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[edit] Message from Blofeld

Devon Aoki. Would you? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ "Talk"? 21:50, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Above what I meant about Devon was would you shag her!!! I think she is attractive. I'll speak to Giro but i think it would be more suitable to move it to Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/Korean task force rather than Wikipedia:WikiProject Korea/Film or a Wikipedia:WikiProject Films/North East Asian task force which would include Japan, China and Hong Kong -the latter which I am working on. In the next few days I'll split the Japanese films by year -I haven't got around to it yet but something like British films of 1963, Italian films of 1950 etc. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)


If there are enough films I'll give you a hand setting up the Korean films by year also like Template:HongKongfilmlist. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 20:09, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes I agree it might be too broad I'm just thinking of a way to cover all of east asian film and get some sort of standard regulation to them including Hong Kong, Taiwan, China and Japan and South Korea. Of course the leader of North Korea is too busy playing snooker to invest in film ! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 12:07, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes North Korea is quite a country isn't it. IN the UK it is regarded with severe suspicion or in British english as "dodgy". I've been working entirely on Korean film today. Please see South Korean films of 2005. Please can yopu help fill in the titles by year and make each year such as South Korean films of 1961 like so. We need to get the titles into the tables fro imdb by year asap. I;ve set everything up so the link is there and the table is hidden in the edit pages ready. Also I have been tacking the [1] template at the foot of all articles to connect everything together. For instance if you click edit SK films of 1974 the tables are built ready for just copying the titles and filling ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes that sounds good. I think phase 1 is complete -that is setting up the years. Next stage will be to add the titles and info from a good source. Once the tables are filled in - I'll help you go through starting the films. These lists are an excellent foundation for structuring each cinema I think -particularly as each article will now connect to the years. Good luck!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

I'll also get around to splitting some 100 years of Japanese film by year in the cmoing days ready for building the film content. I think I've already set up the template. Now I'll be doing Spanish film this evening. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:46, 14 December 2007 (UTC) ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes when you begin adding can you add the korean transliteration underneath for encyclopedic purposes e.g like South Korean films of 1975. Don;t worry about the Korean character lettering though -I never understand how a square can represent every word!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 17:52, 14 December 2007 (UTC) Great!! I thought there were a lot more films for each year though. If not it may be best to merge into a decade list instead. We'll see ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 12:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Change it to Notes/release. With American film I've changed in the Notes/Studio. But it is important to keep notes as this may include awards , anything notable about film content etc as well as rleease ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 19:02, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thats excellent progess congrats. Tomorrow I'm going to start splitting the Japanese films by year I think ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 19:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

OK I've done the split from 1950 onwards see Japanese films of 2002 etc. I know you said you will be concentrating on Korean film but if you could also take these lists under your wing and mother them this would be great. There,'s no rush of course as you are probably busy but it would be great if these could develop gradually too. Are you still interested in filling them ? ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 23:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Cool. Yes I'll be honest with you that although I love many assets of Japanese culture (including pink -oh yeah baby), I can't stand!!!! anime or manga. Japanese cartoons really bug me. I don't know what it is -Pokemon -aaaarhh! Evidently an anime fan added those films but I;d rather see the decent films in their of course the Kurosawa films are there but films like Audition (film) -you know the decent films. I'd noticed about the redorects to the TV series - obviously film spinoffs from the series but crap if you ask me. If anything I think many of those films should be taken out and replaced with proper films -p.s brilliant job on those new articles keep em coming!!! ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 11:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Girolamo emerges from deep-freeze

Hey, noticed the new Korean cinema group, and it's good to see the interest exists! Congrats on getting it off the ground. Blofeld knows me well enough, though, that he's right - I'd like to move it under WP Films, if that's alright with you. The original location will of course redirect, and we would operate the group as a joint task force between WP Films and WP Korea, so it would be designed around the needs of both projects concurrently. Let me know if you have any concerns or comments! Thanks, Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 21:07, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Tetsuji Takechi

Hi! I saw the cause of death at the Ja. Wiki and at the first one in the article's Sources section. Regards. Oda Mari (talk) 19:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm glad that I could help you. Happy editing! Oda Mari (talk) 19:58, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject Films November 2007 Newsletter

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[edit] Branded to Kill on front page

Thanks. Yeah, it's kind of exciting. I don't think the article's ever been vandalized before. It's nice to see it and the film get some attention. Doctor Sunshine talk 05:23, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Question

Why are you adding "sources" to articles that never used those sources at all? IrishGuy talk 00:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi, Irishguy - which articles are you referring to? Videmus Omnia Talk 16:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, Irishguy. Short answer: because articles need sourcing. Often, in digging through my archives and sources available to me, I come across a source on a relatively obscure subject. Often I then see that our article on that subject is poorly-sourced, if not totally unsourced. Often totally unsourced subjects come up for deletion. If it's an article I work on, I put the source there to remind me where to go for information to add to the article. If it's an article on which I don't work, at least the source listing serves as a pointer to those who do work on the source. Think of it as a bibliography. No problem with that, I hope? Dekkappai (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Hi, V.O. Apparently the article he's referring to is June Wilkinson. I added a very lenghty, in-depth article and interview on her. Irish guy, in his wisdom, decided the article doesn't need sourcing. I tried to help source the article, and it was rejected. So be it. Japan & Korea call. Dekkappai (talk) 18:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
William Lustig also apparently doesn't need sourcing. ;) Dekkappai (talk) 18:13, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I've added them back as they definitely seemed appropriate. I still don't understand the reason for removal. Hopefully Irishguy is watching this page and will care to comment. Videmus Omnia Talk 18:19, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Right. I was a little taken aback there... If anyone's interested, I'd even be willing to scan the articles/interviews and provide them for someone to work on the article... Thanks. Dekkappai (talk) 18:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Articles need sources...on the content of the article. Simply adding a link to an article you have not edited and claiming it is a source isn't correct. It wasn't a source as it wasn't used to create the article. IrishGuy talk 20:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

So I'm calling perfectly good sources which I add to unsourced or poorly-sourced articles "Bibliography" now. That OK? Dekkappai (talk) 20:57, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Dek dropped me a note. I guess I'm his policy expert of choice. :-) I said, basically, that per WP:MOS#Section management, it seems we can call it Further reading or Bibliography and it should be fine until someone has the time to turn it into a reference. Or in more detail: User talk:AnonEMouse#Sourcing question. --AnonEMouse (squeak) 21:00, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Whether we call them "Sources", "Bibliography" or "Fried eggs", I must say, this "Admins Against References" is a new twist at Wikipedia for me... and a baffling one... Dekkappai (talk) 21:08, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm not against "references". I assume you have read the sources you have added, yes? Why not just add some content from those sources and use that reference for the content? IrishGuy talk 21:27, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I come across the references while working on other articles-- my interest is generally in Japan and Korea-related subjects. I happen to have access to good off-line, print sourcing, especially with regards to cult film, which may not be available to editors of these non-Korea/Japan articles. Generous guy that I am, I sometimes add them to these articles both as evidence of coverage, and as a pointer to a potential editor. I do most of my editing off-line, and add these sources quickly when I am online. Should any editor be interested, all s/he has to do is drop me a note, and I'd be more than happy to scan any of these articles to help out. Judging from the citations, the June Wilkinson article is complete OR and unsourced. I added an 8-page interview/article, which you then removed. So you're saying, unless I edit the article, I should keep my references to myself? Sorry, but I'd like a second opinion... Dekkappai (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
I'm saying that unless those references actually reference something in the article...they aren't references. IrishGuy talk 21:45, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you say they qualify as "Bibliography?" Dekkappai (talk) 21:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
<cough>*dick*<cough> Videmus Omnia Talk 21:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The new wg is working.

You can insert not only "film", but also "cinema" and "movie" for the category. I'm done now. --Appletrees (talk) 20:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Would you take a look?

An image used in the article on the first Bangladeshi pornstar Jazmin, Image:WorshipThisBitch3.jpg, the cover of the DVD that made her the selling point, a first for a Bangladeshi, is up for deletion here. You may be interested to take a look. Aditya(talk • contribs) 21:18, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] References for pre-Internet book reviews

Dekkappai-san, I'd like to write/expand a couple of articles on 1980s science fiction - specifically Brian Daley's Coramonde duology and John DeChancie's Skyway series. Do you have any ideas as to where I could find any reviews and/or sales figures? Videmus Omnia Talk 12:30, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Domo for the info! I've copied it to my own userspace (User:Videmus Omnia/Notes). Videmus Omnia Talk 23:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
I'll also eventually be working on an article for my all-time favorite book, Once An Eagle, by Anton Myrer, but it will probably be a couple of months. Videmus Omnia Talk 23:19, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks again for the refs! It's definitely enough to get me started. Videmus Omnia Talk 02:47, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The color is good

However, the filmography section is very long due to his prolific works and partially the vertical-inclined table. I think the article just lists notable or historically important movies and the rest of them are transferred to a new article like List of films directed y Im Kwon-taek like List of compositions by George Frideric Handel. (example is far off the film, but that is what I can recall now) --`Appletrees (talk) 01:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I added the link to List_of_Korean_film_directors and articles of Korean film directors. The site might be operated by South Korean government. I didn't know the English version is working well because I'm using Mac. --Appletrees (talk) 18:45, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just out of curiosity

I thought you're a Japanese American. Am I wrong? --Appletrees (talk) 20:51, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

No, I'm white American, raised very close with a Japanese family, and so I grew up with some acquaintance with the language & culture. I later lived and worked in Korea for a few years and got married there. You're in Korea, I assume? Dekkappai (talk) 20:55, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I see. You seem to be very fluent in Japanese language, therefore, I believed so. If my question was somewhat unpleasant, I apology to you. Your guess is right. --Appletrees (talk) 21:06, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem! Thanks for the compliment, but I wish my Japanese (and Korean) were half as good as your English! I've got a question also, maybe you could help me with, Appletrees. You probably see that I've worked a lot on Japanese erotic cinema, and now I've added a couple from the Korean erotic cinema genre-- 뽕 and 애마부인. I'm not sure whether to put them under the "Pornography" project though, since they are so mild by today's standards. My wife tells me that in Korea, at that time, they were definitely considered pornographic. Also, the Korean references I read about these films call them Pornography. So, do you think it's appropriate to include them under the Porn Project? Dekkappai (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I think the former is not pornography but the latter seems relevant to the project. The film, Ppong is based on the same titled novel, which is highly regarded literature. Not only that the movie received good reviews in artistic aspect. --Appletrees (talk) 21:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Right-- I've seen Ppong, and it's a quality movie, and won many awards. I think there's no problem putting it under category "Erotic film" though, since there's definitely a lot of eroticism to it, in fact it's the main element of the movie... I haven't seen Aema Buin yet, but it seems to be generally considered softcore pornography. Even if it's not very high-quality, it seems to be a pretty important film since it started the erotic genre of the '80s, which helped the industry stay alive during rough times, and eventually led to today's boom in very high-quality films... I'll put it under the Project Pornography then. Thanks! Dekkappai (talk) 21:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dokdo

Check my reply.[1] Hong Qi Gong (Talk - Contribs) 17:10, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Right-- just replied. Dekkappai (talk) 17:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Restore it. The licensing is wrong -clearly public domain, Perhaps ther eis a PD korea template. ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 18:35, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I can;t find a korean PD template.I'll ask our good friend Videmus to look into Korean copywright law. I'm certain anything pre 1950 is now PD ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 18:39, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] South Korea PD

Merry Christmas and all the best for 2008 from the Bald One ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 13:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Merry Christmas and all the best for 2008 from the Bald One ♦ Sir Blofeld ♦ Talk? 13:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
I recall why I abandoned making the new template. :( The image copyright of South Korea is much more strict and unclear than the neighboring countries. So I previously gave you a wrong info according to Korean wiki source. [2]. The copyright status solely is determined by life time and death date of the creators. The arirang poster is under the South Korean PD, because the only copyright holder of the poster was the director, Na Un-gyu who was dead about 70 years ago. I think I have to ask Korean editors in Korean wikipedia, there has law school students, and disputes on using fair image. I let you know how this thing would go after I ask them about this matter. --Appletrees (talk) 19:43, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... And I know that many prominent people in Korea in the first half of the 20th century have a "?" for year of death, because of the political situation of the times... This probably makes determining PD even more difficult. Thanks for the research, and I hope we can find a more definitive Korean PD policy soon. Dekkappai (talk) 19:52, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Do you know how to make a link to wikisource? I made a rough template for South Korea pd, but something weird makes it to false link. I intend it to be link Korean Wikisource, and if you rollover the link article36, 37, it shows http://ko.wikisource.org.....but it leads English wikisource. Please see this. User:Appletrees/sandbox --Appletrees (talk) 20:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
I've never used Wikisource, so I don't know if there's a better way to link to it. I made a change to your sandbox, making it as a straight Web-link. Is that OK? Otherwise, looks good! Dekkappai (talk) 20:42, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I actually wanted to avoid the language looking scattered like s#%^%4$$ something like that, but before something good solution comes, the link itself will clear things out for people who can read Korean :P. I think we can use the template right away, even though there has some complexities on the copyright, I already checked some possible legal problems about 2 months ago. In fact, I made a question on making the template, but nobody seemed much care about the matter (at that time, editors faced a mid term though).--Appletrees (talk) 20:50, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
OK, good. And we can put this PD notice on the poster, since posters to Na Un-gyu's films would clearly fall under this PD policy, and then use that image for the Korean film template. Dekkappai (talk) 20:57, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
By the way-- let me know when you get that done, then we can put some images on the article for Na Un-gyu. I see some nice portraits HERE. Dekkappai (talk) 21:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I also left a query with LERK, an administrator on Commons who is fluent in English/Japanese/Korean. Videmus Omnia Talk 21:08, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm done making the template here and on commons commons:Template:PD-South Korea. {{Template:PD-South Korea}}. I think for other language editors, uploading PD poster images to commons would be much helpful :) If any problem raises upon the template, let's fix it (quite a simple suggestion). I'm also gonna notify Korean editors in Korean wiki and WPKorean project here of this new template. --Appletrees (talk) 21:22, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
Great! I'll start work on using the template later today! Dekkappai (talk) 21:25, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Nice work apple trees! Perhaps you could brew us some cider into the equation too perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk • contribs) 21:37, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Replaceable fair use Image:Fuko.jpg

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Crap. Someone finally tracked it down. :( Dekkappai (talk) 01:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
Sorry. :) I saw also saw other images you uploaded, but since these models were retired I quess they are irreplaceable images. Since this model is still active I tagged it. Garion96 (talk) 01:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
No problem, Garion-- I uploaded it back when I thought Fair Use was fair. Didn't have the heart to take it down. I won't stand in the way of its removal though, though I'll see it go with regret... Dekkappai (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unless..

Adding or combining the two templates, there seems no satisfaction. In some article, there has three or four different info boxes.-_-;; I saw your nice works. I'll translate the articles related to Song Il-gon into Korean for Korean wikipedia. --Appletrees (talk) 20:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I will try to translate directors' biographies from Korean sources to English after making an article of director Song at Korean wikipedia first. :) --Appletrees (talk) 21:25, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
Hmm, you seem to be interested in another Kim Ki-duk (director), so I just translated about one quarter to English. Ah.. I've producing very short stub articles here so quantity over the article at first is a bit overwhelming for me. I'll finish up the translation on the rest of the source you gave soon. --Appletrees (talk) 00:12, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 한국영화걸작선

The word refers to "Korean film masterpiece collection". I saw your works on the director's article which is great! I usually translate cuisine article (relatively easy to translate), so my writing is limited. :) I should've added info about "Barefooted Young"(It is the most successful and representative film among Kim's film. I will work on translating more contents from the cine21 article soon. --Appletrees (talk) 19:43, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East?

The article in its deleted state was a 1 sentence sub-stub stating only that the movie is/was a 1989 korean film directed by Bae Yong-kyun. It made no assertion of notability and was extremely short (less than 100 bytes) which is why I deleted it. I've restored the article at User:Dekkappai/Why Has Bodhi-Dharma Left for the East? --Michael Greiner 23:05, 27 December 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Flower Island

Hi Dekkappai,

In response to your question: I'm glad you approve of the distinguishing link. I don't know of any other articles that could be called "Flower Island", however. What other uses were you thinking of?

Neelix (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello Dekkappai,

List of islands of Central America, List of islands of Mexico & List of islands of South America. I found no "Flower Island" or a Spanish language equivalent in any of the afore mentioned lists. However I found the following & added

Not to be confused with Flower Island (San Juan Islands).

in the San Juan Islands Peter Horn 21:36, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

San Juan Islands used to link to Flower Island in "what links here" of that article (see older revision) until I got rid of that silly link (see the revision history of San Juan Islands). There are a lot of these silly links hidden in Wiki. Peter Horn 04:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] DYK article

Updated DYK query On 1 January 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Song Il-gon, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Keep up the good work. Gimmetrow 13:03, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi, Dekkappai, thank you for your new year's greeting. You too have a wonderful new year. As for the DYK article, wow, congratulation! It is a good sign for the Korean film project on the first day of the new year. :) And for the AFD, I left my comment there. Thank you for letting me know. --Appletrees (talk) 01:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Notability question

I saw you were active on WP:Korea and have a notability question for you. I started the AfD on this article Bill Majors the creator has since revised it, but the only notable thing I'm taking away from it is the Honoary Citizenship thing here [3]. How notable is that in Korea? Is that like a mayor's proclomation in NYC (not notable) or the congressional gold medal (notable)? Thanks. MBisanz Talk 14:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)