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Contents 1 AfD nomination of Hikari Hino 2 WikiProject Films December 2007 Newsletter 3 Ok, but my question... 4 Re: 5 Re:J. A. S. 6 Cultural bias and WP:BIO 7 Anna 8 E-mail 9 Hwangab 10 Micky Yanai 11 WP:P* membership infobox 12 re: Soju/Shochu 13 Kim Ki-young 14 Re: The films 15 You're are right 16 Wikipedia Weekly Episode 40 17 Thank you. 18 Yun Yeojeong 19 Kim young 20 A Devilish Homicide 21 KMDb 22 Gyo-dong 23 Subpage 24 Quick request 25 Iodo (film) 26 WikiProject Films January 2008 Newsletter 27 Wow 28 Wikipedia Weekly Episode 41 29 Re: 30 Thanks! 31 Re:Japanese question 32 RE: Kim Ki-young 33 More Korean sources on his biography and criticism 34 Quotes form Kim Ki-young's interview 35 Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Core 36 DYK 37 Satoru Kobayashi (director) 38 SK films 2008

[edit] AfD nomination of Hikari Hino

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[edit] WikiProject Films December 2007 Newsletter

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[edit] Ok, but my question...

Would you mind terribly if I moved the page to the WP Films subspace, in order to harmonize with the existing dozen or so other film task forces? :) Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:54, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, right, the question-- No, doesn't matter to me. As long as it's OK with Appletrees (the only other member of the task force so far), go ahead with the move. Dekkappai (talk) 21:55, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:

I also notice the "very low" ratings as adding a wg tag in the template. Sometimes, people tend to give the low rate on movies which they don't know or see. I don't think you exaggerate the importance rating. The arirang movie is very important movie in Korean movie history. Your rating is correct per se. And I concur with your thought on the wg tag, but need to adjust something for keeping our "old" system. :) --Appletrees (talk) 00:59, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to butt in, there's no reason why the Korean project should disengage their banner from the group - if anything, we want greater cross-project cross-pollination! :) That being said, I think that the current categorization practice for the WP Korea banner is flawed - see Category:WikiProject Korea film working group and start clicking the "next 200" button several times. It actually stops moving through the system after one or two pages, since everything is given the same sort label. (Additionally it makes it impossible to find things, since there is no sorting principle within the classes. Just my 2 cents.) As far as the importance tags go, that may soon become an issue only for the Korean banner - we're gradually in the process of eliminating the importance parameter from the Film banner, since the topics are inherently subjectively important, unlike in the hard sciences, for instance. Best, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Glad to hear that about the "Importance" ratings-- I've felt uncomfortable about this in more than one project because of the subjective nature of it. Whatever is popular at the time gets a higher rating than really significant films from the past... About the project flaws, my technical skills are pretty low. I'll try looking into it later, but Appletrees seems to be more adept at this sort of thing than I am. Thanks for the input, Girolamo Savonarola. Dekkappai (talk) 20:17, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm guessing it's more of a general banner issue, so it may be worth noting to whomever maintains that template. Regards, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:J. A. S.

Hi! It's OK. I tried to find some sources. No result. (sigh) As I don't know much about them and the industry, I'm not sure if I can find something. It seems very, very difficult, but I try again. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 07:01, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

The award that two actresses received is 日本アダルト放送大賞. The award is selected from the adult movies broadcast via SKY Perfect in the past year. But there's no mention about the awards on their official site and I don't know when it started. I'm not sure if they help, but these are the google results I used to get information. [1], [2], [3] and [4]. Oda Mari (talk) 18:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm glad that I could help you. I just google searched and that's the only thing I could do for this. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the mistake, I will try and be more careful but I did only use a leave a level 1 warning but I will be happy to take it off! Sahilm (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

It appears that you have taken it off already

Sahilm (talk) 18:18, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Cultural bias and WP:BIO

I noticed the discussion regarding you and Japanese AV actresses and deletion on Epbr123's talk page, and I happen to agree that there is somewhat of a systemic bias with regard to non-English-speaking cultures in WP:BIO as well as a few of the other notability guidelines. I'm not quite sure what needs to be done to remove this bias (and by that I mean I'm not sure what exactly needs to be added/subtracted/refactored/fixed in the relevant policies and guidelines), but I'm willing to collaborate with you if you're looking to work on the policies. Just thought I'd let you know that in case you (or anyone else you might know) is looking for someone to bounce some ideas off of. LaMenta3 (talk) 21:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that if the guidelines were viewed and applied with common sense (spirit rather than the letter and all) that specific guidelines and changes probably wouldn't be necessary in this regard, but unfortunately, that'll probably never be the case. There will always be the pedants who insist upon a completely literal interpretation of the guidelines and will insist that they be treated as law. They're the ones for whom this sort of thing is necessary in order to preserve the spirit of the entire project. LaMenta3 (talk) 22:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anna

Hi! I didn't know the word おまめ. According to the ja article, it means a setoff or a foil (for Anna). And this is the official page. Oda Mari (talk) 17:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. I have no idea. Thinking about the story, it looks comical and cynical at the same time. But as I didn't see the drama or read the original manga I'm not sure what is the best way to describe the title. Oda Mari (talk) 17:25, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Did you happen to receive my e-mail? If so, what are your thoughts? -- Joe Beaudoin Jr. ^{Think out loud} 20:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, many thanks Joe-- it made my morning. I've been thinking, and writing a reply as we speak. Dekkappai (talk) 20:18, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Hwangab

It is called hwangab janchi or just hwangab. But the article is incredibly short. so I don't know you would be satisfied with it. --Appletrees (talk) 23:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Micky Yanai

Hey dude. I speedied the Micky Yanai article because anybody can spin themselves on top while having sex with a midget or a JAV idol. Just kidding. Need you to confirm whether I got the right helicopter man. Vinh1313 (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WP:P* membership infobox

I seem to remember you were interested in one of these. Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Pornography/Archive_3#Two_templates --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 17:55, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Anon. Not sure I'm happy with "...interested in...", as opposed to "...is a member of..." though... Ditto "...hardcore member of..." I'll take them under consideration. Dekkappai (talk) 20:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Soju/Shochu

I encountered him once at Japanese Invasions of Korea and per the experience, he seems quite stick to the original references. The origin of soju/shochu is believed to come from Persia. I can find many Korean sources, but am not sure that there has an English one. --Appletrees (talk) 21:28, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for not returning my answer to you this late. I think you and Cypoet did make an excellent job to clarify the origin of the beverages. Currently, my mind is occupied with some vexing thing: how to deal with long time and persistent socks!, so I was lazy to make or update info for our Korean film project. I'm interested in Ha Myeong-jung. He was a famous movie star in 80's and film director. And his older brother, Ha Gil-jong is also regarded as an important film director in Korean film history. Ah.. I think I can input some info to Son of Man (1980 film). I hope everything would be fine soon. --Appletrees (talk) 20:11, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Kim Ki-young is regarded as a pioneer of psychological movie in Korean film history and genius film director. As your suggestion, I can start to write his biography. --Appletrees (talk) 20:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kim Ki-young

Unfortunately, the Korean project only has 4 FA and no FA/GA article on film. You have tried so hard to make as many articles as you could. It is time for you to feel satisfied with a new move. :) I think among his file, Maid is the easiest way to get many sources from both inside and outside of Korea. --Appletrees (talk) 00:01, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Appletrees-- I'll do that then-- start articles on all Kim's films, organize them, and work on his biography. By the way, I just discovered a large chapter on the history of North Korean cinema. The North Korea section of Cinema of Korea is very weak, relying mostly on IMDB, which is not at all accurate in this case. I'll try to use this source to improve that later also. Regards. Dekkappai (talk) 00:10, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: The films

They seem thhe same film due to the same casting, crews, and story. I think KMDb makes a mistake because I've seen some incorrect info there, so emailed an administrator to fix it. --Appletrees (talk) 03:02, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] You're are right

Our project needs a distinctive goal like your hope for any article to be a FA/GA article under the scope of WPKorean film project. Although almost all of articles are at stub status, if some article it up to (near) the status, other possible editors can come to our project. I think we can try it to any article related to Kim Ki-young or Im Kwon-taek. --Appletrees (talk) 11:58, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. I've just seen one movie of Kim Ki-young's works, so I will try to create Hah Myeong-jung article instead. :-) --Appletrees (talk) 18:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Oh, I thought you saw some of his film due to your ardent interest on him. If you live in metropolitan cities of the US, there could be a chance to see his films from any kind of Asian film festival in every 2 or 3 years.(sounds impossible for location and timing?) In South Korea, almost of all his works seem only accessible at the main building of Korean Film Council or movie festivals. KMDB provides some clips in their website. If I wish the site also offers viewers to enable to watch some of Kim's movies. --Appletrees (talk) 20:25, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. too bad... Even thought his works are re-recognized by public and critics, buying or viewing his work as DVD is not easy anywhere. --Appletrees (talk) 20:52, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 40

[edit] Thank you.

I didn't know you're interested in manhwa article and really appreciate your contributions. The article is really necessary to be expanded especially on history of manhwa, but I just begun searching sources. French wikipedia has good references for that, so I would refer it for the starter. Thanks again.--Appletrees (talk) 20:26, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Yun Yeojeong

You're very good at finding such the excellent source. She is a famous supporting TV actress now. The article was written by a well-known movie critic and encompasses the actor's life throughly. I read the article (quite long) almost third or half of which is related to Kim Ki-young and the rest of which Jo Young-nam (famous singer and ex-husband) and Kim Su-hyeon (top TV writer in South Korea). Her divorce was also a big scandal at past. She said about how grotesque the director was with several interesting episodes.. For example, the director "ordered" her to spend time with him for every 1 hour in a month before shooting Hwanyeo without any explanation. In turn, she said those times were very useful for Kim to catch her facial expression and coach her acting as filming. etc. But I' not sure how I can manage to translate the contents. That holds quite a lot of information about her. --Appletrees (talk) 01:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, I read some of the Dong-a Ilbo articles which are very informative and useful for future related articles. I saw your nice work to Kim Ki-young. It can be our first GA/FA Korean film article!--Appletrees (talk) 02:03, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Kim young

Hi. I've added a fuller rationale to Image:Kim Ki-young.jpg. Feel free to use this for deceased people in the future where we can claim fair use. Regards ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ ^Talk? 10:50, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] A Devilish Homicide

By all means go ahead and use that poster - I only used the dvd cover because I was unable to find anything else. How did you find it, though? I checked the profile for this film on mydvdlist, but it only showed the dvd (unless you have to click on one of the links; I don't read Korean). There are also some pictures on KMDB, including a colour poster, but I can't seem to access those either. Perhaps you have to be a member of the site? In any case, I think I'm pretty much done with the article, since I couldn't find anything else to say about it.

BTW, I've not read it yet, but nice work with Kim Ki-young! :) Perhaps you could nominate it for the Did you know? section on the main page. PC78 (talk) 21:20, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

If you do upload the poster, it might be best to have the dvd cover deleted. I don't think the article is substantial enough to justify three fair use images. PC78 (talk) 15:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the article has more rooms to be expanded on historical value and critical analysis because the movie nowadays is regarded as a very important movie in 1960s Korean horror film. I found some good English reviews but some of them are blog sources.[5][6][7] --Appletrees (talk) 17:58, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Appletrees, based on the links he added to the article, it can certainly become a substantial article. In its present state it may not justify three images, but it could in the future. Dekkappai (talk) 18:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] KMDb

The article says Kim was born in Gyo-dong, Seoul. According to his hojeok (호적, record of individual's family relation, birth and marriage, death date, etc), he was born in 1919. But like many actors, film directors tend to deceive his real age, or parents may report the birth date of their new born baby belated for many reasons -_-) His father was an elementary school teacher and he graduated Gyeonggi jeonmun hakgyo (now Gyeonggi High school, during the Japanese occupation, university student were really rare and if someone entered the high school, he was regarded as an intelligent and highly educated person) When he was in middle school, his poem was published in a Japanese newspaper. He also won a first prize with his painting. Due to his various artistic talents, his art teacher said "Kim-gun (I don't know how to translate it "gun") has too many talents, so the only job encompassing all the field is a teacher. He was provoked by the comment, so devoted himself into studying, so he got his nickname as "PhD. Physics" .

But except the first half, the rest of the article says his work style and analysis on his films. Unfortunately, the old newspapers are only accessible at the main storage building of the Korean Film Council which is located in Bucheon one hours and half long from Seoul. I can't access the images either because I use an old mac and Korean websites are generally not friendly to mac users. And you have to have "주민등록증" something like SSN. If your wife still has that number, just register it with her number instead because the site is also not kind to foreigners. I think I have to ask and fix the problems to an administrator of the site. --Appletrees (talk) 21:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. actually, I didn't know where to put the info and the reference doesn't say the year of the foundation. I googled it and...

• Kim Ki-young production founded in 1956[8]
• Cunchu film founded in 1957
• Sinhan Munye film founded in 1979[9]
• Be a member of the National Academy of Arts in 1997

문예 (Munye) literally means "literary art", but the English title can be translated in different ways. --Appletrees (talk) 00:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know well about his foundations of film and production. I think production and film company are little different. He underwent financial difficulty to make a film from the mid 1970s, and the foundatin of Sinhan Munye film was related to making the film, Nun according to my sources. --Appletrees (talk) 00:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

80년대에 다시 영화법이 바뀌면서 김기영은 ‘신한문예영화’라는 영화사를 차렸지만 형편은 좋지 않았다.[10] <-this is really good source for summary on his work.

79년 <수녀>제작과 동시에 「신한문예영화사」를 설립한 후 벙어리 여인의 폐쇄적인 심리를 그린 <느미>(80년)를 발표하고, <반금련>(81년)등을 제작한다.

Hmm.. I think I might email the administrator. I once requested him to fix some problems.

As for Gyo-dong, I dont' think the "dong" is relevant to Seogyo-dong, and Donggyo-dong in Mapo-gu. Because Gyodong elementary school, famous private school is located in Jongno-gu and generally elementary schools are named after their neighborhood. I think its name is changed to something. --Appletrees (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gyo-dong

I fount out the current name of the Gyo-dong. It has been called Gyeongwun-dong after Japanese government forced to combine the jurisdictions of Gyo-dong and Seokjeong-dong in order to "terminate" Korean culture during the Japanese occupation according to the source. -_- [11]

Gyeongwun-dong (경운동 old Gyo-dong) is located in Jongno-gu, Seoul. --Appletrees (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that Jongno-gu. Hmm..the cultural oppession by Japanese is a side story from what we actually need for the article, but accoring to source, the name, Gyo-dong was named after Hyanggyo. It is kind of private government-run provincial schools and took an important role in education and became a good model for scholars and students. But Japanese tried to erase the name because the name invoked Korean people to their nationalisam. So, Japanese seemingly combined the neighboring towns and then changed the name to erase its sprit.

As for the article, I will add content what I can do --Appletrees (talk)

Actually, I have the same doubt over his refugee(?) to Japan. It seems to me that the director looks like a coward or cheater. -_- In Samdae (삼대 Three generation) written by Yeom Sang-seop which is a very important novel in Korena literature during Japanese occupation, rich people could live evade the enlist as some bribe to officers. At that time, women couldn't easily get a highter education, so the art and dance education of his siblings were exceptional. His family might be rich and were higher class like yangban. --Appletrees (talk) 23:28, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

http://weekly.hankooki.com/whan/200205/w2002051614304561510.htm

종로구 경운동은 원래 경행방(慶幸坊)이었다. 지금은 화동 쪽에서 내려오던 작은 실개천을 복개하여 낙원상가 밑을 관통, 탑골공원을 끼고 청개천변 관수동까지 큰 길이 됐지만, 옛날엔 개울물이 좔좔 흐르고 있는 전형적인 북촌마을이었다.

그리고 경운동에서 낙원동 종2가,3가 사이에는 한양골의 향교(鄕校)가 자리하고 있어, ‘향곳골’이라 부르기도 했다. 그래서 오늘날 교통(校洞)이라는 땅이름이 그 흔적을 남기고 있다. 말하자면 ‘향교동(鄕校洞)’이라는 뜻이다.

또,교통 근처에는 돌로 된 우물이 있어 새벽녘엔 물을 깃는 아낙들의 재잘거림과 웃음소리가 그치질 않았다고 한다. 돌로 된 우물이 있었기에 지금도 이곳 토박이들은 ‘돌우물골’ 또는 한자명으로 ‘석정동(石井洞)’이라 부르고 있다.

1914년 4월 1일 행정구역 개편 때 이 북촌의 교동 일부와 석정동을 합하여 경행방과 맞은편 구름재에 있는 운현궁의 이름을 따 ‘경운동’이라 한 것이 오늘의 땅이름이다.

[12]Map 경운동의 동명은 1914년 4월 1일 동명 개정때 경행방(慶幸坊)의 '경'자와 부근에 있는 운현궁(雲峴宮)의 '운'자를 따서 제정되었다.

Sorry for my belated reply. I found better sources for the naming change of the dong, but couldn't find an English source. I hope this would be helpful for the article. As for Kim's influences on Song Il-gon, yeah, your guess is right. Song said he was affected by Kim's movie along with Park Chan-wook, Bong Jun-ho and many famous directors. Song Il-gon said the subject of Flower Island is connected to one of Kim's movie. I have't searched Kim's recomendation to Song's film at Seoul film festival. However, I couldn't find Kim's photo at the festival and think I have to look through old magazines. FYI, Kim Ki-young film collection will be released as a DVD set around June this year. His son is eager for the work. What a good for viewers! --Appletrees (talk) 20:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, your translation is right. The sources I provided to you is quite complicate to understand. The Gyeongun-dong is one of 28 dong under Jongno 1, 2, 3, 4 dongs. :) --Appletrees (talk) 22:39, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Song said, his film is connected to Hunting of Fools and I don't know the connection between Iodo and 깃, because I haven't seen the two movie. Also, director Lim Sang Soo said his A Good Lawyer's Wife is influenced by Woman or Fire in some ways, but the former is a black comedy. Anyway, one problem is solved now. :) --Appletrees (talk) 23:47, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Subpage

Hi. I don't know if you're aware, but you have a user subpage on the main article space. Better move it before some slightly overzealous new pages patroller puts it up for deletion. :) Cheers, Cattus ^talk 23:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quick request

In the future, if you could use {{Film}} instead of {{FilmsWikiProject}}, I'd be very grateful. Although the latter one automatically redirects to the former, it has been deprecated, and we're trying to phase out its usage as task force tagging slowly occurs over the next year or so. Knowing that it's not being added to new articles would put me greatly at ease. Thanks! Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:49, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem, will do. Dekkappai (talk) 16:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iodo (film)

Hi, Dekkappai, How you doing? I'm really getting intrigued in Iodo (film), 1977 movie of Kim Ki-young based on the same titled novel written by Lee Cheong-jun, one of the most representative writers in South Korea.(maybe in top 5) He is also author of Seopyeonje, Festival (1996 film), Beyond the Years, Secret Sunshine and other famous directors made 4 film based on his works. I haven' seen the movie yet but read the original story and other films based on that. For the reasons, the Kim's movie belongs to literary film genre, and I thought it is not much different from other movies of the same story.

However, as I searched images for Lee Hwa-shi, one of Kim's favorite actresses, the still shots are really incredible. [13] The site is operated by a movie critic and quality of information is generally good. I think I might start writing some info on this film and Lee Hwa-si.(She has wonderful eyes!) I just let you know my Kim Ki-young related task. --Appletrees (talk) 15:39, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Films January 2008 Newsletter

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[edit] Wow

You made it! Expanding any article with that amount of contents is really not an easy task. Even translating from other language articles even takes much longer than that. You can obtain the GA/FA goal soon! Yes, we need images for the article and some quote. I will search the comment of Kim toward Song Il-gon. As for Gyo-dong, I paste the original source.

두 번째로는 일본인들이 조선인들의 정신을 말살하기 위해서 고의적으로 동네 이름을 바꾼 경우가 있다. 예로 운현궁이 위치한 경운동을 들 수 있다. 경운동은 원래 교동과 석정동이라는 이름을 경운동이라 바꾼 것이다.

교동은 원래 향교의 정신을 받들자는 뜻에서 지어진 이름이다. 이를 알아차린 일본인들은 향교의 정신이 남아 있으면 우리를 우매한 사람들로 만들기 어려움을 깨닫고 향교의 정신을없애기 위해 경운동이라는 이름을 만들었다. 현재 이 교동의 흔적은 초등교육이 처음 시작한 교동초등학교로 그 명맥이나 찾아볼 수 있다. --Appletrees (talk) 00:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia Weekly Episode 41

[edit] Re:

I think that is POV although the president is not respected much by South Korean for his misconducts. He is not as much dictatorial ruler as Park Jeong-hee or Jeon Du-hwan. --Appletrees (talk) 00:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I don't know what exactly "strongman" means (due to my lack of knowledge on English), but "oppressive" might be the same as dictatorial? --Appletrees (talk) 12:19, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I didn't disagree with the usage of "strongman". I'm just ignorant of the period and the president. --Appletrees (talk) 19:30, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

sorry for my insincere answers to you. My mind has been taken by the vexing puppet show, so I didn't promptly answer to you. The article looks good but the introduction seems a little longer than any other articles in GA status. Good luck for the task! --Appletrees (talk) 19:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

I thank you very much for helping me out! This kind of thing is very new to me, so I was startled. I've seen so many stub articles just like that, but Japanese related article seems to attract people's attention. I actually have little interest in those articles until Japanese sockpuppeters have got in my way. (I just don't want to type and make external links every time I meet them). Anyway you save the article. :) Thanks again! --Appletrees (talk) 23:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, he is right on that, but..... anyway, the book will be a very useful source for the article to close to FA status. Ah...do you live near NYC? In coming March, there will be Kim Ki-young 회고전..(I don't know how to translate it)[14]. --Appletrees (talk) 23:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re:Japanese question

Hi! I've been doing fine. Yes, you are right. The translation is 'while filming/shooting (the movie) "Konpirariseiken"'. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 04:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Kim Ki-young

I've left some comments on the article's talk page; hopefully you find them of use. If you want more comments about the article it might be an idea to request a peer review first, but it can be a bit frustrating if you don't get many (or any!) comments and you're keen to nominate it as a GA candidate. Good work, though! I know how much effort goes into writing an article like that. :) PC78 (talk) 10:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] More Korean sources on his biography and criticism

You found the really good sources which solved my question: why he failed to get admission from the medicine school at his first try contradictory to his nickname. I found out he applied to Yonsei Severance Medical School (now Medical school of Yonsei University). I began translating the article into Korean language for Korean wikipedia and found some good Korean sources. Not only his father was a teacher, but also were his mother. They had to transfer a place in every 2 years due to their job obligation, so Kim Ki-young lived apart from his parent since his middle school. It isn't clear that he lived alone or lived with his siblings, but he boarded at a house along with Park Su-gun who has been regarded as a top rated painter in the whole Korean art history.

His parents were very good at painting, and one of his sisters graduated at painting department of Seoul National University and the other majored in dance at Ewha Woman's University They were all artistic elites at that time. He assumed he could be an artist in future but changed his mind because of his Japanese teacher's cynical comment after he rejected the teacher's suggestion to join a painting club in middle school. He was shocked and then threw his painting materials and then dedicated to studying.

cine21#1

This is a rough translation in partial of another cine21 article which I recommended you to read. It is relevant for criticism or acclaim section.

Kim Ki-young advanced Korean film industry to modernize since 1960s which lacked of awareness of film languages at that time. According to a film critic, Lee Hyo-in, "Kim Ki-young is the film director with whom none can compare". In fact, he has never been categorized to any group, so nobody can have an opportunity to compare with him. Like Kim Ki-young's saying, "I don't do art, but just play with film as my hobby." According to the director of Parade of Fools, Ha Gil-jong said, "Kim Ki-young knows well about film so movie artist is the most suitable title for him" Having overcome the flow of time, Kim's preposterous idea and creativity are dreadful even in nowadays and his pessimistic taste is overwhelmed over his films. In Hyeonhaetan knows or Goryeojang, pessimistic twisted humor is shown as Kim mocks the feebleness of human beings. .......cine21#2

This source is also very good and his protoge recollects his experience with Kim Ki-young. Kim Ki-young spent 3 years as a doctor and that affected his art world deeply. I will add more after translating more. --Appletrees (talk) 11:21, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

During 1950s Kim indulged in Italian neorealism, he recollected later that the social situations at the times were so miserable that he could not help but naturally depicting the realistic circumstance. In regard to his peculiar grotesque taste, Kim worked as a doctor for 3 years before Korean war occurred. He chewed over terrible memory of an operation during the war that he once executed on a pregnant woman by his fellow friend's favor, but due to the overtime of using saline solution, the fetus was segregated from her womb. His depiction on female characters are stereotyped as having negative personality. His successful films focus on sexual oppression and expose hidden evils of human beings. However, Kim is too positive toward women and rather regards them women's power.

--Appletrees (talk) 12:47, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Quotes form Kim Ki-young's interview

Quotes

1. During his lifetime, Kim Ki-young considered himself not as an artist but a scientist. "I'm a scientist majoring in medicine which makes me close to a technician. Once I saw female workers at a tobacco factory packaging cigarettes, they picked exactly ten fills at a time. In some aspect, human being is more accurate than machine. Of course, that is based on power of expertness. Hmm. independent production by myself requires me a kind of skilled labor. There were many occasion for me to make films in a short period time, so I bear in mind of box-office record in many cases. I have never made any single film with consciousness of movie itself. Looking into camera is my taste. Since filming corresponds with my taste, I have been making films. Art movie is what director, Yu Hyun-mok are doing because he wants to make so. I just make my works to follow what I want, so analysis is up to you.[1] 김기영은 70년대에 이른바 외화쿼터를 따기 위한 ‘문예영화’의 단골감 독이었다. 70년대 중반부터 김기영은 원작 소설이 있는 작품을 영화로 만 들었지만 이청준 원작의 <이어도>(1977), 이광수 원작의 <흙>(1978) 등의 작품은 소설과는 아무 상관이 없었다. When a novel is made to a movie, using over one third of the original is failure. That can't be a movie. I stick to this principle. [1] “소설을 영화로 만들 때 원작의 3 분의 1 이상을 사용하면 실패거든. 그건 영화가 아니야. 난 이 원칙은 반 드시 지켰지.” <이어도>는 마르셀 프루스트의 <잃어버린 시간을 찾아서> 를 떠올리게 할 만큼 복잡한 시간구조로 이어도를 찾는 사람들의 이야기 를 그리고 있다. 시종 끈끈하게 감겨드는 이상한 마력의 화면은 김기영이 아니면 담아낼 수 없는 것인데 압도하는 바다의 이미지가 특히 인상적이 다. “500mm 망원렌즈를 갖고 최대한 줌인해서 바다를 찍으면 어떻게 보 이는지 알아? 마치 바다가 일어나는 것처럼 보인단 말이야. 수평의 화면 이 수직이 되는 거지. 이게 <이어도>에서 바다의 환상을 강조하는 데 매 우 중요한 거야. 명암대비를 약하게 만들면서 전체적으로 화면도 부드러 워지지. 그게 영화를 더욱 환상적으로 보이게 만들어.”[1] 2. If human body were cut, black blood flows from it" 한국영화사에서 기인을 이야기한다면 단연 김기영 감독이 떠오른다. 개성적인 성격을 보나 그의 영화세계를 보아도 그렇다. 일찍이 한국영화사학자 이영일은 "인간의 본능을 해부하면 검은 피가 나온다"고 설파한 김 감독의 말씀을 되새겨 그의 영화미학을 마성의 미학이라고 명명했다. 그렇다. 김기영 감독은 인간의 욕망을 에고이즘에서 비롯된 검은 피의 분출로 생각했다. 그래서 내가 살기 위해서 남에게 가하는 생존의 싸움에 관심을 가지고 인간사회의 적나나한 모습을 심리주의적 기법으로 독특한 표현파적 영상을 연출한 그의 작품 세계는 한국영화계의 독특한 계보를 이루었다. [2] 3. <하녀>는 당시 신문사회면 머릿기사를 장식한 사회문제를 영화로 만든 작품이었지만 “인간의 몸을 자르면 검은 피가 나온다”는 역설을 신봉하던 김기영의 취향이 표현주의적인 조명과 세트장치와 대사 처리 속에 살아 있었던 작품이다. 하길종은 선배인 김기영을 열렬히 찬양했다. “김기영의 영화에는 인습적인 줄거리 틀이 없고 인간의 의식을 적나라하게 보여주는 상황만이 있다. 그는 다분히 실험적이고 편집광적인 태도로 인간의 의식구조에 집착한다. 김기영은 항상 한국사회의 한 측면을 과장된 수법으로 그렸지만 이야기가 황당무계하냐 아니냐는 건 따질 필요가 없다. 이야기가 황당하다면 당대의 한국사회를 황당무계하게 보고 있는 것이기 때문이다."[3] ^ a b c Kim Youngjin (김영진) (1998-02-17 quote=생전의 김기영은 자신을 예술가가 아닌 과학자로 여겼다. “나는 의학을 전공한 과학자란 말이지. 그게 나를 테크니션에 가깝게 만들었어. 언젠가 담배포장을 하는 여직공들의 모습을 본 적이 있는데… 그네들은 꼭 10개씩 집는다. 어떤 면에서 인간은 기계보다 더 정확하지. 물론, 바 탕이 되는 것은 숙련의 힘이다. 음, 자기제작방식이라는 게 내게 일종의 숙련을 요구했지. 단기간에 빨리 만들어야 하는 경우도 많았고. 그러다 보니 흥행이라는 것도 많이 염두에 뒀다. 나는 영화를 의식해서 만든 영화는 한편도 없다. 카메라를 들여다보는 것은 내 취향이다. 취향에 맞으 니까 지금까지 만들어온 거다. 예술영화는 유현목 감독이 하는 것이다. 유감독은 예술영화를 만들고 싶어하니까. 나는 그저 내 마음 가는 대로 영화를 만들었으니 분석은 여러분들이 해주기 바란다.”). 행복했던 노장, 준비없는 엔딩 (Korean). The Hankyoreh, Cine21. ^ Su-Nam Kim, Professor, Chungju University (김수남 교수) (Spring 1999). Happy Meeting with Director Kim Ki-Young. KMDb. ^ 김기영 publisher=Cine21/ 영화감독사전 (1999).

Of course, your revised version is way better but I want to include this passage, "human being is more accurate than machine" right before "As an independent producer,.." I think that sentence explains his eerie sense of humor and work style. (It remind me of Ghost in the Shell) And you did really good job on the article! Of course, there are plenty of articles to be created for the project. :-) --Appletrees (talk) 23:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Almost, because the side quote box seems to me not a best alignment. I think it might be better in the ordinary horizon box, or take out some sentences from his saying. --Appletrees (talk) 23:34, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Maybe. I don't use PC, so the viewing maybe be different, but the font size is little small as well. I leave it to others' judgment at the talk page or peer review page. Anyway, well done! --Appletrees (talk) 23:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, you too have a great weekend! --Appletrees (talk) 00:01, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Core

I was wondering if you had any opinions on this (specifically regarding the selection of Korean films). Currently, the ten Korean films on the list are selected solely on the basis of user votes on IMDb. I've already raised several concerns on the talk page, but some other opinions (of any kind) would be helpfull. Regards. PC78 (talk) 04:06, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

On 14 February 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Michiko Maeda, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--P.K.Niyogi (talk) 02:29, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Satoru Kobayashi (director)

On 16 February 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Satoru Kobayashi (director), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 05:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Please see this revision of DYK. The archive has been updated as well. --BorgQueen (talk) 19:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

By the way, I am a big fan of Japanese film too... I don't know much about pink films though. If you mention "pink film" in front of Japanese people it will produce a lot of instant giggling. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 19:10, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] SK films 2008

Hi. Perhaps you have knowledge of some films to be released South Korean films of 2008 ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ ^$1,000,000? 18:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)