


Airtrek should be merged with Outlander

outlander is the global name, airtrek is only used in japan the airtrek article is also redundant because outlander article has much more information--195.210.244.182 13:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I've been thinking about this for a while. However, WP's proposed convention on naming car articles prefers redirecting to the name used in the home market. Currently, it's a bit complicated for MMC vehicles; the Mitsubishi GTO now follows this convention, but the Mitsubishi Galant Lambda does not (it redirects to Mitsubishi Sapporo).
In favour of Airtrek redirecting, I think Outlander is the name almost everywhere. However, the fact that Airtrek existed for a couple of years before Outlander arrived makes me want to give priority to the Japan market name. Decisions, decisions... I'll probably redirect to Outlander, simply because all the info's already there and it would therefore involve fewer changes. --DeLarge 17:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't know why I have your talk page on my watchlist, but since I've seen you discussing that, I'd like to say that it would be better to stick to the standards - i.e. home market name. I would ask an admin to help with the merger so that the resulting article would bear the Aitrek name. Regards, Bravada, talk - 17:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
This is getting complicated. I'd agree with what you're saying about the Airtrek in principle. However, according to this link to a Japan-based personal import company, the Airtrek may have been superseded in its home market, as only the Outlander is offered new (the same company offers only the Airtrek in their used models section). Also, there's no Airtrek listed on Mitsubishi's model lineup page. Recent edits by User:24.13.203.76 to both pages suggest the two exist in parallel in Japan, but I can't find evidence to corroborate that, unless all he's referring to are dealer stocks (as opposed to actual current factory production). --DeLarge 10:03, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
Well, according to the Japanese Mitsu site [2] (which, I believe, is more trustworthy), the new-gen car is indeed called Outlander in Japan too. The Airtrek does not seem to be sold in paralel (unless I missed something). If so, it might make sense to call the article Outlander. Cheers, Bravada, talk - 11:15, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
yes, even the new generation is called outlander in japan, airtrek should be merged, you should only add "1st generation outlander was marketed in japan as Airtrek", as the airtrek article has no important info,--195.210.227.21 12:06, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


is this guy serious?

Evolution 0? [3] --195.210.227.21 13:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Haha, that was actually quite amusing, but now deleted by this self-appointed Mitsupedia Nazi. Let's see if it reappears... --DeLarge 13:44, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


Mitsubishi-related articles

there are many mitsu related articles laying around.

i already added super active yaw control (AYC) to the main page, it needs a brief description.

found some more: [4] [5]

main page needs a mitsu technology category:

some pages should be created, like INVECS (Adaptive automatic transmission, learns driving style, adjusts for road conditions), TCL (world first Traction ControL system) percursor to the modern stability control systems

all info can be found here with links to source articles (scroll down) [6] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 193.77.132.203 (talk • contribs) 23:06, September 1, 2006.

I thought traction control was a Bosch innovation (see here (p.2)). The INVECS system is heavily based on/licenced from Porsche, although I remember a car journalist called L. J. K. Setright saying that the Tiptronic is actually full of Mitsubishi patented technology. Never been able to verify it, though.
Still, there's the "Silent Shaft" system, the Mitsubishi Minica's five valve-per-cylinder engine, and the '92 Lancer MX's 1.6L mass-produced V6. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
I knew about the dumb Carisma GT page, which may even be a sub page of the Lancer; depends how WP handles the slash in the title. It needs deleted and any useful info moved the the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution page. And the Lancer WRC04 page needs renaming. I'll add them to the Mitsubishi vehicles categories and get around to them eventually. --DeLarge 00:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
no, bosch created the electronic stability control not traction control 2 different but simmilar things http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traction_control http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_Stability_Control --193.95.237.10 10:42, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Well, from their respective websites:
  • "Technologically this decade saw incredible advances. In 1990 MMC introduced the world's first Traction Control System..." (Mitsubishi-Cars.co.uk), but
  • "On the basis of ABS, Bosch brought the first traction control system (TCS) for motor cars to mass production in 1986" (Bosche.de, p.2, where they also make a separate claim for the first electronic stability program). That's also backed up by Wikipedia itself; see List of automotive superlatives.
I think what Mitsubishi is claiming is that 4WD/4WS/ABS/TCL was the first integration of various elements into a complete system for traction control, but the first actual TC was Bosch's.


gema article need more facts

hello delarge

read this http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=1

hehe google has indexed the gema page that you created, and i then added the 4b11t and then guys at evom found it lol

the thing is that gema article Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance needs more info

the article states that gema makes the 2.4 liter for mitsubishi (someone allready corrected that) and is full with inaccuracy's

my response (user gnusmas) http://forums.evolutionm.net/showthread.php?t=225886&page=2

this is my response 1. gema engines only share the engine block, general design (all alloy, variable valve timing) and production related stuff to water down the cost of making them 2. mitsubishi has a newly built state of the art gema engine factory in Shiga, Japan, hyundai has one in korea, chrysler 2 in michigan 3. all mitsubishi's gema engines will be built by japanese workers with japanese engineers in Shiga, Japan 4. only mitsubishi's gema engines have Mivec and other mitsu techology, hyundai has it's own variable valve tehnology, as does chrysler

various press releases from mitsu and chrysler are my sources

there is a press release regarding shiga factory at mitsu's global site, i just can't seem to find it at the moment

i think Global Engine Manufacturing Alliance article and Mitsubishi_GEMA_engines need more clarification (like the part that mercede's valve timing techology is used in all gema engines, when in fact only in chrysler's)

and the part about purchasing gema engines i don't understand

the thing is, as i said mitsu is producing their gema engines in shiga they are not buying them but producing them, maybe mitsu is broke to make it's own engines lol

and there are still debates with the new shared platform that mitsu and chrysler co-developed

some idiots are writing that chrysler developed it and so on and that evo x will be based on dodge caliber lol, morons

they think platforms form the chassis, and the suspension system, idiots that's not what the platforms are about

platforms are about location of various things ( like door handles), and the car's layout (front mounted engine, forward wheel drive....) and safety structure.... so the platform article need clarification also

man this message is long lol (edit it if you want), tell me what you think?

and sorry about my english, im from southern europe

cheers

gnusmas --193.95.239.228 23:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


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Mitsubishi Delica

Hi! This may be a long shot but, inview of your knowledgable input about Mitsubishi, I'm hoping you can answer a question that I have been asked? IE: How many Delicas, both L300 and L400 models have been produced in the various years since it was first produced? NB: I Have owned two L400's:- No1 & No2. Richard Harvey 13:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

No clue, I'm afraid, especially for such a long-lasting model. Best bet would probably be to contact Mitsubishi directly, although I have little idea how responsive their PR department would be. A .pdf detailing recent production is availabe on their global site,[[7] but may not offer exactly what you need. Also, I might suggest contacting their South African division; I found production stats for the Galant on their site and nowhere else,[8] so it might be that one of their staff down there is sufficiently interested in that kind of trivia to be a useful contact. --DeLarge 16:43, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


Mitsubishi Pajero 2.5 Million units sold

mitsu sold 2.5 million pajeros since 1982.[9] add it to best selling nameplates....cheers --193.77.132.133 17:03, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


E39A 6th Generation Mitsubishi Galant VR-4

I would like some input on expanding the 6th Generation E39A Galant VR-4 section. Another notable omission is that of the four wheel steering (4WS) similar to the 3000GT VR-4. Notably highlighting trim/build differences in the USDM version, different bumper, different headlights, lack of hood vents, different intercooler. including the inclusion of numbered badges affixed to the dash, and matching numbered key fobs. Available in only four colors. Another interesting tidbit is cruise control on a manual transmission.

Is there any information that we can offer from GalantVR4.org? There are a ton of original scans and technical info, including 3D cutaway views of the WRC Rally Galant VR-4. The E39a 6th generation just about needs its own sub-page.

Interesting piece of info came up in a thread regarding the origin of the Mitsubishi "Evolution". There has been a long running debate regarding the Galant VR-4 being called unofficially the Evo-Zero which has now become the Pre-Evo. This came from rumors that a version of the Mitsubishi Galant VR-4 was produced with the "Evolution" title. One of our users offered the following information in a post. It contains a quote from published literature.

Mitsubishi did officially produce a limited run of 500 'VR4 evolution' cars for public consumption in 1991-1992. Basically it came with all the RS goodies (16g, 510cc injectors, 4-bolt LSD etc.), but also all the luxuries (climate control, power windows etc.). You could say this was the first GSR-spec evolution. A lot of these cars have ended up in Aus/NZ it seems .....

Another piece of evidence, if you like, quoted from 'You and your Mitsubishi Evo' by Andy Butler (pg 13-14):

"....and then on the Greek acropolis rally the Galant VR-4 evolution appeared on the scene. This car boasted more power to test its more competent chassis, producing over 300BHP from its 4 cylinder, 16-valve motor. Easy to spot as the 'cooking' version, the Galant VR-4 evolution gained a bigger intercooler as well as a louvered bonnet....."

If possible could alternate English units for the statistics on the page be included in parentheses?

BTW, Excellent job on your whole Mitsubishi section. First rate job!!!

S firestone 02:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)