User talk:Dekimasu

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I'm back! Thank you to everyone who patiently awaited my return (and covered for me at my usual haunts) while I was studying for the February 4 kanji kentei. I should be back to my normal level of editing presently.

こんにちは。I try to accept criticism of my edits and responsibility for my comments, and I believe that all editing disputes can be resolved amicably. Please feel free to express your opinion or ask for my help. I will get back to you as soon as possible. I have an archive of older topics from this page. It can be accessed here.

Contents 1 Undoing undiscussed moves / Bushi 2 Vampire films 3 Explain yourself please 4 Marcela Agoncillo's POV issues 5 Wikipedia:Templates with red links 6 WT:RFA 7 WP:RTV 8 re:Isuzu Bighorn 9 Nur Ali Elahi 10 Requested Move: Astro Empires 11 Doug Parker: primary topic vs. dab page 12 Fall 13 help needed to verify sources 14 The close of Watson 15 Merger of interest 16 Talk:Padan Plain 17 A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR 18 Emperor's name 19 Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3 20 RFA neutral 21 Iaşi-Chişinău Offensive 22 My RfA 23 101 Ranch 24 Spiritualism 25 Downloading CorHomo 26 Deletion Review for Astro Empires 27 ja.wiki userpage 28 English Defense move 29 Copy and paste from WT:RM to Talk:Lake of Gruyère 30 NYC neighborhoods RMs 31 Reva Lucian 32 Lakes 33 Question 34 My request for bureaucratship 35 My RfB 36 My RfA 37 Request for copy of of deleted article 38 My RfA 39 Bangalore/Bengaluru, again 40 Paul Hastings 41 Looking for input/guidance 42 Move of sex 43 Gibraltar 44 Bleach (manga) 45 Japanese Music Charts 46 Alma Ata Declaration 47 Request 48 Support

[edit] Undoing undiscussed moves / Bushi

I wasn't referring to you at Talk:Jallianwala Bagh massacre and I appreciate your thought put into RMs. Please comment if you care at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves where I posted your comments.

Also, based on your interest in Japan, do you have a comment on this?

— AjaxSmack 07:43, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Bushi is a fairly long and complex article on the Japanese Wikipedia, which goes to great lengths to distinguish between different kinds of soldier; bushi seems to be the most all-encompassing term, and the 武士 category on the JA Wiki includes most of the main articles on these different things (e.g. Ji-samurai, Samurai, Kokujin). I think it's clear that the page shouldn't be merged into Bushido, but it's understandable to want to merge it into Samurai, given that English fails to distinguish between the terms. Ideally, the article could be fleshed out; we could file a translation request at Wikipedia:Translation/*/Lang/ja or we could ask for input at WT:WPJ. The key sentence for our purposes seems to be this one: よく言われるように貴族に仕える存在として認識された武士を侍と呼んだと言うよりもむしろ、上層武士を除く大多数の武士が侍身分の一角を形成したと言った方が正確であろう。It basically says that although "samurai" is often used to mean "bushi who were in the service of noblemen", in actuality, almost all bushi (except for the most affluent) served in that role at some point. There are various incongruities and overlap that make me confused here (ashigaru aren't samurai, but are they bushi?), so I'd rather ask others as well. Dekimasuよ! 14:03, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vampire films

Why did you change the article title? There wasn't a vote, merely an inconclusive discussion. Colin4C (talk) 12:02, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

A move tag was placed on the talk page, and a listing was made at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Uninvolved editors review the discussions after a period of time and decide whether there is consensus for the move in question (you can read the headers of WP:RM for more information). We don't vote on move requests, although surveys are often attached to them. I read the discussion in question and believed that there was a consensus to move the page. As the article contained extensive information on television, video games, and other media, the previous title didn't fit the scope of the article, and the discussion on the talk page seemed to have reached the conclusion that a move was in order. Dekimasuよ! 12:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

The present article title is different from what was originally suggested. The editor whose suggestion was taken up is a different one from the editor who requested the move. The new title seems to be the result of one casual remark made by one editor in response to another. Also none of them has altered the headword or content to reflect the new title. Neither of them seems to be very involved in the article at all... Colin4C (talk) 15:43, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

The present title seemed to enjoy support from all of the editors who commented on it, and neither the previous title nor the proposed title covered the current scope of the article. You can edit the lede as you like, or propose a new discussion, but it seems like this title is broad enough to fit the situation. Dekimasuよ! 03:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Explain yourself please

Please, see my post on the Balti talk page and explain yourself. Thank you. Moldopodo (talk) 20:59, 22 November 2007 (UTC)Moldopodo

I will gladly answer your questions. Dekimasuよ! 01:25, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marcela Agoncillo's POV issues

User:Neelix pointed out that it was the Japanese thing that prompted you to tagged the page with {{NPOV}}. I fixed it already and please share your thoughts on the talk page to have a better collaboration. P.S. It's my first try to have a good article nominee. Thank you. --βritandβeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)} 03:07, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I should have been more communicative there, but I was using CorHomo at the time and wasn't able to leave sufficient explanation. Actually, I wasn't concerned particularly with the comment on Japanese soldiers, but it made me look at other claims in the article. I will visit the talk page now. Dekimasuよ! 03:14, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for interfering with your nomination. It is good that you cite things such as "As a loyal companion on her behalf, Marcela was also a loving mother that she always taught her family and kins with good values." However, it is not enough to simply cite those claims, because they do represent value judgments. It would be better to say, "According to [Source XYZ]..." in those cases. There are other cases of such claims that aren't cited, e.g., "she raised her daughters to be fine ladies" and "she consistently provided her daughters with words of wisdom". It is clear that you like Ms. Agoncillo, but it is enough to let the facts speak for themselves. If you'd like to remove the NPOV tag, that's okay, but I think you will get similar feedback from the GA reviewers. You have done a good job with your research here; good luck in improving the article further. Dekimasuよ! 03:22, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Good that you pointed out that all. I'll be fixing it now. --βritandβeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)} 03:30, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

It's fine. I am even so thankful that someone noticed my works which could be rectified after. I am learning something from you. --βritandβeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)} 03:34, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Dekimasu, would you like to review Marcela Agoncillo for POV issues (if there's any)? Thank you. --βritandβeyonce ^{(talk•contribs)} 06:49, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Templates with red links

Hi, I'm looking for a techie who can reboot this project (i.e. generate a new set of lists from the latest database dump showing templates which contain redlinks). Can you do this? Cheers! bd2412 T 03:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't have the computing power (or, probably, brain power) to process database dumps myself. If you pulled my name up due to work I've done at WP:DPL, I'll just say that the dump processing is generally done by User:R'n'B. I'm sure it's a horrible pain for him to do this kind of stuff, but he might be someone who could point you in the right direction. Dekimasuよ! 09:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I do appreciate the pointer. Cheers again! bd2412 T 17:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WT:RFA

Hiya. Annoymous Dissidents comment at talk just got me worried - I'm not disagreeing with you at all, I think the point you've raised is really valuable, and I'm just trying to thrash it through! Cheers. Pedro :  Chat  09:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry too much. When I replied to you, I just wanted to make sure that we weren't talking past each other. I certainly recognize the value of asking optional questions in many situations, and your examples are very appropriate. Dekimasuよ! 09:51, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RTV

No, somebody just hijacked the shortcut. Hiding T 15:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] re:Isuzu Bighorn

Thanks a lot, now completed the move task, feel free to close the move discussion. Willirennen (talk) 01:18, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

We should also fix the text to coincide with the new title... I changed a couple of instances in the lede, but I didn't look very closely at the rest of the article. I'll take off the move tag and make a small note on the talk page about the move. Dekimasuよ! 01:20, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I made a few more changes except where it describes it as an export model, feel free to make any further changes. Willirennen (talk) 01:33, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Nur Ali Elahi

Hello, thank you for fixing the On the Origin of Species page. I am the one who originally started the request for the name correction. Now I want ask you if it is the right time to take the dispute tag off Nur Ali Elahi. It has been on it for a very long time and most of the users agree the name should remain "Nur Ali Elahi".--Persianhistory2008 (talk) 10:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

I see that it's been gone for a while. Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. Dekimasuよ! 01:08, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Requested Move: Astro Empires

Thanks for that but everytime I try to move it it tells me it is a protected page and I can't. How do I get it unprotected. Butch-cassidy (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see. The page protected against recreation because it's been deleted twice since it was moved to the project space. The article in the project space now doesn't appear to be significantly different from the version that was speedy-deleted on July 30, so I would suggest first contacting the admin who deleted the page that time (User:Carlossuarez46) or the admin who redirected the page to the project space in the first place (User:Raul654) to ask for their opinions. The page was most recently deleted by User:Deb, but that was definitely a valid deletion. At that time, the whole article consisted of about two sentences praising the game. As long as the deleting admins think that the current version would be okay, it will be able to be moved. Otherwise, you should go to Wikipedia:Deletion review, considering how similar this version is to the one from July. Dekimasuよ! 01:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Doug Parker: primary topic vs. dab page

Hi Dekimasu. Per your suggestion, I posted my rationale for having Doug Parker link to the Doug Parker disabmiguation page, rather than to the airline exec's article. Thanks for looking at it. - Anirvan (talk) 06:07, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

What you've posted does make sense to me, but it would probably be better to have more people look at it, since most of the people you mentioned don't have articles. I think you can convince most people if you list the move in "other proposals" on the Wikipedia:Requested moves page, but I don't feel sure enough about it to make the change by myself. Thanks for getting back to me... Dekimasuよ! 01:11, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fall

I will put up Fall (disambig) for WP:RM so we can discuss this. Talk:Fall (disambiguation)#Requested move. Simply south (talk) 12:37, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for contacting me. I've commented there. Dekimasuよ! 01:07, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] help needed to verify sources

Dear Sir,

I was wondering if you would be interested in helping with a dispute at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse The section in question is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_allegation_of_child_sexual_abuse#False_allegations_of_sexual_abuse_in_childhood We need someone neutral that is well versed in wikipedia policies. If you aren't able to, would you be able to suggest someone else.Abuse truth (talk) 02:50, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] The close of Watson

You wrote "The result was no consensus to move the page to James D. Watson", but i think you meant to write there is no consensus to move the page to James Watson. I was going to change it but thought it might be better if you do it. David D. (Talk) 15:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

By the way, the compromise is good, IMO. David D. (Talk) 15:55, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for noting my mistake. I've made a comment there and fixed the closing statement. Happy editing! Dekimasuよ! 01:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger of interest

Hey Dekimasu, There is a rather interesting discussion going on here. I think that your opinion might be helpful in reaching a consensus/compromise. Cheers —Cronholm¹⁴⁴ 20:03, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Talk:Padan Plain

You are right, I should have mentioned this to Husond. If anyone had asked, I would have said he would notice; after all, both the talk page and WP:RM are presumably on his watch list.

As you can see, he has indeed noticed, and speedy closed the new discussion. I am non-trivially annoyed at this, and have brought it up at WP:ANI#User:Husond. Admins are supposed to implement consensus, not interfere with it being reached. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 22:42, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

I've left a note at ANI, but I'll be away from the computer for a while. I hope it will be helpful. Dekimasuよ! 01:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A request for your consideration regarding CAT:AOTR

Hello fellow Wikipedia administrators open to recall category member!

I am leaving you this message because recent events have given me concern. When Aaron Brenneman and I, and others, first developed this category well over a year ago, we visualized it as a simple idea. A low hassle, low bureaucracy process. We also visualized it as a process that people would come to trust, in fact as a way of increasing trust in those admins who chose to subscribe to the notion of recall. The very informal approach to who is qualified to recall, what happens during it, and the process in general were all part of that approach. But recent events have suggested that this low structure approach may not be entirely effective. More than one of the recent recalls we have seen have been marred by controversy around what was going to happen, and when. Worse, they were marred by some folk having the perception, rightly or wrongly, that the admin being recalled was trying to change the rules, avoid the process, or in other ways somehow go back on their word. This is bad. It's bad for you the admin, bad for the trust in the process, and bad for the community as a whole. I think a way to address this issue is to increase the predictability of the process in advance. I have tried to do that for myself. In my User:Lar/Accountability page, I have given pretty concrete definitions of the criteria for recall, and of the choices I can make, and of the process for the petition, and of the process for other choices I might make (the modified RfC or the RfAr). I think it would be very helpful if other admins who have voluntarily made themselves subject to recall went to similar detail. It is not necessary to adopt the exact same conditions, steps, criteria, etc. It's just helpful to have SOME. Those are mine, fashion yours as you see fit, I would not be so presumptuous as to say mine are right for you. In fact I urge you not to just adopt mine, as I do change them from time to time without notice, but instead develop your own. You are very welcome to start with mine if you so wish, though. If you decide to use mine (or someone else's) I suggest you give a history link to a specific version like Cacharoth did. But do something. If you have not already, I urge you to make your process more concrete, now, while there is no pressure and you can think clearly about what you want. Do it now rather than later, during a recall when folk may not react well to perceived changes in process or commitment. Further, I suggest that after you document your process, that you give a reference to it for the benefit of other admins who may want to see what others have done. List it in this table as a resource for the benefit of all. Do you have to do these things? Not at all. These are suggestions from me, and me alone, and are entirely up to you to embrace or ignore. I just think that doing this now, thinking now, documenting now, will save you trouble later, if you should for whatever reason happen to be recalled. I apologise if this message seems impersonal, but with over 130 members in the category, leaving a personal message for each of you might not have been feasible, and I feel this is important enough to violate social norms a bit. I hope that's OK. Thanks for your time and consideration, and best wishes. Larry Pieniazek NOTE: You are receiving this message because you are listed in the Wikipedia administrators open to recall category. This is a voluntary category, and you should not be in it if you do not want to be. If you did not list yourself, you may want to review the change records to determine who added you, and ask them why they added you.

...My guinea pigs and the "A"s, "B"s and "C" having felt this message was OK to go forward with (or at least not complained bitterly to me about it :) ), today it's the turn of the "D"s, "E"s and "F"s! I'm hoping that more of you chaps/chapettes will point to their own criteria instead of mine :)... it's flattering but a bit scary! :) ++Lar: t/c 18:05, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emperor's name

Hi,

In the past you took part in a discussion about the name of the emperors of Japan. This discussion has just opened again (once again!). You are free to express your opinion here. ThanksŠvitrigaila (talk) 16:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 3

Thank you for your participation in my RfA. It was definitely a dramatic debate that landed on WP:100, but ultimately was deemed a successful declaration of consensus, and I am now an admin. I definitely paid close attention to everything that was said in the debate, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm taking things slowly for now, partially because of the holidays and all the off-wiki distractions. I'm working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school, carefully double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools, with my main goals being to help out with various backlogs. I sincerely doubt you'll see anything controversial coming from my new access level. :) I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are a few more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status. If you do ever have any concerns about my activities as an administrator, I encourage you to let me know. My door is always open. Have a good new year, --Elonka 00:55, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFA neutral

I've posted a reply to your comments at my RfA. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 23:26, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Iaşi-Chişinău Offensive

Hi Deki. Sorry to bother you at your user page, but, the whole debate over it has now become toxic. Agreement seems to be heading towards Iassy-Kishinev Offensive or Jassy or Yassy. (With Iassy being the previous name before an undiscussed move, Jassy-Kishinev Offensive receiving the most google book hits and yassy being the ISO-9 standard transliteration, I believe). The only reason I take the unusual step of asking you to come in and close down the discussion is that now we have people forking off the article (Yassy-Kishinev Offensive Operation) and the talk page has descended into what I can only call a farce. There has not been meaningful discussion for a few days now. Narson (talk) 02:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

My request for adminship was successful at 64/1/2! Many thanks for your participation and I will endeavor to meet your expectations. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 09:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

No problem at all. I look forward to working with you in the future. Cheers, Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 101 Ranch

Could use your help here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Brothers_101_Ranch

The original author seems to insist on her original (and incomplete) version.

All the additions that I have offered have been deleted. All were from legitimate sources. Check the history.

Also, this article should be included in Wikipedia Oklahoma.

Thanks:

jcm —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcmcapital (talk • contribs) 01:34, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Spiritualism

On January 15, User:Espoo moved the article Spiritualism to Spiritualism (religious movement). The move had not been discussed, and at least three of us who have contributed heavily to the article (User:Anthon.Eff, User:Nihil novi, and User:Tom Butler) have objected to the move. Unfortunately, User:Espoo has edited the article Spiritualism, putting in a few dictionary definitions that he thought important. Now, all of the hundreds of links in other articles to Spiritualism go to a stub, and the reader has no way of knowing that the link was intended to go to the original Spiritualism article.

The Spiritualism article (now Spiritualism (religious movement)) had just completed a GA review when User:Espoo did the move, and now all of the energy that should have been spent on meeting the reviewer's suggestions has been dissipated on the talk page.

User:Espoo has one supporter, User:Lucyintheskywithdada. Both have some history (we all do, I guess, but for what it is worth here is something about them). She is User:Lwachowski, an indefinitely blocked user, under another name. Her earlier problems are documented here. I find myself unable to communicate with her. User:Espoo has a history of doing moves without notice. On December 13, he moved the article Spiritism to Kardecist spiritism, without any discussion. Editors were able to move it back, because Spiritism contained only a redirect. Our problem is more complicated, because Spiritualism has been converted to a stub.

I was very much impressed at your calm and objectivity in dealing with the fight over renaming Nobel prize in economics. So you came to mind as the person who could perhaps help us out here. --Anthon.Eff (talk) 17:31, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

OK. I can make some factual corrections here;

• Firstly, I have never been indefinitely blocked user. I forgot the password to the Lwachowski and made a new user called AWachowski. I attempted to change the name over official and contacted the correct admin immediately. The diff is here, [1].

• I am neither blocked nor banned. The names were disallowed because of their similarity to real people, here; [2] apparently without being further comments. And so I was forced to make a new one.
• No such accounts have ever been operated as sockpuppets, as the contribs show. Consequent to identical discrediting accusation, I pointed this out to Athon i detail and so for him to use this against me to you is an act of bad faith.
• The discussion of the move of Spiritualism to Spiritualism (religious movement) took place between 13 December 2007 to 15 January 2008. I entered the conversation in 12 January 2008. I neither moved the topic nor started the new one but have contributed to both extensively.
• I do not only agree that the use of the word spiritualism is broader than that relating to the historical religious movement more accurately known as the Modern Spiritualism, I have provided academic references and citation to support it and continue to developed BOTH articles. The movers justification came from a broad survey of dictionaries and encyclopedias [3]
• I have on numerous occasions attempted to discuss matters with Anthon.Eff on both talk and personal pages. He appears to have taken the matter personally having himself nominated the article for GA [4], has taken to removing from articles and pursuing the deletion of an infobox I made to bring together the broad spectrum of spiritualistic topics on the Wikipedia. [5] and edit waring.
• The article Spiritualism is beyond stub status now. It needs collaborative cooperation and I consider that the specific definitions of the word outside of the "mystic" require attention from relative experts ... but it is getting there.

I find this matter highly obscure. Athon's ire appears to be founded on the simple debate over whether spiritualism refers only to the Modern American Spiritualism, or not. He is in America. I am not. A simple Google shows that both spiritualism and spiritism are used, even by academics fairly interchangeably and broadly [6]. Especially since the Western academics discovered the rest of the world.

I have no intention of digging out the diffs to bitch but quote another author for our benefit, "You simply ignored my contribution to the discussion (10:06, 5 January), so you should not complain about others supposedly not discussing." ...

Thanks ... and I am sorry. I hope you appreciate why I might wish to balance the equation when others seek to discredit me. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 02:29, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

And as if on cue, we have another reversion/deletion of the template I proposed ... OK, diffs are us. [7]. --Lucyintheskywithdada (talk) 03:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Downloading CorHomo

Hi Dekimasu,

Whenever you have time, could you take a look at my comment regarding downloading CorHomo?

Thanks, Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC) _{ps. watashi mo dekimasu yo!  :-)}

[edit] Deletion Review for Astro Empires

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Astro Empires. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Butch-cassidy (talk) 23:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] ja.wiki userpage

Yo you might want to check your userpage on the Japanese Wikipedia once in a while. There'd been vandalism there since December. -SpuriousQ (talk) 01:31, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing, for the note and for the reversion. I haven't been around much lately, and no one noticed the vandalism from the same source on my user page here for two months, either. I'll try to keep up. Dekimasuよ! 14:43, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] English Defense move

Your close of the English Defense move request was a bad mistake. Not only did you go against the clear consensus on the page, but your reasoning is fatally flawed. First, there are eight supports (counting the editor who requested the move) against two opposes. Calling this "in dispute" is bizarre—only a unanimous response in favor of the move would satisfy the bar you've set. Second, your goal of reducing the amount of time spent over discussing the naming of the page will not be met by a bad "no consensus" close. If the page were moved the discussion would be over forever. By not moving the page, you ensure that this will come up again. I have to say I'm really disappointed in what seems to me to be very poor judgment on this. Quale (talk) 05:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

• I've requested an independent review of the close of this move request at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Request review of "no consensus" decision on English Defense. Quale (talk) 05:53, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry to have disappointed you. I replied to your request at WT:RM, and I hope the result will be more to your liking. WP:ENGVAR asks us to avoid moving articles for the sake of moving them, and I cannot see how this article is inherently tied to a particular region - it is about chess, not about England, and both variations are in common use. Dekimasuよ! 06:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Copy and paste from WT:RM to Talk:Lake of Gruyère

Please note that on Wikipedia talk:Requested moves, I suggested re-adding a move request to WP:RM about the move of Lake of Gruyère/Lac de la Gruyère in one way or the other.

The text you pasted on Talk:Lake of Gruyère ([8]) doesn't make much sense there and confuses things further, as Rarelibra already kept deleting part of the discussion (diff) and a question of mine there (diff). Maybe you could repair that for me.

Obviously, I can't prevent rarelibra from posting the same stuff everywhere, but it shouldn't mean that my text has to be moved along. -- User:Docu

I put the discussion in comment tags per your comment that it may be confusing... anyway, it is the correct location for the discussion. I left a note to the effect that (a) there is a listing on RM that should not be taken down at this time; (b) there should be a move request tag on the page until the request is closed - likely 5 days from now; and (c) Talk:Lake of Gruyère is the correct location for further discussion. I hope this will be better for you. Dekimasu 05:50, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Now that a move request is noted on WP:RM, there isn't much need for the text anymore. Possibly it could go directly to an archive page.

Anyways, I will try to restore the "move request tag" after the usual 24 hours. -- User:Docu

[edit] NYC neighborhoods RMs

Thanks for the tip about Soho — I added that and mentioned the other similar moves at each RM section. — AjaxSmack 01:00, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Reva Lucian

I'd appreciate a comment to the reply I left. Thanks! PC78 (talk) 15:46, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure. I was not disagreeing with you, necessarily, but I do not think you showed enough evidence to indicate that the article should be moved. Dekimasuよ! 00:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Lakes

I noticed you closed the move of Lake Chiem to Chiemsee, and that Lake IJssel has been correctly moved to IJsselmeer pe WP:UE. Taking into account the arguments there, at WT:RM#Lakes and User_talk:Neil/Archive_23#Lake_names could you have a look at the similar moves here? These moves were made in good faith, but (with the exception of Lake of Gruyère) do not at all represent English-language use (see evidence at Talk:Chiemsee) and were completely undiscussed and unsourced. I feel a return to the status quo ante is the most appropriate given the large number of articles and the contentiousness if the moves. Knepflerle (talk) 11:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

PS [9], [10], [11], [12], [13] makes it 7 out of 8 discussed that have been reversed - surely we don't need to go through this for every single one of the others when the moves were unsourced in the first place? Knepflerle (talk) 11:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

I'd give you the green light, although I'm not a final arbiter. From what I can see, most of the redirects are unblocked, and I think you should be fine to move them back yourself without further discussion - as you said, it's an indication that the moves were not as uncontroversial as they were claimed to be. If Rarelibra wanted to pursue the issue further, he would then have to open a move request, but it doesn't seem likely that he'd pursue the moves further at this point. Dekimasuよ! 10:51, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I moved them back today. There were quite a few! I think it was important not to endorse "English" neologisms that English speakers do not use such as "Lake of Plau". Some of the moves may have been correct, but a lot of unjustified moves were performed alongside in the headlong rush - and as you say, there is nothing stopping them being reconsidered on a case-by-case basis, this time with some actual evidence of usage. One last thing - the move of Lauwersmeer requires admin assistance - could you have a look at it if you have a moment? Thanks very much for your time, and good luck with the kanji kentei! Knepflerle (talk) 15:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I will get around to this soon... thanks for your encouragement. I passed my test. (..)b Dekimasuよ! 01:50, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Question

How precisely is this a no consensus? The "reply" merely points out a policy under which I am claiming this qualified as an exception! Relata refero (talk) 13:21, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

There was disagreement as to the veracity of your claim, and no one else commented in favor of the move in 10 days. Given this and that there was no evidence presented, I closed the request as "no consensus". Dekimasuよ! 01:49, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I hesitate to take this up, because I hate carping, but the fact is there actually wasn't disagreement. I said that under policy X, this couldn't be moved, except that this article met exception Y in policy X, and the other chap, who clearly hadn't read it, said "this falls under policy X, so it can't be moved." I don't like grumbling at hard-working admins, especially when I've noted for years that WP:RM has a backlog, but "no consensus" is overused, and frequently misapplied - as it was in this case, I'm afraid. Relata refero (talk) 15:12, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, he has read the naming convention, as he comments in nearly every requested move related to royalty. There seem to be three points to consider as far as the naming convention is concerned - if I am missing something you are specifically referring to, please let me know. They are: "use the most common form of the name used in English if none of the rules below cover a specific problem" in the introduction, "If a monarch or prince is overwhelmingly known, in English, by a cognomen, it may be used, and there is then no need to disambiguate by adding Country.... But there must be consensus so strong that it would be surprising to omit the epithet; and the name must actually be unambiguous" in the section on monarchical titles, and the first numbered point in "other non-royal names". The first is not applicable here because there are more specific guidelines ("other non-royal names"); the second is not applicable because it refers only to monarchs and not to members of the peerage; the third does not seem to present any wiggle room for common forms of names, and this seems to be the way we usually name such articles. This is probably one of our least-agreed-upon naming conventions, but since someone who is quite involved in their evolution felt this wasn't supported by the convention, I'd suggest you first ask him for clarification. Personally, on the merits, I don't see one title as considerably more desirable than the other, and I'm willing to be swayed. Dekimasuよ! 04:13, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My request for bureaucratship

[edit] My RfB

Hello Dekimasu. I know my RfB is well finished, but I wondered if I could ask if you could elaborate on your oppose on my RfB. My RfA was a year ago yesterday - I didn't comment much regarding the copyright violations because it was an honest mistake, but a very legitimate concern and felt it best I didn't defend myself and instead allowed people to comment solely with a negative outlook. I did make a statement on my RfA talk page stating that I'd fixed all the problems and that I would happily look at anything else. I certainly wasn't hiding away because it was going to pass - there were a number of times I was about to withdraw because I felt the opposes were strong and I shouldn't be an admin, but I decided to carry on and not offer an explanation, quite simply because there wasn't one - I thought before my rfa I was helping the project. Now, down to business - I just wondered exactly how you felt that would effect my ability to be a bureaucrat? It was long in the past, and when I was actually still new on the project - I have evolved a hell of a lot from that point in time and am very different from my RfA. I was a little puzzled why something that happened when I was relatively new on Wikipedia, and that happened a long time ago would affect how I would perform bureaucrat tasks when they had very little relevance to the tools. I look forward to your response, take care, Ryan Postlethwaite 03:13, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

I think I did make a little more clear how I felt it was related to the bureaucrat tasks - I believed that if an RfA started with a broad show of support, but ended with a consistent weakening of that support, you would be inclined to pass the RfA. This was based on the fact that you followed through with your own RfA after (what I felt were) grave concerns had been expressed. I may be wrong in that assessment, and I'm sure you can better explain to me how you would handle those situations. I certainly don't question the fact that you are a good administrator now that you have the tools. I may have made the error of overlooking the talk page of your RfA at the time of the incident, considering the tenor of my eventual input there. At any rate, I am not sure why this one point from a year ago would have stuck in my mind, whereas I'm sure I have forgotten about dozens of other RfAs entirely. In that your point is fully taken, and I wouldn't want to be judged based solely on edits I made a year ago, either. Maybe you can let me know how you feel about RfAs that are "green", but are trending "red". Dekimasuよ! 03:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Thanks for your support. - J Greb (talk) 22:58, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request for copy of of deleted article

I just noticed that a page I deemed useful and informative, Silent protagonist had been deleted after an AfD I missed. According to WP:WMD, if one wants to put a copy of the deleted article into their own User: namespace, they should contact an administrator to retrieve a copy. So I'm asking you. :) Thank you for your response in advance. --Bisqwit (talk) 11:02, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

A copy is now in your userspace at User:Bisqwit/Silent protagonist. Happy editing.... Dekimasuよ! 03:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] My RfA

Hi Dekimasu! Thank you for your support in my RfA (87/3/3). I truely appreciate the many votes of confidence, and I will exert myself to live up to those expectations. Thanks again! - CobaltBlueTony™ talk 17:56, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bangalore/Bengaluru, again

Please take a look at what is going on with the article on Bangalore. I guess you'll remember the Bangalore/Bengaluru business from a few months ago. It has surfaced again. On March 9, someone suggested that the article should be moved to "Bengaluru" (which was perfectly alright, in itself, of course). On March 31 someone else agreed, a relative handful of supporters piled on and before 24 hours had passed the page was moved to "Bengaluru". Then a further edit to the redirecting "Bangalore" page rendered the move irreversible by ordinary editors.
Given the long-running controversy over this, I think the page-move did not get proper discussion this time around, and was executed without what anyone could reasonably suppose was consensus. Please restore the page to "Bangalore". -- Lonewolf BC (talk) 17:06, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that it would be counterproductive for me to be the person who moves the page back again, as my continued intervention would become a point of contention. You are right that this was done too quickly, but there isn't actually a hard-and-fast requirement that moves must be done through WP:RM. What I have done is unblocked the redirect from Bangalore, so anyone else can restore the previous title; the extra edit to that page was unnecessary and could easily be construed as disruptive. If you want to pursue this further, I'd suggest contacting one of the other admins who works at RM, e.g. User:GTBacchus, to act as an intermediary. If you need any input for me on the talk page as regards the previous move request, just let me know. On the other hand, it looks like the move might gain consensus this time. That shouldn't be discounted out of hand because they performed the process improperly. Hope this helps. Dekimasuよ! 06:17, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Hastings

Out of curiosity, what made you edit the Paul Hastings law firm web page? curzon@cominganarchyy.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Curzon (talk • contribs) 04:58, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

According to the edit history, I was fixing a link to "Orange County" to make it point directly to the intended article. I was probably fixing a whole list of ambiguous links to "Orange County" at the time. Dekimasuよ! 15:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Looking for input/guidance

Doing my nightly rounds through WP:RM and came across something I'd appreciate your input on. Once again, a request to move CFL (disambiguation) → CFL has come along, and as you closed the last request last July, I thought you might have more of a background for this one (granted, one of many move requests you've participated in, but who knows). Thanks! JPG-GR (talk) 06:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't really like the anecdotal nature of the search-engine evidence in favor of moving the page, or agree that the figures on page views are applicable when attempting to determine the usage of a completely different search term. On the other hand, I'd probably have come to the conclusion that consensus was in favor of moving the page this time, particularly if most of the links are through templates that can be cleaned up easily. Due to the continued requests, it might be best to fall back on that old "primary topics" saying that when there's an extended argument over which page is the primary topic, neither is. Dekimasuよ! 13:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

I requested a CSD G6 speedy deletion of CFL, which was completed by User:Cobaltbluetony. Amusingly, I was at lunch at the time, and the redirect was then recreated. I once again requested CSD G6 speedy deletion, but this request was declined by (of all people) User:Cobaltbluetony, who has now gone on to oppose the move, citing the number of incoming links to CFL referring to Canadian Football League (which I don't find to be a valid reason, but maybe that's just me). Upon again tagging with CSD G6 speedy deletion, User:Hut 8.5 declined, so it looks likes I'm gonna let this one collect some more dust in the backlog *shrug*. Thanks for all your help, though! :) JPG-GR (talk) 19:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move of sex

Why did you close this as no move? There was no opposition to the move; one comment from an IP providing no reasons doesn't count.

Your closing summary said 'sex not ambiguous', which is absurd - the word 'sex' most often refers to sexual behavior in modern English. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 08:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for my edit summary; it was not supposed to be a form of passing judgment, but just a short note to let people know what discussion I had closed. As far as it goes, we don't dismiss the opinions of IP editors, and he did give a reason: the Sex article (according to his opinion) is the primary topic of the search term "sex" based upon the frequency of visitors to that page. While not passing judgment on this argument either, there weren't any commenters who supported your request, so I'd be hard pressed to consider that a consensus in favor of a move. I understand your frustration as far as talk pages are concerned, but I doubt that we should allow that to dictate the locations of articles to us. Dekimasuよ! 08:47, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I do dismiss the opinions of IP editors, and anyway his reason is incorrect: he stated that Sex is the 'most-viewed non-topical page' on Wikipedia, but the great majority of those were presumably people that typed in 'sex', so that doesn't tell us what they're looking for. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 21:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Okay; let's set aside the merits of the request and the fact that the lone commenter was an IP editor. Your request was not formulated correctly, because it involved moving two pages: the disambiguation page, and the page currently at Sex. For such a multimove to take place, editors at both pages should be informed, and a new title for the second page needs to be proposed. In most cases, if there is an article at the proposed target of a request, the request will be speedily closed. In this case it appears that no one noticed for a while. Also, the rationale (not just the move template) should be shown on the talk page. Not everyone who may want to comment on the move proposal will come to the page through Wikipedia:Requested moves, and as far as archiving is concerned it is helpful to editors of the articles to know why moves were made. If you want to reopen this request, I suggest that you follow the procedure for moving multiple pages that's shown in the header of Wikipedia:Requested moves and designate Talk:Sex as the venue for discussion of the request, because it is where it is most likely to be seen by interested observers. Dekimasuよ! 05:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

Thank you for resolving the flags of Gibraltar issue, could I ask you to have a look at the six pages which were renamed from 'Gibraltar' to 'Gibraltarian'

Where a similar argument applies to elections and referenda.

They comprise

• Gibraltarian general election, 2007
• Gibraltarian general election, 2003
• Gibraltarian general election, 2000
• Gibraltarian sovereignty referendum, 1967
• Gibraltarian constitutional referendum, 2006
• Template:Gibraltarian elections

which are wrong

• Gibraltar sovereignty referendum, 2002

uses the correct wording (see official poster on page)

--Gibnews (talk) 20:23, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I did look at them, but I don't see as much of an opportunity for compromise on those pages. "General election in Gibraltar, 2007", etc. would be one way to resolve the problem, but I don't think that everyone would be happy with that. If it comes to simply deciding between the editors who agree with you and the ones who don't, I'd rather not be the one to do that... while I do hope to help resolve the WP:RM backlog, there are only so many post-close complaints I can respond to at my low level of recent activity. Dekimasuよ! 05:36, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Bleach (manga)

If you will notice, in my FIRST revert of your changes to the media section, I noted that it had been done per a talk page discussion. You are the one who continued reverting instead of going to the discussion that had already agreed that the List of Bleach media was inappropriate and needed to be merged back in properly per the MoS. Please stop changing the media section, which is now in a more proper format per the MoS and the consensus of the project as to how that section should be formatted. If you disagree with its contents, please just join the discussion instead of continuing to undo the start of much needed work on the article.Collectonian (talk) 07:00, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

I did not disregard the talk page discussion in any way. You reverted several corrections and changes to content that had nothing to do with the existence of the media page. I don't really care what is on the media page; I have never been involved in it. What I do know is that there are factual errors and unnecessary facts on the current Bleach (manga) page, and you have stopped me from correcting/cleaning it. That information isn't needed anywhere, and I didn't remove it because I was taking it to another page. You are implying that I did not read the talk page (I did), do not know the MOS (I do), and disregarded consensus (I didn't). Dekimasuよ! 07:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

If you had read the page, are familiar with the MoS, and were not disregarding consensus, you wouldn't have removed the sections from the media section. Anyway, I've put back in your corrections, with the exceptions noted in the article talk page. For the Bleach novels, since you note they are not light novels, but regular novels, and seem familiar with their content, have you read them or do you own them? If so, rather than removing the table, why not add the missing information such as the chapter list, cover characters, and summaries. Collectonian (talk) 07:19, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You reverted me even after edits in which I retained the sections. I find the novels (which reiterate the manga storyline) are, frankly, not notable enough to be described on the main Bleach page, particularly if we are using space that could be more productively used to flesh out the other sections of the article in more detail. That doesn't mean they need to be described elsewhere; they may simply be non-notable. Dekimasuよ! 07:31, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Japanese Music Charts

Hi, I'm just writing to you to request your help and assistance in referencing the Japanese Music Charts. Through out alot of popular english songs I have viewed I have noticed that they have been noted as performing well in Japan and have also read that the Japanese music market it very big. But in saying this every song I have seen has not got a Japanese chart position in the charts box. So if you are into music and willing to try and provide information on the Japanese Music Charts it would be greatly appreciated so then wikipedia users can start adding the Japanese chart positions into the chart boxes for popular songs. TeePee-20.7 (talk) 04:02, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Alma Ata Declaration

Hello. I noticed that you had added the clean-up tag on this article, and with good reason too. I have now removed the primary text and have put in descriptions and references. I have also removed the clean-up tag. Hoping this is fine. Prashanthns (talk) 12:04, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Request

Hey I was wondering if you are willing to grant rollback rights to me for the english wikipedia. I have made a few pages & they were not able to be moved so i took all the information out & redirected users to the other page, Other users would "Undo" my edits & i ended up getting blocked for a few days for vandalism (Unjust)so i thought the rollback rights would help. Also i was wondering if you alone can grant Admin. Rights. Thanks

[edit] Support

Please show your support. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Japanese_Supercar —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spell123 (talk • contribs) 08:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)