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[edit] Cast

Seamon Glass - First Griner Randall Deal - Second Griner

Please, what is a Griner? - Gillean666 19:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


Griner is the last name of two of the characters in the movie. They are not given first names. Acantha1979 21:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)Acantha1979

Thank you.  :) Gillean666 19:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ed O'Neill

I removed the reference to Ed O'Neill making an uncredited appearance as the Deputy in the hospital scene. It doesn't look like him anyway (or talk like him), but in the new DVD commentary, Boorman notes that the Deputy was played by his driver, a Georgia local. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.136.124.67 (talk) 00:12, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Citation

Looking for the citation for the "more than 30 people have drowned" in the Chattooga River, and everyone has exactly the same sentence (copying from Wikipedia or Wikipedia copied from them). The closest I can find is here [1] at the IMDb. It cites 31 people died the year after the movie came out. Obviously many more have died since then-- inexperienced paddlers and rafter die regularly. Anyone else have better luck?Gaviidae 14:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

A citation can be found here: http://www.thesylvaherald.com/042204/html/author_to_discuss_chattooga__d.html

There's also a reference here: http://www.chattoogariver.org/index.php?req=chattooga&quart=Sp2004

I've rafted the Chattooga before. It's a fairly technical river at the very end (the Five Fall rapids in particular has some Class V stuff), but all can be surmounted with preparation (whether with a tour group as I was) or if you are an experienced kayaker with good skills (probably best in a group). When I went on the tour, I remember something to the effect that they said that at least some of the deaths could be attributed to people chosing a technical river while being ill-prepared -- even to the point of floating down rapids on mattresses and the like.

--Soundwave106 02:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] More references in popular culture

I think this list is too big already. Anyway, there are at least three references to Deliverance in the first two seasons of The King Of Queens. If somebody is interested, I'm trying to find the episodes.

  • While watching TV, Arthur (Jerry Stiller) remarks: "Ah. Nobody squeals like Ned Beatty". (unknown episode)
  • Doug (Kevin James) learns that Arthur may marry his aunt. When he realizes that this would also mean that Arthur becomes his uncle and so on, he says "Oh my god. I hear banjo music.". (unknown episode)
  • Arthur and Spence (Patton Oswalt) are going on a vacation with an RV. In the last scene of the episode we see the RV in the wilderness in wide shot. A voice from the off: "Hey, check out that old man and that funny-lookin' boy by the camper. The boy's got an awful pretty mouth.". Banjo music starts. (episode 25: Whine Country).

Please excuse my English. --84.148.161.67 13:37, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

There is NEVER enough pop culture references to Deliverance! Besides, how do you decide which references stay or go? -Northridge00:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

The Mad TV Sketch was actually from a Far Side comic.

I have no way of verifying, but the last Trivia thing about Pres. Carter simply cannot be true.

Wasn't there a SUV commercial with friends camping out at night only to pack up and leave after hearing Dueling Banjos coming from the woods? --Freddie1988 21 January 2007

Yes, there was. It was a Saturn VUE commercial. I was the one who added that trivia to this wiki, but someone removed it. Lost the link. -Northridge06:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bloodhound Gang/C.N.N. reference

To quote:

The Bloodhound Gang song I Hope You Die includes the verse "I hope your cell mate thinks he's God." Nonetheless, C.N.N. refers to him as "Bowling Ball Bag Bob.” Serving time again for abuse of a corpse, only this time the victim is a Clydesdale horse. He masturbates to photos of livestock. He does the "Silence of the Lambs" dance to Christian Rock, eats feces and quotes from Deliverance, and fights with his imaginary playmate Vince.

I can not find any intelligible meaning in this paragraph. Who is "C.N.N.", and what is that piece about masturbating to photos of livstock and such? Is that the verse of the Bloodhoung Gang song? Is anyone here to enlighten me, please? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Florian Prischl (talk • contribs) 23:04, 5 December 2006 (UTC).

I believe the entire quote above is from the Bloodhound Gang song "I hope you die". CNN is a 24 hour Cable news network at least in the USA (probably elsewhere). I believe the point of the quote above is translatable to "I hope your cell mate is the scary person ever." This would be inline with the title, "I hope you die." Now, aside from the fact that the song makes a brief reference to Deliverance which is entirely unnecessary, I don't get why this is here. I think, if this information were to be included in the article, a more tactful way to include it would be as follows:
The bloodhound gang song "I hope you die" includes a reference in a verse hoping that "your cellmate" among others things "quotes from Deliverance." The cellmate is described as doing many awful and terrible things.

Dachande (talk) 21:35, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Seperation of book and movie

Why arent the book and the movie seperated like any other film based on a movie?

[edit] long, non-notable "in popular culture" section

That list is really crufty. I say slash it. Anyone want to argue for its preservation? Dybryd 22:59, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's been axed at the moment, but I'd say just take the most famous three and say "There are many other references in pop culture" about the rest. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.243.210.61 (talk) 23:00, 28 December 2006 (UTC).
How do we decide the "most famous three" Deliverance references? THough I know a comprehensive list of pop cultur references may be cumbersome...COME ON! This is DELIVERANCE! THe most scary movie known to man! -Northridge09:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I say ditch it or move it to its own page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blue Tie (talk • contribs) 00:32, 10 February 2007 (UTC).

Amusing... I was just reading this section, tried to correct a quote within, and then noticed that the section had been completely removed! Why not just move it to its own page if it doesn't properly fit as a subsection of the Deliverance page?

I think that is a good idea. Do you know how to do it?--Blue Tie 02:14, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

For the time being, I think it should just be moved to it's own page. It would make me feel better since I organized the list into categories. :P Eratticus 18:38, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] moved out of main article into talk page

The following was cut and pasted from the article, whoever added it to the article, this is the place to put such content. Thanks. dr.ef.tymac 16:14, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

    • When Ed shoots the arrow at the hillman who simultaneously fires at Ed, they are facing one another, yet when the man falls down dead, the arrow entered the back of his neck first.

When Ed shoots the arrow at the hillman-they are facing one another-yet when the man falls down dead, the arrow point in his neck is from back to front.(NOTE: Worth reviewing this scene- it does look as though the tail feathers are near the man's throat, meaning the arrow has gone from front to back. Anyone else want to offer an opinion?)). After the gunman collapses, there's a camera shot of the sky overhead. This shot seems to suggest that, in the chaotic instant where Ed and the gunman shoot simultaneously, Ed ends up shooting his arrow nearly straight up into the air. As the gunman then approaches and leans forward to aim at Ed (who's lying below him), the descending arrow strikes the gunman through the back of the neck or the upper portion of the back. This would explain the entry of the arrow from the rear. The shot of the sunlit sky also suggests that a provident God may have been watching over Ed and assisting a bit with the ballistics of such a one-in-a-million shot. If this is what the director intended, the scene is not done very convincingly, as it's hard to see from Ed's motions how he could have managed to shoot the arrow vertically; also, the flight of the rising and falling arrow would had to have taken a long, long time. I fail to see, though, how the gunman could have been struck with a horizontal shot, jog over to Ed's position showing no apparent sign of distress, begin to take aim, and then suddenly and unexplainedly fall dead. A descending arrow piercing his spine could explain a sudden collapse, but a conventionally-shot arrow passing through less vital regions of the neck, upper chest and back, or a shoulder would seem likely to leave the gunman partially disabled with respect to aiming and cause a much slower demise through simple blood loss and shock. 87.53.192.49 11:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually, there's some confusion here. Ed shoots the hillbilly in the neck luckily with his first shot, but in the panic falls over the bow, which holds at least one spare arrow. When this happens, the bow snaps and the one remaining arrow on the clip goes through the skin on his side. You could see there were only two arrows when he was climbing the cliff and nearly dropped the bow. He pulls out the arrow whilst the mountain-man is staggering towards him, but from the angle you can't see the arrow through his neck. The mountain-man raises his gun to fire, but at that moment his body gives up, he can't raise the shotgun and he collapses forwards, where you can clearly see the fletching of the arrow sticking out of his throat where it has entered the front of his neck point first. Ed makes no attempt to have a second shot since the bow is broken. He cowers and puts his arms over his head defensively.--The voices made me do it 23:41, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Knife, and pipe , and cucumber ...

"Ed is tied to a tree with his own belt and cut by one of the hillbillies' knives." I just watched the movie last night and I could have sworn that took the knife from Ed, so it would have been his own knife. I remember they talked about "how sharp" it was.--Azslande 01:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC) "You got a good eye : the knife ( a bowie-knife , a model well known & used by hunters ) is in fact Ed's knife , he even whetted it some time ago on the grindstone in his home-garage ( souvenir from the book "Delivrance" ..."Why are not the movie & the film separated..."cf supra...). With the bowie , the hill-billy shaves some of Ed's breast-fur , making blood trickle , & tells his teeth-less mate : "He aint got no fur in his mouth ..." . By the way , he also snatched away the bowed pipe Ed had mecanically fumbled out of his pocket and put in his mouth ...Let it be known that here in France a blow-job his homely called " a pipe"...Add it some other hints , like the " darndest looking cuncumber" on the table of the familial guest-house , and you'll think there was a sharply allusive spirit by the side of Boorman . Or was it Dickeys himself ? He plays a sheriff at the end of the movie , maybe he followed the film-taking ...Someone in " DVD revew2007" ( cf link at the end of the article ) seems to think that Dickey was a severe pervert...Arapaima 07Dec2007

[edit] Lonny: autistic? and Billy Reden banjo-virtuoso or extra ?

Is it possible that Lonny is supposed to be autistic? I'm not familiar with the film or book, but I've seen the part where he shies away from the touch of the guitar-player after the duelling banjos, then later he doesn't acknowledge the four men. His banjo-skills might be regarded as an idiot-savant skill, maybe? TrulyBlue 16:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Possibly, but nothing you've pointed out or was mentioned in the movie (or novel) is specifically autistic. It would be original research to claim that without actual substantiation aside from speculation. --76.214.199.83 (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I dont understand what User76.214 ...83 means , but I see what you're thinking about, Truly blue: could Lonny ( Billy Reden) be an idiot-savant like autistic "Rainman" ? ...Too mishaped for that , I think . Years ago , I had thought that Lonny was a deeply dumb hydrocephalic albinos pin-head , degenerate product of inbreeding ( cf low implantation of ears , slitted eyes , empty drum brow ..) , but now the notion of foetal alcoolisation has spread , as well as that of rubeolic or toxoplasmosis encephalopathy ...Billy Reden personnality puzzles me : the jubilatory glint edging through his slitted eyes ,and his glee-full smile during the guitar-banjo duel made me think that there was a lot of intelligence under that awesome look ... I have learned on the net that he has worked in the back-kitchen of a lorry-joint in Georgia for thirty-one years , before being discovered again . By Tim Burton , who hired him to play the banjo-man ( again !)in his film "Bigfish" ( 2003). And I complained about the injustice of fate , who let Glenn Gould play his life along , and kept Billy Reden in front of a sink ...So I was sadly stunned when I learned that Billy had not actually played the banjo in the movie , but a player behind him did , with his arms through a contraption shirt , a fake movie gadget ...But how could have Billy , as it is said , have performed on the local stages during sometimes after the movie spread ? What did he do on the stage if he could not play banjo ? Show off a local freak ? Is it for that reason he stopped ( or was urged to stop )performing ? I wonder ...If somebody can enlighten me , thank you very much from France ( I came on the English site of Wiki because the French article on "Deliverance" is despairingly poor...) Arapaima 07 Dec. 2007 I have just viewed Tim Burton's "Big Fish" , and made stop-on-the-image examination of the Banjo Man . Among the jumble of freaks ( acromegalic tottering giant ; siamese transformist sisters ; well-known atrabilious quasi-dwarf actor impersonating a werewolf ; big fish hybrid of cat-fish and bass, etc...) , Billy Reden looked rather decent . A plain elderly man , with some brain and feet-soles problems ( everybody is bare-footed in that ghost-town ), who kept the enigmatical smile of his youth .But unfortunately , and the shooting of the grand square- dance scene shows it obviously , with no gift whatever for music .One more of my illusions deleted !Or may some-one from Georgia who knows Billy Reden restore it? User Arapaima 15 Dec 2007

[edit] Plot hole

  • When Drew's body is found the others check his right temple for a gunshot wound-yet if he had been shot, a bullet would have hit his left temple! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.53.145.37 (talk) 19:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot summary

We do have some pretty long and useless plot summaries, but I don't think the summary on this article was one of them. I think this edit was inappropriate and if there are no objections I'll revert it tomorrow. --Anticipation of a New Lover's Arrival, The 00:44, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps it should also be mentioned that they inspect Drew's body for bullet entry wounds/marks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashley Blackmore (talk • contribs) 14:01, 22 May 2008 (UTC)