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Japanese

Hi, sorry, I had no idea about that template and I can't believe I didn't check to see that that link didn't point to the Japanese language! I'm working on changing them now. Any chance you could give me some pointers in using that template, I've never seen it before. Thanks. --Timkovski 20:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

USS Arneb, etc.

Thanks for putting in the Imperial Japanese Navy links. I'm posting articles on a lot of WWII U.S. Navy ships, and I'm just learning about the appropriate links for U.S. stuff. I'm grateful for anything about the Japanese side. Lou Sander 19:03, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Katsuma Dan

Thanks for the comments and the edits! I am not an expert on Japan but I am writing a couple more articles with Japanese-American themes. I am sure they would benefit from a good critical reading.

By the way, I am a huge Tanizaki fan and I agree that the Tanizaki article should be expanded. I look forward to it. Actinman

Katsumeidan jiken

If you have time, please check out League of Blood Incident. I am not an expert on Japanese history but I found a reference to the incident when I was researching Katsuma Dan. It seemed appropriate for a Wikipedia article. Let me know what you think. Actinman 03:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm having some trouble finding further information on it in Japanese or English (I can't figure out what the kanji should be for the "katsu" in "katsumeidan"), but I did enjoy reading it. I'll keep looking around for more information. Dekimasu 03:49, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I have it. I just realized it's "ketsumeidan," where the "ketsu" is "blood." Now it makes sense and I can find more information for touching up the article. Dekimasu 03:52, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the help. My main source for this is an excellent article by Stephen Large from Modern Asian Studies (35(3):553-564). He renders the name as katsumeidan but it sounds like that might not be the best transliteration. Actinman 16:52, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Censorship

You edited the talk page of a rejected, and therefore inactive, policy proposal. First, editing others' comments is widely frowned upon. Second, inactive policy pages are often on watchlists, in case anyone tries to revive discussion. Edits tend to confuse the record and make the discussion look active.

No great harm done, but I thought I would mention it. Robert A.West (Talk) 16:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Clarification (but not an excuse): I made this edit to fix a disambiguation link. Dekimasu 11:15, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I assume you were using "what links here" to do multiple fixes. I generally avoid talk space when doing that. Not that I haven't screwed up. As I said, no real harm done. Robert A.West (Talk) 14:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I was doing. Anyway, now I know. Dekimasu 15:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Thx

Just wanted to say thanks for fixing my profile XSpaceyx 22:49, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Me too! DruidArena 06:05, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
I too thank you for taking correcting a mistake I had made in my profile *bows* Lord Metroid 10:41, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Haskell change

I left a question related to your recent edit on Talk:USS Haskell (APA-117)--J Clear 01:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

(Copied over from the talk page, in case you're watching this space.) This was a mistake on my part - I generally think that the Navy was involved in the battles on the Pacific islands, whereas the Army was responsible for the campaigns in China, the Philippines, and other places where most of the fighting wasn't amphibious. Since Okinawa is actually part of Japan, that wasn't the whole story. The Navy page says Kamikaze planes were particularly effective during the defense of Okinawa, in which 1,465 planes were expended to damage around 250 American warships, but this wasn't the bulk of the planes that Japan lost according to the Battle of Okinawa page. The Japanese page on the Battle of Okinawa says that most (86,000 of 116,000) of the force protecting Okinawa was from the Army, and of course, there were air bases in Okinawa. While I still think it would have been the Navy in this case, I'm not confident, so I'm changing the link to Empire of Japan. Dekimasu 02:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
I was watching both. Thanks. The original reference was from DANFS, and I just wikied it. Since the Haskell left, they avoided attacks by both, so Empire of Japan is probably a good link.--J Clear 04:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Totsuka Michitaro

If you could take a quick peek at this bio stub Totsuka Michitaro and if nothing else can you comment on the two spellings I found (see its Talk page)? Thanks.--J Clear 01:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

(Same as above.) His last name is Totsuka, so those should be switched, but Michitaro is correct. It took some work, but I found him at this link (in Japanese). It has his name kanji, his dates, and even when he was promoted to each rank. I'll add in his dates and kanji and move the page if it's possible. Dekimasu 03:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Moved the page and added that information, though I didn't really add to his bio. Dekimasu 03:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Just dropping a note, thanks for the disambiguation link repair on my profile. akuyume(Adam) 03:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup tag

Hi there how are you going? Apparently some contributors have edited the section you've tagged with the cleanup tag. Please see it, Tourism in Indonesia and tell us what you think. If you think it still need the tag, umm, please point which part of the section that needs major edit. Cheers, take care -- Imoeng 10:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

I think the info is much better, so I did a little editing and I took out the cleanup tag. Thanks for the friendly note. Dekimasu 07:15, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Shigemi Hagihara

Konnichiha, dekimasu-san.

Thanks for the heads-up on the copyright violation. The person who wrote the text and took the pictures on the website is very likely to be the author of the wikipedia page, and claims to have released the pictures into the public domain.

However, the external website has a copyright notice on it. Accordingly, the text is copyrighted. I've removed most of the content. Thanks for pointing it out. - Richardcavell 12:04, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Prester John

G'day from Australia, Thankx for fixing my link to Japan. Konichi wa?

Simon Woodroffe

Hi there, you marked Simon Woodroffe as being contradictory. Just passing by, but couldn't see where it was contradictory, and wondered if I was being dim? You didn't leave a comment on the talk page explaining it anyway. TheMoog 09:10, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

The first sentence and the fourth sentence disagree. Was the chain started in 1997 or 1998? I myself don't know, so I added the tag. Dekimasu 16:37, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see - someone seems to have fixed that now, but thanks for clearing up why it was tagged for me. TheMoog 21:25, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Soul Society image

Could you add a line to the description that says which episode you took the screen-cap from? Otherwise, that blasted orphanbot may tag it as unsourced. --tjstrf 06:43, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I added "Screenshot of the Bleach anime, episode 25, as broadcast by TV Tokyo." Think that's enough? Dekimasu 07:12, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Yep, thank you kindly. I hate having to invent guesstimated sources for images after the orphanbot starts whining. --tjstrf 08:13, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Infobox

I know, that link is tiny. I may be able to fix that, since I was able to at least improve it from the default (compare with Rurouni Kenshin). I disagree that it creates any POV issues, since this is the enwiki. If I'd left out Canada or something, that would be POV, but putting all the non-english non-original publishers in an extended list shouldn't be a problem and was the entire purpose of that field to start with. I didn't create that field, I simply made it not impossible to see. --tjstrf 10:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you read it now? If not, how much bigger do you need? I'll deal with POV issues and whatever else after I get the size fixed. --tjstrf 10:17, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Now I can read it, but the "More:" text is larger than the Bleach text at the top of the infobox. The "show" link is the right size, but when I expand the list, the names of the other publishers are still smaller than anything else in the infobox and hard to read. It seems to not be scaling with the rest of the infobox for some reason. If it helps at all, I have my browser set to default text size. Dekimasu 10:24, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, the size issue is fixed. At least for me, the text size is identical to the other infobox text. --tjstrf 10:27, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Still not the same for me. I can read the "additional publishers" part, but upon expanding the list, the names of the other publishers are illegibly small. Dekimasu 10:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
Seriously? For me those are exactly the same size as the others. What browser are you using? (It works for me in both Opera and IE6) --tjstrf 10:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, I must go to bed now. Sorry, but you'll have to talk to me about this tomorrow. Hopefully it's only effecting you. --tjstrf 10:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

I'm running Firefox 1.8 (the up-to-date version). Good night! Dekimasu 10:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
OK, good night. I'm asking everyone to tell me what it looks like on the Bleach talk page right now, so discuss there. --tjstrf 10:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Nick, remember me

I'm 99% sure this is Nick, Eddie H.'s friend (no full names; I like staying anonymous on here, too). I was hanging out with you and Eddie in Kobe. If I'm wrong, please disregard.--Nobunaga24 12:42, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

"Confused why you did that"

Yes... it was an error when copy-paste fixing the huge number of double redirects we just created. Sometimes the page would redirect without me noticing and I'd edit the wrong one. Oops --tjstrf 03:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for creating them. I'm working on them as fast as I can but that happened to be the one that popped up on my watchlist. Thanks for the help. Dekimasu 03:36, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
No, they were a good idea, or at least better than having that many articles... they just make link repair an absolute terror. On the bright side, it's good for my edit count! ;) --tjstrf 03:41, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

sjk categories

Yes, I thought I had removed the subcategories as well, can you point me which ones are still alive? -- Drini 20:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

They appear to have been emptied, but the ones listed on the CfD page (except the overarching category) are all still there. The categories are [[Category:Sjk 2005]], [[Category:Sjk Houston]], [[Category:Sjk Katrina]], [[Category:Sjk September 2005]], [[Category:Sjk blather]], [[Category:Sjk carpentry]], [[Category:Sjk cats]], [[Category:Sjk entries]], [[Category:Sjk love]]. Thanks for the answer. Dekimasu 00:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Language disambiguation

Thanks for the disambiguation link repair on my page. You missed all of the Russian -> Russian language ambiguous links though. ;) But thanks to you making me aware of the problem I fixed it now.　お疲れ様でした～。 Truncated 12:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sora Inoue

The book that revealed Sora's name came out in January 2006! [1]

Be glad it came out as soon as it did, I guess. Also, I expect VIZ to revise its newer printings of Bleach Vol. 1 soon. WhisperToMe 02:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

In fact, which volumes had "Kakei"? I'll check my bookstore and see if VIZ edited the printings. WhisperToMe 02:29, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I have that book, and I read all of the Bleach things in Japanese anyway, but I never read SOULs closely enough to catch that. Why did VIZ feel like they had to give him a first name anyway, if the originals avoided it? Considering that they went ahead and made up a name before it was revealed, I doubt that VIZ is concerned about consistency enough to go back and fix anything. I don't have access to English versions of the manga here. It still seems like Sora Inoue should redirect out of Characters in Bleach since the links aren't related to Bleach. Dekimasu 02:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I see you've handled that already (^^)b Dekimasu 02:37, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"VIZ isn't known for being good about things like that. Under what circumstances did the English manga and anime have to reveal his first name anyway, when the originals didn't? This after people were complimenting the dub on its respect for Japanese naming issues. Dekimasu 02:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC)"

When a younger sibling addresses an older sibling in Japanese, he or she calls him or her "honorable older brother" or "honorable older sister" - I.E. Orihime called her brother "Brother" in the Japanese originals. VIZ did not want to have Orihime call her brother "brother" all the time, so VIZ had to make up a name for him. WhisperToMe 02:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

That's what I'm objecting to. If they wished to maintain the original flavor they wouldn't have subverted the "older brother" denotation (and I don't feel like san has as such an "honorable" connotation here, since it's more something said by convention). "Big brother" is in standard English usage and having Orihime say it would have reinforced her somewhat childlike image. I don't think they had to do it. Dekimasu 02:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
EDIT [2] - Sora first appears on October 2005, so the guidebook actually might have been released earlier than Feb. 2006 WhisperToMe 02:51, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm not sure what the source of the name was, but the first printing of the guidebook (I have it right here) was on February 8. Dekimasu 02:58, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
EDIT [3] - The Japanese Amazon page also says 02/06 - Maybe some copies were given out early? WhisperToMe 02:54, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I doubt they would have been out that early. There must have been a third source, probably related to Jump merchandising.... Dekimasu 02:59, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
I'm sure the date on the Amazon page is right, since things tend to come out about five days before they're supposed to here. Dekimasu 03:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
As for a circumstance for when VIZ corrected naming for newer printings, remember Maito Gai of Naruto? Turns out his name is actually Might Guy. VIZ got a hint and edited their older printings :) WhisperToMe 02:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

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Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Dekimasu! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 20:34, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm still having problems logging in. Please let me know if you have any suggestions. Dekimasu 08:51, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
I are you using VP 1.3 if not please see [[User talk:Betacommand/Sandbox|this for the download. Betacommand (talk • contribs • Bot) 03:40, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Highcliffe School

What is it about the Highcliffe School wiki that is not notable? Electrology

I know that the school itself may be notable, but the article does not assert or explain the notability. A description of the Blackboard system at the school isn't really helpful in that regard. Dekimasu 02:38, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Sorry for causing a back-up, didn't realise that some of the pages were doing that. How do you add these disambiguations and know which pages will need them? Ichi-o 12:59, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

If you have popups enabled, you can hit preview before sending your edit through. Then roll over the links you've made in the article and see which ones come up as disambiguation pages. That's a lot faster than checking each one individually. You can add popups using the method here if you don't have them: Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups. I fixed all of the pages that had problems at the Japanese disambiguation page, so don't worry about what's in the past. (^^)b Dekimasu 12:34, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

STS-120

You have recently vandalized the article STS-120. This is really not a good idea and could result in your being blocked. Hektor 11:41, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

This was due to a bug in loading the page in CorHomo and I wasn't aware of the problem. You can see from my edit summary that I was in the process of disambiguating links to the word Japanese, one of which is still on the STS-120 page and which I will fix now. I'm not sure why it loaded the arc page instead of STS-120, but if you had looked at my contributions it would have been clear I was editing in good faith. Vandalism and human/machine error are not the same thing. Dekimasu 15:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
Ok, perfect. Hektor 16:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

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Category Osaka

Hey, just thought I'd point you in the direction of a new category I created: Category:Wikipedians in Osaka. Figured there might be enough Wikipedians living in Osaka to make it worthwhile. --Brad Beattie (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Disamb Maintenance

I have reverted your edits to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2006 August 26. When doing disambiguation maintenance, you should not change links that intentionally point to a disambig page. You should also avoid changing archived deletion debates. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre 13:54, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I believe I was confused because in the nomination I had not pointed it to the disambiguation page in the first place (you can see that the pointing was done in the September 2 edit after the discussion had ended). I was intending to make it the way I originally listed it and ended up taking out the redirect's link as well. I do notice that they are linked in the other nominations on the page. Why are both of them usually linked when they redirect to the same place, anyway? Dekimasu 06:00, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
I missed that you were the one who originally nominated it. You are correct that someone else added the linkage, but it was actually done prior to the closing. Both the redirect and the target are linked (and the {{rfd2}} nomination template will automatically do that for you) to make it easier on reviewers. When a redirect is nominated, it is tagged with {{rfd}} which breaks the redirect. Having both linked on the WP:RFD page makes it easy to open the redirect and the target for review. Also, sometimes the redirect gets changed after the nomination has been opened. -- JLaTondre 12:25, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Redirection of Higashi-osaka election

How come you redirected elections in Higashi-osaka to the main page of the city. Other cities have separate pages for elections. Also the Higashi-osaka page looks clutterd with all thoose tables. --Jonte-- 20:58, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Hmm, this must have been a month ago. I didn't redirect it with thought to election pages of any cities except for Higashiosaka. I did it because they were singleton residents of their categories and there were no real prospects for further development of the page... but most importantly, I did it because there is almost no information on the main Higashiosaka, Osaka page, so it doesn't require daughter pages. I think any impression of clutter is due to the fact that there is very little other information on the Higashiosaka page so far. It wouldn't seem to be cluttering anything if it was a smaller percentage of the text of the article. Dekimasu 04:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I've not been on Wikipedia for a while. Thank you for your explanation but I still think the election should be on a separate page. Mainly because that's how it's done on all other articles regarding elections. Also some one might add other elections in Higashi-osaka and then that section would take up a lot of space. So I think that in order to fit with other similar pages we should change back. --Jonte-- 22:13, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Kitsune in popular culture

I replied to your comment on my talk page. Thanks. Shimeru 07:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

JA user Shortie

Great! I'm glad that she didn't make any damaging edits on JA Wikipedia. Has any action been taken against the account there? I really can't tell because the Japanese characters all come up as a box.--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 23:52, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

There's no indication that any action has been taken against the account. The blankings of the talk page and the user page were done by the user herself, so she may have just given up on JA. Dekimasu 01:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
Thanks--Ed ¿Cómo estás? 05:30, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Henna gaijin

You removed some data from Henna gaijin as being copyvio: why, and where does this material come from then? The phrases seemed quite simple, so why not paraphrasing them instead? LHOON 10:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

It's displayed in the first few paragraphs on hennagaijin.org. Also, the information isn't really information. This article is about a non-notable neologism. It is defined by its website, and that isn't encyclopedic. Dekimasu 10:59, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Correcting Japanese to Japanese People

Hi. Thank you for pointing the mismatch in Japanese links that should have been Japanese People. From now on, I'll make sure to point to the correct page. --Pygenot 10:33, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Disambig Prussia

As it clearly said at the relevant place on the relevant page -on which I have also left you a note - I have been working on this for the last 4 weeks, and it is very discourteous of you to cut in once the great majority of the work (103 links out of 109) has been done. Even on Wikipedia, famous for its rudeness, some basic standards of behaviour are necessary, and I see from your page that you are quite old enough to understand this. HeartofaDog 20:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I did note that I completed very few links. Actually, I assumed that you had already finished working on the page and had forgotten to move it to the bottom, and that since that time, six new links had accumulated. I remember being offended about something similar that happened to me in August, but please remember that everyone is working together towards the same goal. I was working to further that goal, just as you were. Dekimasu 01:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Maybe you would like to consider adopting the Prussia (disambiguation) page. If you can keep it off the maintenance list then my attention won't be drawn to it anymore. Dekimasu 01:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
I have indeed added it to my other adopted pages, and have now stopped being offended, although these small irritations are very frequent, and periodically build up. Nevertheless, you are right. HeartofaDog 12:58, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Dekimasu, thanks for your work on Prussia and other disambig pages. No one "owns" anything on Wikipedia, and your help is greatly appreciated. By almost everyone. :) --Russ (talk) 14:16, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for that little edit on my userpage. ^_^ DrowningInRoyalty 01:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

International Celestial Reference Frame

Hi! That one is tricky; I'm not even sure what is meant by the relevant sentence ("Although relativity implies that there is no true inertial frame..."). :-( I left a note on the article's talk page hoping that someone will clarify it. Thank you for the disambig advice, by the way! It's my first time trying my hand at it. HEL 12:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

The Working Man's Barnstar
I hereby confer upon you this Working Man's Barnstar to thank you for your tireless disambiguation work! Russ (talk) 10:44, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks! It means a lot to me to be recognized by a user who I respect so much. Please continue to help me when I ask uninformed questions about disambiguation. (^_-) Dekimasu 04:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Japanese ethnicity picture

Hi there, I just wanted to point out that while the new picture may be of lesser quality, what's more important is that its licensing is not in question at all. The previous image had a highly dubious fair use justification and very vague sourcing. I think we shouldn't have to rely on dubiously sourced/fair use justified images, especially as we clearly have English-language Wikipedians in Japan. If you really object to the quality of the new picture, I suggest that we don't use either picture until a better image can be found. Bwithh

I had just clicked on your talk page to send you a message with almost the same contents. You may have noticed that I didn't readd the old picture. I intended to suggest that we look for a better picture together. Dekimasu 03:49, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
Okay cool, I'm happy to try to find a better image together too Bwithh 04:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible pics from Wikicommons

with your preference for traditional dress in mind:

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Shinto_married_couple.jpg (could do with some cropping)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Shinto_wedding_shrine_tokyo.jpg (cropping needed)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Morioka_Kinder_3.JPG

Bwithh 04:55, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Possible CC-licensed pics from Flicker

http://flickr.com/photos/76162070@N00/39589492/ (good profiles but needs cropping especially to remove the face on the right)

http://flickr.com/photos/nandemo-ii/158581109/

http://flickr.com/photos/bnittoli/213176729/ (well... I thought we might want a modern/traditional fusion)

http://flickr.com/photos/geoff_leeming/27740478/

http://flickr.com/photos/taminator/304772947/ group shot (traditional and modern) with um, bonus gaijin (location is Vancouver however - but that doesnt matter for ethnicity template?)

http://flickr.com/photos/taminator/301744479/ group shot "japanese" (shinto temple in Vancouver?} interior with same family as above but without gaijin... I think this is one of my favourite ones - I like the way the younger couple is in traditional clothes and the older people are in modern clothes. I would crop above their hands though. Bwithh 05:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the last one looks really good. There's a range of ages, both sexes, different styles of dress, and the background isn't too disruptive. If it can be cropped to fit well, I'd definitely say it's good for the template. And good job! I hadn't gotten around to searching yet. Dekimasu 00:51, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Glad to do it... I checked the picture and its Creative Commons licensing is of the "some rights" form[4], which means that we can use the picture in an unmodified form without asking permission. But if we want to crop it, we will need to ask the copyright holder's permission. I will test the picture using a cropped version and if it works, I will ask permission from the copyright holder. Bwithh 02:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
Ok, I tested the image, and it works fine as a cropped image, I believe. I emailed the copyright holder - it looks like Wikipedia requirements would need us to ask permission even if there was no cropping (due to differences between CC limited license and GFDL). Let's see how the photographer replies Bwithh 02:45, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Unfortunately,the photographer has not yet replied to my flicker email to him , and he has definitely been active on flicker (uploaded new photos) during the time. On the other hand, someone else has uploaded a public domain set of photos to the template, so it's all good Bwithh 05:40, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Um, on the other hand, is the new photo uploaded by someone else really valid? Its labelled as their own creation, released into public domain, but it seems to be four professional photos stuck together. Bwithh 05:42, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's not a valid tag. I think there was also a previous discussion on Talk:Japanese people that resulted in removing Shinzo Abe (I may be wrong). These photos are somewhat worse than the woman in the kimono, because they are some of the most well-known Japanese citizens. It makes it harder to make it clear that the article is about Japanese ethnicity. Maybe I should start to look around for photos.... Dekimasu 06:18, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
Ah, I see. They were all taken from the articles on their respective subjects and pasted together. If the woman in the kimono wasn't fair use, though, this isn't fair use either. In particular the photos of Nakata and Utada are questionable in that context. I checked and it looks like the discussion was about Koizumi, but it still applies to Abe. I think there shouldn't be anyone widely known as a Japanese citizen in the picture. Dekimasu 06:27, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

your message

Hi,

Too busy to do dab page stuff at the moment, but may be ready soon. I notice you do TEFL, presumably in Japan. I'm a Taiwan TEFL'er currently in the US getting a PhD. Also your remarks on my talk page that began, "As an aside, I certainly agree with your idea..." sound like something I might say, but I don't remember saying them. :-) Where did I say that? Later, --Ling.Nut 05:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

It was at your second user page, if I remember correctly. I noticed that you have a lot of philosophical discussion of Wikipedia processes on your main talk page, and I found it by looking around to see what had prompted it. I've been thinking that after five months around here I should get more involved in those kinds of discussions myself. Dekimasu 04:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Japanese people image

The photographer who owns the flickr image has replied - he's interested. I am currently clarifying the licensing situation for him. We'll see how it goes Bwithh 06:56, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Great. That was the best image anyway; I failed horribly at finding one, although in the process, I did find a good street image for the middle of the ganguro article. Dekimasu 04:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

NPWatcher welcome

You've been approved to use NPWatcher. Please give me any feature requests or bugs. I'm also happy to help if you have any problems running the program, or any questions :). Before you run the program, please check the changelog on the application page to see if I've made a new release (or just add the main page (here) to your watchlist). Finally, enjoy! Martinp23 14:16, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the approval! I'll let you know if I have any problems. Dekimasu 04:45, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Spring

I'm new to Wikipedia, but I'm glad to find a project I can help with! I'm going to work on the "Spring" disambiguation page as much as I possibly can until they're all cleaned up. Kaiwynn 02:44, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! It looks like the collaboration is almost done now. When it's finished, please look through the list for any other pages you might be interested in helping with. Dekimasu 04:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Comment on Hinduism page

Hi, I moved a recent comment that you had left on the Hinduism talk page to the Hindu Notice Board where it is more likely to be seen by all editors working on the Hinduism project. I hope you will not consider this rude. Thanks. Abecedare 04:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for the misformatting on the move. I was about to correct it when I got into an edit conflict with you! Abecedare 04:14, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
No problem. I was only looking for an active talk page, and the place you moved it seems to be a better place to find assistance. It's outside of the usual scope of my edits, so thanks for the help. Dekimasu 04:24, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Genzō Murakami

Thanks for that translation. I really owe you one.--Maison mere des rumeurs 05:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

On the contrary, I'm happy to see the French page too. If you have any other requests (from Japanese), just let me know. They don't take me long, if they are about that length. Dekimasu 07:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Ok :). I will, thanks.--Maison mere des rumeurs 10:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your edits

Thanks for your edits to User:Sam ov the blue sand/Ace Combat X Fictional Aircraft they are greatly needed.Sam ov the blue sand 18:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

History of Sheffield

Hi! Thanks for reviewing History of Sheffield. I have made the MoS changes that you requested—in my line of work we always put citations before punctuation, so it looks odd to me this way, but that's OK. Thanks again, —JeremyA 19:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Hinduism

{{Hindu Links}}--D-Boy 11:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the info. I am going to disable the large template so it doesn't take over my talk page. If you can help with the Vedic religion problem, please do. Dekimasu 16:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

WP:ADOPT

Hi there,

As a user looking to Adopt with the Adopt-a-User program, there has been some ongoing developments that we would like to bring to your attention, as well as request help with the backlog at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user.

You should know that the way the adoption process works has changed slightly. To decrease workload at Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user on offering adoption please change the {{Adoptme}} template to {{Adoptoffer}} on the user's user page, and this will add the user to Category:Wikipedians having been offered adoption. Users that have already been offered adoption can always have a second or third offer, but by separating out those users that have not had an adoption offer yet, it is hoped that no one will go lacking. Once adoption is complete please use the templates found here on the Adoptee's and your user page.

Also numerous Adopters have been adding their details to a list of users available for adopting, to offer a more personalised service and allow new users to browse through and pick their own Adopter. The quickest way to adopt though, is still to contact users at the Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user.

Furthermore a new Adopter's Area has been created where you can find useful resources and other Adopter's experiences. Please feel free to add any resources you have and if you know of any useful resources for new users / Adoptees then you can add them here.

So I hope you get adopting soon - and if you have any general questions or suggestions about the further development of Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User please bring them to our talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 15:17, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

J-ska

Re: J-ska, this is an inquiry for my own edification rather than a challenge to your edit. Can you refer me to the guidelines on this matter so I can know which from what in the future? To make communication easier, I'll just watch this page for now and you can answer me right here. Thanks. House of Scandal 12:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The basic guidelines are at Wikipedia:External links, although I think you might want to look at the proposed guideline at Wikipedia:External links/YouTube. Whether or not the proposal passes, the general take remains valid. Since the two links I removed were music videos, it can be safely assumed that the creators hold the copyrights for those works. The person who posted them on YouTube is not likely to be authorized to post them, and YouTube doesn't normally scan its submissions for copyright violations unless it receives cease-and-desist letters. Conversely, I think that most Wikipedia editors place the burden of proof on the contributor of the link to show that it is legal. Hope this helps; let me know if I sound muddled. Dekimasu 12:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No, that's cool; I understand and appreciate the help. I like adding audio and video links to my articles when possible. I see it as an extention of the "don't tell, show" philosophy. I will avoid linking to probable copyright violation stuff in the future. BTW, you may not have noticed that J-ska is listed at AfD right now. Give an opinion there if the spirit moves you. Thanks again for the guideline links. Have a good Sunday. House of Scandal 13:10, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Dekimasu, my apologies for the error on disambiguating Nomenclature. Thanks for setting me straight about correct procedure for disambiguation, and thanks also for fixing my changes to the disambiguation:Done section. Clicketyclack 12:05, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

No problem, and no harm done. Plus, the links you fixed are still fixed... thanks for your work! Dekimasu 13:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Re : AfD/University of Wisconsin (disambiguation)

I've restored the talkpage of the deleted article and moved back to its parent article, as it was previously moved by you. Does all the current links to University of Wisconsin meant for University of Wisconsin-Madison? If so, then perhaps it may be a good idea to seek help from WP:DPL (or a bot if possible) to cleanup all the links from articles to point to University of Wisconsin-Madison directly. That may be tedious, but that should solve the problem once and for all. - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 15:28, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I came from WP:DPL. That's why my attention was drawn to it in the first place. This is basically a primary use claim on University of Wisconsin - when people link to it, they mean University of Wisconsin-Madison more than 99% of the time, so it should be a redirect. That is simply standard practice. The problem is not only the preexisting links, but the fact that more people link to that page all the time.
As I said, I can't see the "consensus" from the old disambiguation page, but it's become apparent from User talk:Miaers that recreating the disambiguation page at University of Wisconsin does not reflect that consensus. In the light of those facts I see no reason not to add the redirect to the page again, and based on the AfD deletion of the dab page (which still mystifies me) to leave University of Wisconsin-Madison without an otheruses tag this time. Does that seem reasonable to you? Dekimasu 15:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Okay. I realized that now that the talk page is moved back I can see that the reconstitution of the dab page at the current location lacked consensus. I still feel that the dab page should be located at University of Wisconsin (disambiguation) rather than being located nowhere, but that was the result of the vote. For now, I will turn it back into a redirect unless I hear otherwise from the trusted innocent bystander (you). Dekimasu 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
No objections from me here, just that Miaers has reverted you just minutes after. You may want to have a talk with him to have this resolved. - Mailer Diablo 15:57, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I haven't done it yet. I was explaining myself on the talk page first. It would be helpful if you could close the overdue move discussion, as that would present us with a stepping-off point for further discussion (I don't think it should be necessary on the weight of the arguments, but you never know). Dekimasu 15:59, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh, my bad; I thought the timing in the history page was in GMT (a frequent mistake)! I'm not in the position to set decisions in stone for move-related discussions, but from what I read some form of consensus may well been reached already. - Mailer Diablo 16:08, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
The referred to consensus was over a year old, and it's apparent from the vote that that consensus has expired (looks like there was a sockpuppet on the plus side in the debate). Anyway, I can understand why you don't wish to close the debate. Thank you for your input and I hope that things will go smoothly. Dekimasu 16:16, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
Erm... one last thing. The sequence of events has resulted in the loss of the history of the prior University of Wisconsin page (since that was the one that was deleted at University of Wisconsin (disambiguation)). If it would be at all possible to restore that history, it seems like a shame to lose it. It now appears that there was no page named University of Wisconsin until last month. Dekimasu 16:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think we have a cencus on directing University of Wisconsin to UW-Madison. I've provided my comments on the University of Wisconsin talk page. Miaers 18:11, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Are you an administor? It is very unprofessional to move the page without any talk and no consideration of previous discussions. Miaers 01:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I am not an administrator. I am sorry that you were offended by the move of the disambiguation page, but the current discussion on the talk page does tend to support that move. The fact that the disambiguation page was subsequently deleted also lends support to the changes I made. My action was not based on the content of the disambiguation page, or the discussion of its contents, but the technical problems with having it there. In retrospect I'm sorry that I didn't leave an official note, but I explained myself in edit summaries and I expected my action to be uncontroversial. In all honesty, I still think it is uncontroversial. Dekimasu 01:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi - I appreciate your help in dealing with this situation. Unfortunately, Miaers has rarely ever listened to consensus on anything and prefers to argue with other editors. I see your latest comment on the talk-page, but would appreciate you checking back when you return as having an outside editor's opinion is helpful in this type of situation. Cheers, PaddyM 01:44, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll do the best I can. Dekimasu 13:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Deletion review

I have asked for a deletion review of University of Wisconsin (disambiguation), at your suggestion. You might want to participate. --Orange Mike 03:09, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I have left a long comment there and I will vote as soon as it becomes clear that Mailer Diablo has really left the encyclopedia and is unable to perform the undeletion himself, or rather that he is just understandably upset with problems on other pages. Dekimasu 03:45, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
A vote from Miaers there would be extremely helpful in showing that the consensus to delete has changed. Dekimasu 03:49, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

University of Wisconsin redirect

Hi there, I think if you still have further things to talk, it is better for us to do this through our talk pages. Miaers 19:10, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd rather keep the discussion on the redirect's talk page, where it is more likely to stay in the record and be seen by more eyes. I've noticed that you tend to delete sections from your talk page. Dekimasu 13:25, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
I had him "archive" one today about three minutes after I posted the remark! --Orange Mike 18:31, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
There have been a few instances of this at Talk:University of Wisconsin as well. The whole talk page was archived except for one post, and I partially reverted, putting two weeks back on the talk page. I was then partially reverted, putting a week back into the archive. I let that go rather than edit war over it, but I'm hoping that everything that's visible there now will remain visible for a while. Dekimasu 02:05, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Notification of arbitration case

This is to notify you that I am making an arbitration request concernining the University of Wisconsin redirect at [Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration]. Miaers 00:32, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a content dispute (although a long-standing one), and thus the arbitrators are unlikely to take up your request. I suggest you turn to Wikipedia:Requests for comment instead if you want to continue discussing the issue. Dekimasu 03:35, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. I have replied to the request for comment. Dekimasu 04:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Civility

In addition to NPOV, no promoting and no academic boosterism, I think you also need to be civil. You are not supposed to make orders here. Miaers 17:54, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I have not made any orders... I really haven't got any idea as to what you're talking about this time. Maybe you can provide a diff? As I've said many times, I have no connection with the University of Wisconsin, and my reason for supporting the redirect is to conform to the disambiguation guideline. I am not sure why you initiated the request for comment from uninvolved editors if you intended to make a good third of the comments, but I have been civil with you throughout. Please try to be conciliatory rather than confrontational. Dekimasu 23:30, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Of course, I don't like to see suggestions that I am being incivil, but rather than remove this exchange outright, I request that interested outside users view it in the light of its context. Please see Talk:University of Wisconsin#Request for Comment: University of Wisconsin redirect. Dekimasu 04:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Editor previously involved

I think you previously heavily involved in the discussion on University of Wisconsin talk page. Your comments should be at the "Statement of previously involved editors" section not "Comments" section, which is for outside editors who didn't participated in the previous discussions. Miaers 15:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

The point was that it wasn't a statement of any kind. It was a note informing other editors that you had changed the format of the RfC. Given that the response to your refactoring was negative that time, I don't see why you proceeded to refactor the comments critical of the refactoring. It was also the third time you did something like that so far in the RfC, and you did it earlier when we were talking about the history of UW-Milwaukee. If I reply to your comment, and then you change your old comment so that mine doesn't make any sense, please recognize that it's a bad thing. Dekimasu 07:53, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

The comments section for requested comments are for outside editors. If you insist, it is no big deal. Miaers 21:41, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Kadokura Satoshi

I was about three minutes behind you, I guess. But, I'm not convinced that the Japanese article is for the same guy. None of the songs are credited to him as 作詩家, which is what you would expect from a poet. Neier 07:27, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

You have me convinced. I wasn't thinking about it quite that deeply; obviously the current one-liner isn't what we'd want at that title anyway, but maybe an article about the songwriter would stick. Anyway, I found evidence of the existence of the poem and noted it back at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Chikyunoinochi. Not that that the one Ghit of evidence made the poem at all notable. Dekimasu 07:41, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Guess we knew that already, and I should have looked at the English-language searches a little harder. Dekimasu 07:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your assistance at Miriam Shear.

I've not been sure what to do about users blanking the page and whatnot, I've just reiterated Wikipedia policy over and over again. Any help you can offer expanding the article, including keeping it up-to-date and reliably sourced, is appreciated. Italiavivi 03:25, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

TfD nomination of Template:WikiProjectBanners

Template:WikiProjectBanners has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for Deletion page. Thank you. -- Ned Scott 08:01, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification, especially since you may have guessed that I would disagree with you on the topic. Dekimasu 08:45, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: User:Nate3000

No, not offended at all. I was just about to go and give him my reasoning myself when I saw your response, so I figured I'd explain to him why it was removed. ^^; Nique talk 14:08, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

RE Hatano Hiroko

もうかりまっか？？if you have a problem with the images isn't it ethical first to talk to me before going anywhere? I agree that the first photo is the same one in her official site.And I obviously knew it.BUT you also have to understand that,the given site do not have any authority over the photo..Certainly not to my knowledge..In fact photo was given to me by one of my Japanese friends ,and he had no idea about the site !! Remember as a super model, thousands of her photos were taken by various cameramen and many of them are definitely not copyrighted.

And the other two were not copyrighted at all..They were taken by her fans..I will re add the photos and if you can prove that these are actually copy righted, please go ahead with your deletion..if not please let the photos stay,as a super model she deserve to have them in wikipedia.Plus, Japanese people are not big boasters.And to find citation to prove "she is one of the most successful ever" may be hard,as neither she nor anyone say that..But that's a fact.ask any girl in her late 20's or early 30's and hear what she says..She was probably the best known model at her generation,and with 梅宮　アンナ　and RINKA probably the best ever produced by JJ. ほんならまたね　--Iwazaki 15:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

はい、わかった。I didn't delete the images myself; I only listed them for discussion at possibly unfree images as possibly unfree. I suppose by notifying you at the same time as the listings I was shouting across the room to you instead of whispering in your ear, but when there are more eyes on an issue, it is easier to tell whether concerns are well-grounded.
I probably wouldn't have tagged the photos but for the fact that you claimed the ability to release rights on all three, which clearly wasn't the case. I am always happy to have more content added to articles about Japan, and I work on articles about Japan all the time, but we have to follow Wikipedia policies. This means tagging images correctly and trying to source unqualified statements: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is whether material is attributable to a reliable published source, not whether it is true." 怒らないでね。おやすみ。Dekimasu 15:36, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
wikipedia is neither a democracy nor a dictatorship ..I like the term "free" which comes before Wikipedia..So,I preferred talk to people before even thinking about going to those "action" places..I am certainly not mad at you,But I would appreciate it if you could talk to me,before putting me to the swords of all mighty admins ..No hard feelings bro.
The argument for deletion is ,to be honestly, surprisingly weak..I know how wikipedia works but I thought this is a clear cut case..A fan has a photo ,taken by him ,and I just uploaded it..ahh,also you have deleted the link given in the article..I have read the link you gave, but that site doesn't belong to any of these..could you please tell me why it should not be given there??おおきに --Iwazaki 16:50, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
One of the subsections talks about not linking smaller wikis, and another section further down talks about inserting foreign-language links as little as possible. I understand the value of adding her official site, but I don't think I agree with adding unofficial sites in Japanese, especially since there isn't any guarantee that their information are reliable. The one that was listed before also had a copyvio picture (it is noted as coming from the book that is linked on amazon.co.jp). I hope the article will keep getting better... Dekimasu 15:39, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Make Believe

How come everytime I try to do some good on wikipedia. I always get crapped on. It doesn't matter if the songs were not singles. Look at the Beatles albums. Every song that is not a single has it's own page. So I guess you will have to propose those for deletion too. : ( User:wikiwonka12

I think there probably are some Beatles songs that aren't notable enough to have articles, but as a fan of both groups I think it is a little bit overzealous to claim that recent Weezer songs have as much cultural relevance as Beatles songs. If you can show that the songs are notable, of course they can stay. If I can help you with that somehow, just let me know. Also, I noticed the articles in the first place because you linked to "producer", which is a disambiguation page. You may want to link those to "record producer" instead in the future. Dekimasu 15:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
I honestly don't see the point to deleting the song pages. I had suffient information on each song. I think at this point now it is simply a matter of opinion. I think if the song has suffient information then it should stay. I think you should remove the "deletion tag" for now at least. So we can continue to discuss this because I am not on wikipedia all the time. I am not on here often enough to defend my articles. User:wikiwonka12
I don't mean to deprive you of the chance to defend the articles (which are everybody's, actually). But anyway, if I nominate them for deletion at WP:AfD, we should be able to have an unbiased discussion with more members of the community, right? If you can let me know beforehand that you'll be around once in a 5-day period, I'll wait until that period to nominate them. There's no deadline around here and I'm in no rush. I'll take your comments as a sign that I should remove the prod tags, but actually, you can always remove them yourself. Dekimasu 05:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
I've come to believe that rather than nominate the articles for deletion, it may be a better solution to redirect them to the main article. The individual articles have one source, the song-by-song commentary, and I have now added the link to it to the article for the whole album. No one seems to have added more information to any of them in the last several weeks since our discussion. We are all allowed Wikibreaks, but if you don't return at some point, I may (as a preliminary solution) turn the articles in question into redirects. Dekimasu 12:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Aino (disambiguation)

(From User talk:Petri Krohn#Aino)

  1. The MoS says the most common use should be first. Aino (mythology) may be the most common use. Aino (given name), most likely is not, there is not even an article!.
  2. A missing article cannot be first.
  3. Aino (given name) is derived from Aino (mythology).

-- Petri Krohn 13:29, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe you, although it appears to be a common first name given the other links. If you can point me to anything that says a missing article cannot be first, please let me know. I couldn't find it at WP:DAB or WP:MOS-DAB. Thanks for the reply. Dekimasu 13:57, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use

From User talk:Miaers, and copy-pasted here by User:Miaers: I came here to talk about the deletion review of the disambiguation page, but I noticed that you have a fair use image you uploaded on your user page. First, please note that it is never considered acceptable to display fair use images on your user page. I am also certain that this is a replaceable image and doesn't qualify under a fair use claim, but I don't want you to think that I am trying to attack your editing personally. Image:Chapman Hall.jpg should be listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images, but you can remove it from the articles and ask to have it deleted yourself. Please let me know if you have any questions about this. Dekimasu 03:58, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

The image you mentioned in my talk page can't be replaced by any free one. It is a fair use I have already provided the raionale. Miaers 05:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
I didn't like the fair use policy when I first started to deal with it, but it is a policy that we need to abide by for legal purposes. Per Wikipedia:Fair use#Policy, number 9, there is no fair use outside of the article namespace, so you really do have to remove the image from your userpage - there aren't exceptions to the rule. Beyond that, the image is replaceable (please note the "or could be created" phrase in the fair use template). You, or someone else, can go to the building and take a picture of it, upload it, and use it on the pages it currently illustrates. I am tagging it as Template:Fair use replace for now. Dekimasu 05:50, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm not even in Wisconsin. I can't take the picture. More importantly, I don't think anyone can take a picture as beautiful as the one that is being used. Miaers 06:57, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

There is a reasonable expectation that a similar photo could be taken by someone else, and that the resulting photo could then be licensed under the GFDL. Fair use policy does not permit the use of images for purely decorative purposes. In both this case, and at the University of Wisconsin discussion, it seems that you want to argue against applying Wikipedia policies in the cases of specific pages. If you want to change the way Wikipedia works, you should really be attempting to change the policies themselves. I would advise you to go to Wikipedia:Disambiguation page and discuss primary topic distinctions or Wikipedia:Fair use and discuss the problems you have with fair use policy. I don't think you would have a good chance of having the policies and guidelines changed, but using a bottom-up approach to change the application of consensus-based policies and guidelines is even more unlikely to result in a change in the way we organize Wikipedia. I don't like protecting for-profit Wikipedia mirrors from legal liability, but it's what we do. Dekimasu 07:07, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I contacted the author of this photo, Allan Hong. He agreed to let me use this photo in Wikipedia. Could you please let me know what kind of license I should use for this image? Miaers 14:44, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately that sort of agreement isn't allowed for Wikipedia's purposes, because it would prohibit downstream use by the mirrors I mentioned before. The photo is still listed as "all rights reserved" on flickr, so it is unacceptable for Wikipedia use. You can ask him to release his rights to the photo, in which case we could use it and you could have it on your user page too, or else it is still unproperly licensed and an unacceptable fair use violation on your user page. Dekimasu 11:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Image

This is to let you know that there is no free replacement to the two UW-Milwaukee alumni photo I uploaded. There is nothing wrong with this There is no free replacement. There is nothing wrong with this {{promophoto}} tag. Please stop reverting. Miaers 20:23, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Please note that the speedy deletion tag offers {{hangon}} and the talk page as a route to solve problems with speedy deletions, but mentions in bold text: "do not remove this notice from pages that you have created yourself". Please go to the talk pages of the images in question rather than adding fair use tags again. The fair use tag notes that it is generally not to be used for photos of living people, because there is a reasonable expectation that free images of the subjects can be obtained. I am not confident in your assertion that there is no possibility of obtaining free images, considering that you previously listed the copyrighted images as GFDL. Dekimasuよ! 20:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I usually put hostile remarks in archives. I didn't erase your message on my talk page. By the way, please stop removing the new license I put on these images. Miaers 20:29, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
I don't know what you considered hostile; however, what I said was, "Uploader has been notified and has archived the message pertaining to this photo." I didn't say you erased my message. It was a note to administrators looking at the speedy, because they are instructed to check whether or not the uploader has been notified of the tag and copyright policy. Dekimasuよ! 20:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry.

I have no apologies or retractions to issue with regard to those who have been attacking Miriam Shear and Talk:Miriam Shear whatsoever. User:Yisraelasper ought have been banned the second he engaged in repeat vandalism, including more advanced tactics like page-moving. Italiavivi 14:32, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Please remember that blocks on Wikipedia are preventative, not punitive. We could have reported the vandalism on WP:AIV at the time it occurred, and it's likely that the user would have been blocked. However, there is no sense in which a block is necessary at this point. It would be much better to defuse the situation than to perpetuate it. I'll leave up User:Yisraelasper's reply because that's definitely preferrable to starting an edit war on a talk page. I hope this will be the end of the matter, although not quite on the terms I desired. Dekimasu 12:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
Clarification from Dekimasu: This is aimed at User:Italiavivi, not at me:
So you take upon yourself to pick sides for Wikipedia. You sir are a vandal who had been warned about doing such partisan stunts before with other matters and accordingly threatened with banning. Since you refuse to drop your last slanderous nonsense as requested then I will put back my reply. yisraelasper
Further according to you then not taking sides means attacking Miriam Shear. Both supporting or attacking is partisan. If anyone should be banned it should be you for trying to terrorize other users. If you drop your last paragraph I will drop mine that I reposted. yisraelasper
I hope this will represent the end of the discussion. It is really not helpful for anyone's purposes to be intransigent in these matters. Dekimasu 11:44, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

User Adoption

I found your name on the list of users wishing to adopt other users and wondered how one would go about being adopted. Thanks for your time. Rurouniyuudai85 18:45, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

The basic way to go about being adopted is to add the text {{Adoptme}} to your user page. Many adopters are very eager and look through that list on a regular basis; they can offer you adoption by changing the {{Adoptme}} to {{Adoptoffer}} and letting you know on your talk page.
I don't look through the list often myself, but I'm on Wikipedia daily. If you think our interests are similar (based on my user page, or maybe my contributions), I'm certainly free enough to help you get used to the workings of the site. If you'd rather find another adopter, you can still feel free to ask me questions anytime. Hope this helps. Dekimasu 13:21, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Our interests do seem similiar, I'm very interested in many things Japanese. I'm actually about to join the navy as a translator, hopefully the language they'll assign me will be Japanese (but if not that's ok, I plan on majoring in Asian Studies in school anyways). But if you'd like to adopt me that'd be pretty cool. Rurouniyuudai85 17:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
Then I'm willing to help you out. You can change the {{Adoptme}} to {{Adoptee|Dekimasu}} on your userpage if you'd like. To start out, if you let me know a few articles in particular that you'd like to help out on, I'll take a look at them and make some suggestions about what you might like to do. Also, please let me know if I'm going too fast or too slow in showing you the ropes. Happy to work with you... Dekimasu 13:22, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Awesome, thanks a lot. The first page I really want to work on is the Armored Core 4 article. I think that a seperate article should be made for the characters, corporations, and their respective starting ACs. (One article for those as opposed to including them in the main one.) Rurouniyuudai85 15:16, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
Sorry about the extra brackets. I'll read through the article the first time I'm online tomorrow and let you know what I think (it's after midnight here, so I'd better get some rest before work). Dekimasu 15:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
It's all good, I understand. Rurouniyuudai85 15:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
I'd also like to do what I can to solve the disputes over the article on Sparta, currently it's a mess. >< Rurouniyuudai85 16:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I'll take a look at this soon, too. Dekimasu 03:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
I've started to look through Armored Core 4 for you. Writing a new article is a big project, but if you're up for it, here's my advice.
I have some worries that an article on the characters and organizations would be susceptible to deletion, since some editors are likely to challenge the notability of the subject matter (you can see evidence of this in deletion debates like this one that was deleted; this one that was deleted; this one that ended without consensus; this one that was kept). It will have a much better chance (I can't emphasize this enough) if you can find reliable sources that talk about the characters or plot of the game. If it's constituted as a list (e.g. as "List of Armored Core 4 characters") it has a chance of becoming an established article. I think it would also benefit from being about characters in all of the games from the series, rather than one (i.e. "List of Armored Core characters").
You might want to structure your article like one that is recognized for its high quality. An example is List of Metal Gear Solid characters, which is a featured list. More on organization: since you want to talk about both characters and corporations, you can use the corporations as sections, summarize the role of the corporation in the introduction to that section, and put the characters into their respective corporations. You can also find some active support at Wikipedia:WikiProject Video games.
A last piece of advice is that instead of creating the article and then writing it in pieces, you'll want to put quite a bit of it together first. You can do this in an out-of-the-way place like User:Rurouniyuudai85/Sandbox, and ask for advice along the way. Dekimasu 03:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. I'll work on it tonight (I'm at work right now, heh.) Rurouniyuudai85 14:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
Time for bed again. Good luck searching for sources. Dekimasu 14:35, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ad suggestion

From User talk:Qxz, and copy-pasted here by User:Qxz: How about an ad related to Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links? It's been hit kind of hard lately (see the link numbers at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages maintenance) and would have the sort of widespread appeal you seem to be looking for. I love the ads, by the way... especially the one on edit summaries. Dekimasu 13:05, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your suggestion. I'll see what I can do – Qxz 13:06, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links
How's this? I've added it to the selection – Qxz 13:29, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Great! Thanks. I'm really impressed. Dekimasu 13:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

MY GOD WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?

Psyche.

Thank you very much, I like it. One suggestion is that it could probably stand to lose the notice image on the left since it's just taking up space and the notice is long enough that the image is obscured. But overall that's an excellent idea. --tjstrf talk 06:19, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

About Kentaro Noda

Kentaro's history is here.

--125.172.137.254 16:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The sources in foreign languages may be good, but they aren't in foreign languages that I can read well, so I'll have to leave them to another editor. Thanks for cross-posting at Talk:Kentaro Noda. As for his own site, I'm not convinced that it represents a reliable source. It certainly hasn't been reviewed or copyedited, or seen any third-party eyes. The problems this page is having on the Japanese Wiki are giving me qualms about developing it further through translation, as I think I said on the talk page. Dekimasu 08:51, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Third-party's writing is here.

--125.172.137.254 17:26, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

User:Tzfootball

Thanks, the user is now blocked. (You might have received a faster response at administrators' intervention page, because I was busy editing a different article at the time.) - Mike Rosoft 09:15, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for the assistance. I'm aware of AIV, but I knew that you were online and had knowledge of the situation, so I thought that might be simpler. Of course I'll keep AIV in mind. Dekimasu 09:19, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your support in my recent RfA. I'm honored that you consider me one of your favorite editors. Here's hoping I can do some good with the new tools. Shimeru 15:34, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Aki Hoshino Page

I don't know how do you get the information saying that she was born at 1977 instead of 1978. As far as all the DVD's and related materials I have, they concerned me that she is a product of 1978. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorto (talk • contribs) 08:14, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

She used to say that she was born in 1978, but then admitted that she was born in 1977. This month there was a television special about her 30th birthday. Here's an example source for that television show referencing her age (can you read Japanese?). You can also take a look at the Japanese Wikipedia, which explains「以前まで『1978年生まれ』と1歳サバを読んでいたが、2006年から『1977年生まれ』と公式プロフィールなどに掲載されている。」 I'll copy this note to Talk:Aki Hoshino and change the age back. I hope you aren't too disappointed. (^_-) Dekimasu 08:26, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

You are damn right. I know that she celebrates her 30th birthday this year, however I still stick with the materials from her DVD....... I am disappointed about admitting both facts. She is 30 and born in 1978, that doesn't make sense. Thanks for correcting me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Scorto (talk • contribs) 19:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC).

Kansai-ben Userbox?

I noticed that in your userboxes, you had (what appears to be) a homemade "Osaka-ben" language box. I'd actually be interested in having something for Kansai-ben on my own user page, and I thought that perhaps it might be worthwhile to create an actual set of usable Kansai-ben templates. There is no listing as-of-yet at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Non-ISO_Languages, but I don't think it'd be that hard to create such. If anything, the tricky part would be putting the message in-dialect and making it sound natural... --Julian Grybowski 13:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, this was months ago. It took me a while, but I located my source for the text. It's at this page on JA. There are listings for several distinct kinds of Kansai-ben, but there's no listing for Kansai-ben as a whole. We could probably get an interesting set by mixing and matching (e.g. Kobe-2 is much more interesting than Osaka-2, and sounds like an Osaka teen: この利用者は神戸弁をばり喋んねん; fluent Osaka-ben is nice: この利用者、コテコテの大阪弁、母語にしとんねん; and I like Wakayama-1: この利用者はちぃとは和歌山弁を喋れるんよ). The 江州弁 set is fairly good too.
Writing them from scratch would be ideal, though. If a few of us can agree on some text for the boxes, it would always be possible for someone who comes after us to clean up the mess. I'll ask User:MightyAtom and User:Tigers boy for their input, since they pop to mind as users I see working on Kansai-related articles. And User:BradBeattie created the box for people living in Osaka, so I'll ask him too. Dekimasu 18:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

D, enjoy!

Trampton has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

Trampton 15:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

Thank you. Dekimasu 19:18, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Bleach references problem

Please see Talk:Bleach (manga)#References formatting problems. I'd never paid attention to that part of the box before, but on reading it I've noticed that your proposed format for the manga citations cannot give us consistent and accurate page citations throughout our articles. --tjstrf talk 01:31, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't a format that I proposed, although I adjusted it slightly. I have responded to your questions on the talk page there. It would be great if we could get correct referencing for the citations we already have. The problem is that if we cite a manga volume, we have to cite the page number in that volume, not in the chapter. Dekimasu 01:48, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
A wholly perfect solution would incorporate both volume and chapter page citations, allowing lookup from either the tankobon or the magazine/scans. And you're welcome. I've been trying to give the most precise citations I can for each bit of information, which has basically meant rereading the series from chapter one. The really difficult bit will be that someone has to cite the Bount arc information, which means hours of rewatching filler. I'm hoping I can skip out on that particular task. --tjstrf talk 02:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Editing my own page

About the changing of Japan. I do not approve of people editing my own page. As it makes my head mad and I nearly have a fit. But I don't mind people correcting me. Thanks for that. JoshuaMD 15:40 26th March 2007 (GMT)

This looks to have been several months ago. Sorry to have caused a problem. People do not usually mind link repair because it doesn't change the appearance of anything on the page. Of course I don't edit grammar, etc. on user pages, but if I can see where a link is supposed to go, I may point it there as a courtesy. Some users put notes on their user pages that indicate they would rather not have them edited. Dekimasu 14:52, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

WP:PROD

I almost can't believe how far I'm going for such an insignificant article. Anyway, maybe, and just maybe, you want to read (and then feel remorse for doing it) my answer to your prod. Also, I'm still trying to understand what's that WP:SNOW you dislike. :o

Just a side note, I've noticed you must like Bleach... If, by any chance, you are not an anime fan, and you also hated basically all the Bount Arc, you should try Full Metal Alchemist and / or The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya. I envy you so much you're both learning japanese and living there. --Caue (T | C) 02:48, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Thank you for your well-thought-out response. I tried to write one to you as well, but it was eaten by my browser, so here's an imperfect rehash of what I tried to write.
Unfortunately (or fortunately?) my post to your talk page was mostly the result of Template:PRODWarning, rather than my own words. The project that might be interested in a transwiki is Wiktionary, but we wouldn't then leave a redirect to another website.
I'm willing to discuss PROD philosphy with you if you'd like. You asked me to consider improving the article instead; of course, I do add information to lots of articles. I proposed doki doki for deletion because I don't think that the topic has the breadth to develop into a viable article. I doubt that encyclopedic information could be added as to its significance, although it is an interesting word. Deleting articles of the kinds referred to in WP:NOT helps Wikipedia to maintain and improve its reputation (not really an issue here) and stops it from taking over the realms of other sites like Wiktionary and Wikitravel.
Hmm. I've tried to think of things that might make you feel a little better about this. How about a redirect to Japanese sound symbolism (i.e. gitaigo and giseigo), and adding dokidoki to the list of examples? With the breadth of gitaigo that's out there, I don't feel it's really necessary to have both kirakira and giragira in the box, so it could easily replace one of those. Dekimasu 05:07, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
Having posted this, I can see it looks a lot more blunt than what I meant to write. Believe me that I'm sorry, and be thankful you don't have to use evil Japanese web browsers that eat your well-intentioned posts. By the way, I did hate the Bount arc, but I read the comics much more than I watch the anime. Manga is really good reading practice because the pictures give you cues if you forget a kanji. I hope you'll have a chance to try and learn Japanese. Dekimasu 05:12, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I hate when that happens, those damn starving browsers... On firefox I've even had a plugin where I could save a temporary file with a shortcut, just like I would do in a normal notepad, back when I used to use non-gmail browser text forms a lot. Maybe you should look into that kind of thing, since you do so many edits around here. It shouldn't be hard to find.

Anyway, yeah, redirecting to a "grouping" article sounds good. I'll take a look on it whenever I have the time. Maybe improving that japanese sound symbolism, maybe using another more relevant with the same grouping idea in mind, or maybe just moving it there as it is. Hopefully before those 4 days left.

I realised that it was a template just before I've answered it, but I don't like editing what I write too much. Specially not deleting (or losing). I choose pen over pencil. :P One reason I love wikipedia so much is not just the fact you can correct and clean up messed things, but you can also look at the mess (through history) and learn a lot from so many mistakes. I wouldn't mind any deletion at all if the article history was saved, i.e. basically setting a page to blank. It'd be just like deletion is really done on old disk partition techniques (which are the same used in domestic computers today), by the way.

About manga, I've never thought about it like that, although I used to read translated Ranma 1/2. I thought you'd say "I read manga because the story is better there", which is true most of the time, just like books are mostly better than movies. But I still prefer watching an animated story than reading it, for many reasons. Maybe I can catch the spoken language, just like I did with english... And maybe I can eventually learn the writing from games, closed captions and internet, again as I did with english. :o But I think that learning japanese would take me way more time than it already took me with english.

And don't worry, you don't look blunt to me. Specially after I realized how different PROD is from AfD. Plus, I still would like to discuss over all the fuss around deletion with ya.

--Caue (T | C) 18:14, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Just to get back to you quickly: since the prod is expiring, I'm going to perform the redirect now and I'll change a few things on Japanese sound symbolism later. The history will stay around with the redirect in place. I'll try to reply to you in more detail later on. Thanks for the kind reply. Dekimasu 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

dekimasu

Hmm, I knew I've heard dekimasu somewhere before... It was from that (any) little j-girl joyfully screaming when she finished something. And now I wonder why you chose that codename! :P --Caue (T | C) 19:05, Thursday 2007-03-29 (UTC)

Disambiguation - Primary topic

At Talk:State university (disambiguation)#Survey - in opposition to the move you say I know we've had this discussion before. Did you have any particular discussion(s) in mind? Which? Andrewa 00:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Last month you asked me to consider reigonal bias in terms of universities and naming at Talk:University of Wisconsin, and we also discussed whether frequency of searches, or all searches, should be considered in page naming. I came upon the proposed move you mention here through Wikipedia:Requested moves. Knowing that you have previously expressed similar opposition to applying the guideline to universities, I thought it would be reasonable to ask you to move towards a broader discussion of the standard. Dekimasu 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
OK, so that's Talk:University of Wisconsin#NPOV, around about March 9? Agree clarification seems necessary, and I've started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Primary topic.
It's actually a guideline rather than a standard. That's important I think. Andrewa 20:45, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, that is the discussion I was talking about. Of course we can violate guidelines when there is sufficient reason to do so, but in this case I believe we would see a move request in the opposite direction within a short period of time. By "standard" I meant "the criteria that cause something to fall under the scope of the guideline". Dekimasu 03:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Utada

Replied. - Neier 07:20, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the note... thought my message might have gotten lost in the archiving. I've replied to your reply. Dekimasu 07:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Aha: "(removing sentence fragment that appears to have been added in error)". Thanks for fixing that. It's the text of my edit summary, and I must have dropped it carelessly into the article also. – Noetica♬♩ Talk 08:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

No problem. Dekimasu 11:31, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

By Japan

Note from Dekimasu: This was my original message to User:Radiant!, brought over here so that the discussion causing the nomination will be in one place: You recently closed a discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 March 27#Category:Singaporean executions that resulted in the move of Category:Japanese executions to Category:People executed by Japan. I don't dispute the close or the applicability of the debate to Singapore, but a lot of the people in the category about Japan were executed "in Japan" (by warring factions) rather than "by Japan", as an action of the Japanese government. I was considering initiating another move request, but I thought I would ask for your thoughts first. Dekimasu 06:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Hm, that's an interesting complication that I was unaware of. But wouldn't "executions in Japan" also include people executed by, say, China or the US, as long as the execution took place in Japan? >Radiant< 09:41, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it would broaden the category slightly over the previous meaning (I believe the only new additions would be Japanese war criminals from World War II). I thought that would be preferable to a name change that excluded articles from the category they were in before the move, particularly since the scope of the original title wasn't what was in question.
The current name has broadened the reach of the category in some ways as well. It appears that it should include executions outside of Japan but under the direction of the Japanese government, such as executions in Korea between 1910 and 1945, conflicts in Manchukuo, etc. Dekimasu 11:30, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Well, I have no objection to such broadening per se, but my point is that if there is a bunch of similar cats ("executions in <foo>") then they should all work the same way, otherwise it gets confusing to both users and editors. >Radiant< 11:49, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I understand that. In that case, I'd suggest that it would be better to slightly broaden all of these categories in the same way, rather than have some articles in incorrect categories as the result of the moves. I can, if we decide to keep the "by Japan" name, go through and remove all of the ones that no longer belong in the category. It seems like a shame and a pain, since the current members of the category are unqualifiably "executions in Japan", but I can do it. On the other hand, I don't know how many other categories have had similar shifts resulting in articles placed in the wrong categories, and I'd be less qualified and somewhat less willing to deal with those problems. Dekimasu 11:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
That sounds good, but may require a new rename suggestion on CFD (esp. since the previous CFD didn't really have all that many participants). Note that the actual related CFD was closed by Vegaswikian, not me. >Radiant< 12:16, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying that for me. The population of the new category was being done by a bot, and it only referred me to the log for March 27. I assumed that the move was a result of the close on Category:Singaporean executions, since that was the one I noticed at the very top of the page. I'll mention the issue to Vegaswikian and probably open a new discussion. Dekimasu 12:23, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
I was asked to stop by since I did the close. I'll follow the discussion here for a few days, so no need to reply on my page. Maybe the solution is to add some categories that are not just by country. In the case of Japan, we could add a category for the waring factions. That way it would still be executions by someone. I have problems with this suggestion for other reasons, but maybe it could help with finding a solution. Vegaswikian 16:34, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
Under the current title, at least eight of the fifteen pages in this category need to be pulled out. As I said, I can do the work in this particular category, which would include recategorization. I'd like to hear a little more about what you see as problems with the suggestion, though, because other categories from the move may be in the same condition. Dekimasu 17:02, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
My concern was with the types of categories that would be created and where they should go. However after looking at Category:Executed people I see that my concerns are not real. There are logical groupings there. I don't see any reason why adding your cleanup as additional sub categories would be an issue. Vegaswikian 19:57, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
If you look at Category:Executions by country, two of the categories do fit the "in <foo>" setup (Singapore and the United States). Executions by the warring factions in Japan are not subcategories of the current Category:People executed by Japan, which prevents any of those executed people from being categorized "by country". However, other editors have pulled four articles out of the Japan category since last night, so I'll pull out the rest and then let it go. I hope that editors are looking at the other renames for similar issues. If you decide to change your mind, please let me know. Dekimasu 04:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Language ordering

Please note that the bot's language ordering in Bleach (manga) is actually widely accepted and also used by most other bots. There was a straw poll about it a while ago and the result was about 50/50. Basically the bot ordered the languages by their native name, which is easier to navigate for reader (and harder for editors, but you learn after a while). Some notable languages which are not as their appear are Hebrew (Ivrit), Japanese (Nihongo), Chinese (Zhongwen), Korean (Hangugeo) and Finnish (Suomi). -- Ynhockey (Talk) 08:51, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information and for reverting my error. I was very confused, and now it's all perfectly clear to me. Dekimasu 09:13, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Haw!

Belated kudos for your very funny WP:POINT comment at Wikipedia:Article Creation and Improvement Drive/Removed/Archive2#Godwin's Law. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 14:17, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Gypsy

Answered on my page. Cheers. MadMaxDog 04:44, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Mongrain - モングレイン ??

[French]
Bonjour, je prend contact avec vous afin d'éclaicir un article de traduction en japonnais. Au départ, j'avais créé un article avec les caractère エリック・モングレン, mais les wikipédiens on décidés que cela devait s'écrire エリック・モングレイン à la place, étant donnée que Erik n'avait pas de site officiel en japonnais pour déterminer quelle façon écrire son nom. Je suis Webmaster de Erik Mongrain, pour faire les pages en japonnais, le traducteur a épellé Erik Mongrain エリック・モングレン. Le problème que je rencontre c'est qu'il y a deux façon d'écrire son nom en japonnais et je me demandais quel était le bon pour que je puisse écrire son site officiel de la bonne façon (et l'article wikipedia)...

Ma question est : lequel parmi ces deux appellations vous choisieriez pour le nom officiel de Erik Mongrain en japonnais??

Merci à l'avance pour votre aide. Passez une bonne journée! --Antaya 00:56, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

First, I'm sorry that I can't answer in French. In advertising for his appearance on Japanese TV next month, NHK has decided to spell his name as モングレイン. This is probably a transliteration based on the English language pronounciation of the word "grain". Because NHK is generally considered a reliable source, I am not surprised that the Japanese page is in the process of being moved. However, the station is wrong in this case. The name should be spelled モングレン as transliterated from the French pronunciation, and I recommend that you use モングレン for your website.
Next, please take a look at Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. I believe, personally, that these articles should be in the encyclopedia, but please be very careful when editing articles related to people you work with. If the article appears to promote or advertise Erik Mongrain, it can cause trouble for your editor account or the article itself.
I hope that these comments will help you. Please feel free to ask me if you have any other problems. Dekimasu 04:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Re: Macronned article titles

Ah, thanks for reminding me; I suppose I missed that. I created a redirect for the name, and will be more carefull in the future.--十八 04:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

I think I created the one I was asking about, but maybe you found others? Anyway, you're welcome. Dekimasu 04:55, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Counter-insurgency spelling

I agree with the conclusions, because of the "first major contributor" rule. However, the stub Counterinsurgency operations predated Counter-insurgency and was eventually merged into it. Does it make sense to have a rule like this? I mean, once the first person has chosen the spelling of counterinsurgency, wouldn't it make sense for everybody to follow that lead rather than discount it because it appeared in a stub? Of course, what I am advocating would involve rewriting the relevant guideline. Joeldl 04:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe the "we came first" rule should only be applied as a last resort – for example, when the page been the subject of recent move warring. I do believe that the letter of the rule should prefer the counterinsurgency title (it did come first, which is objective, as opposed to trying to determine the first "major" contribution), and I'll make comments to that effect in any discussion about altering the guideline. But I really feel that the most important thing is to discourage this kind of move request. Analagous to how blocks should be preventative rather than punitive, this page has a stable British-English title now, so it shouldn't be necessary for us to check on the page's origins. Thanks for asking my opinion! Let me know if you raise a discussion elsewhere and you'd like me to participate. Dekimasu 04:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I agree that the "stable state" rule is important. On the other hand, somebody tried to change it to Counterinsurgency not long after it was created and was rebuffed. At some point in future, I'd like to clarify some things in WP:ENGVAR, and this would be a possible amendment. I'll let you know. Joeldl 04:29, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Help needed from a Japanese speaker

Hi Dekimasu, I've noticed your work at WP:RM and elsewhere, and I would like to ask for your help. Recently, User:Mackan filed a sockpuppet case at WP:SSP relating to edit warring going on at Joji Obara, Lucie Blackman, Asahi Shimbun and elsewhere. Basically, Mackan alleges that the 2ch forums are being used to recruit new users to edit those pages to reflect a certain viewpoint; if true, this would be a violation of Wikipedia's policies against sockpuppets, specifically WP:MEAT. Mackan has provided evidence of this at Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Vml132f and on my talk page at User talk:Akhilleus#Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets.2FVml132f. Unfortunately, I can't read a single character of Japanese, so I am unable to evaluate these charges fully. I would be extremely grateful if you could either take a look at Mackan's allegations and take a look at the forums he links to, to provide a perspective independent of the dispute, or put me in touch with an administrator who is fluent in Japanese. Thanks very much, and sorry to bother you. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:46, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

This is a week of holidays in Japan, so until Monday I don't have as much time to review the diffs on the Wikipedia side as I normally would, but it's abundantly clear from its first 75 posts that the purpose of the referenced 2channel thread is to encourage meatpuppetry. The OP states that the English Wikipedia is an important site around the world and that it's important to control the contents in order to fight "Korean and Chinese propaganda". There is in-depth discussion of how to avoid being blocked under the 3RR, which articles to target, and recommendations for avoiding detection as a meatpuppet.
The only administrator I know of who is listed as ja-N is User:Tangotango, and a lot of the other active editors of Japan-related articles are a bit more on the academic side and probably wouldn't be open to running through abuse reports. I think User:Nihonjoe would be able to help you, and of course I can do more next week. Don't hesitate to ask... Dekimasu 05:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Dekimasu, that was extremely helpful, thank you. I hope you enjoy Golden Week, and if you have a chance to look at the on-wiki side of this disruption, I'd appreciate it--but it doesn't look urgent at the moment; some articles have been protected, and a couple of probable sock/meatpuppets have been blocked. So things seem calm at the moment. Thanks again for your help. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dekimasu, thanks a bunch for looking into this. If possible, I'd much appreciate if you could, ASAP, save the 2channel thread onto your hard drive, as the thread will become unaccessible when it reaches a 1000 comments (it's currently on 975). I've saved it onto mine but I'm afraid I could be accused of tampering with the files, if it's only me. Again, thanks a lot. Mackan 08:57, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Too late... I did look at it at the time you sent me this message, but not on my computer, so I didn't have a chance to save it. If you can e-mail me the file, at a later date I can (by and large) confirm that it's what I read on 2channel. Dekimasu 15:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Emergency

Hi there. I know you have shown an interest in the debate as to whether Emergency should be an article or a dab page. I have now created an article which I believe would be suitable for the 'Emergency' page, with everything else to be moved out to a separate disambiguation page. My suggested article is here (in my name space), and the debate as to whether this will be suitable is on the Talk:emergency page. I would appreciate you input! Owain.davies 07:18, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

RfA

I see I'm not the only one who's been holding off on a nomination until Bleach made GA. (I personally don't want to run until after I graduate, which is in less than 3 weeks.)

You belittle your own work there, by the way. I may be good at figuring out how to fulfill arbitrary criteria and referencing things to death, but you're honestly a much better writer. Without your help, we'd still be languishing at B if for no other reason than that everything will be put in the passive voice by me.

Have fun with your new wikipe-mop! :) --tjstrf talk 08:22, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind comments. Actually, how the two coincided was just serendipitous... I wrote my basic request and saved it to a flash drive about two weeks ago, but then I left the flash drive in my desk at work while I was off for Golden Week. I transcluded my RfA on Monday, just after retrieving the drive. I know I'm about to enter a more intense period of hunting for a job, so I figured that this was the best time to get this done, not to mention some good interview practice. Dekimasu 15:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Good luck with it, mate. I'm not sure I'd want to stand these days; back in my day the inquisition was tedious enough, but now on average it seems to be worse. Here's a word of advice for it. I'm appalled by the way nominees and self-noms sometimes rather desperately respond to comments, to the point where any failure to respond or delay in responding looks like an admission, "Yes, you're right, you've got me by the short and curlies." At the outset of my own RfA rigmarole, I politely -- I think and hope it was polite, and nobody objected -- said that I'd try to answer any question but that I wouldn't respond to any other comment. And that's just what I did: I might have been tempted to say "Wrongo!" once or twice (I don't remember) but if so I resisted the temptation. It all went pretty smoothly for a week or whatever and I actually had time to live a normal life during that period. -- Hoary 09:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
I've decided (though I didn't say anything on the RfA page) that I'll reply to questions once a day. For fun, I've been reading through the RfAs of several of the Japan-focused admins, and I see your unanimous promotion, Shimeru's, LordAmeth's, Tangotango's. Nihonjoe passed with two opposes, mostly because of his signature. Did I miss someone obvious? Anyway, it's clear I have a reputation to uphold. Thanks for the advice... 無事に済むように頑張ります。 Dekimasu 15:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

National varieties of English

I have made a proposal to amend the guidelines at WP:MOS. The proposal is in keeping with the spirit of those guidelines, but will hopefully lead to a technical improvement. Comment is welcome at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style. Joeldl 14:16, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Noted! I'll take a look at it in the morning. Dekimasu 15:28, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Missing something?

Template:Active Wiki Fixup Projects, one of us is missing something not sure who, probably me. As I read Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers) and readers' date preferences it tells me that linked dates should display in the readers preference. The default value in preferences is no preference, so when you use the format YYYY-MM-DD it displays in that format for anyone who has not set their preferences which would also include anyone not logged in. Due to cross ocean habits 2007-05-08 could also be read as 2007-08-05, when you include a named month it eliminates the ambiguity, 2007 May 08 is clearly the same as May 08, 2007. I should have not removed the wiki links when I changed the format. I think that would have met both of our concerns, but when I changed the format the links where red, so for some reason I removed the brackets. Unless you have other concerns I will redo them tomorrow. Jeepday (talk) 04:17, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand where you're coming from now (though I'm not sure which ocean I'm across!). I doubt there are many IP users around the parts of the encyclopedia that use this template, but it may very well be common to leave out a date preference. I think that using your format makes sense, as long as the dates remain linked for users who do have personalized settings. Thanks for your message. Dekimasu 16:55, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
Ok, I put the change in. I am set to no preference so let me know if it looks weird or something. Jeepday (talk) 02:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I took out the zeroes, per my edit summary, but other than that it should be fine. Dekimasu 03:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi. The instructions for Template:Active Wiki Fixup Projects state, with good reason, Note: If adding or relisting an item, please add it to the *top* of the list,. I'd be interested in knowing why in this edit you decided to move geotagging to the bottom of the list. Please let me know. --Tagishsimon (talk)

I think I had intended to group together the entries that were category-based (because there isn't really a certain time when the categories are updated), but then I got sidetracked by issues with the dates. I have no problem with the move back to the top, although it still makes sense to me to group the categories together, since their entries on the template will never really be updated. Dekimasu 00:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I think you are both right. As time passes, things fall off (or an editor takes them off) and new stuff is added, it will migrate to the top of the "Category, Live up" group. Other new or updated stuff will be above it. in the mean time it gets top billing for a while. P.S. I am going to copy this whole section to Template talk:Active Wiki Fixup Projects Jeepday (talk) 12:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Contesting the Call For Help move

Hi there. My uncontroversial request for a move for Call for Help (TV series) is totally uncontroversial. I'm just trying to clean things up, and furthermore, the double redirects are in preparation for the move, not the other way around. It appears that you are just griefing me, as this is the second time you've pulled a simple move requests of mine. Is that true? I made a solid case as to why this should be uncontroversial, can you expand on what your objections are? Do I need the original objector to take his/her statement back? —Wikibarista 05:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I don't have any motivation to cause you trouble, and I'm sorry if it appears that way. I don't know what previous request of yours I objected to, but I go through the WP:RM move requests on a daily basis, so please don't take it personally. I remembered that the request was listed as controversial in the past, so I searched for and found the objection; having been objected to before, I don't think the change can be considered uncontroversial now. It doesn't necessarily mean that the request won't be fulfilled. The next step is to create a discussion space on the article's talk page and list it under "other proposals". Stemonitis, who previously objected, is a very reasonable person, and probably the administrator who will move the page if it appears there's a consensus. You don't need to worry about trying to change his mind. Dekimasu 05:45, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I see that the old one was related to Trillian, but I withdrew that objection of my own accord upon clarification. Please don't fault me for that. Dekimasu 05:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

AT&T Mobility issue

When Cingular Wireless was legally renamed AT&T Mobility in January, a user moved the page to "AT&T Mobility". Since Wikipedia rules generally stated (according to the talk page) that when things are known as one thing, the page should be the generally known name, even if the legal name differs. As a result, the discussion ended and everyone seemed happy for a month. Then, AT&T started dropping the "Cingular is now the new AT&T" logo from its advertising in newspapers, simply using "AT&T", and a user chose to move the page to AT&T WirelessLLC, then AT&T Wireless LLC. This raised a red flag with me, at which I then requested the page be moved to its correct place, AT&T Mobility, which is currently a redirect page created when Cingular was legally renamed. In the course of the 4 days since I requested the move, a user decided to move the page to another inappropriate titie, AT&T Mobility L.LC and then AT&T Mobility L.L.C., its current place. As I requested before, and you commented on, the page should be at AT&T Mobility, since most company articles here use the title the company is commonly known as, not including "Inc." or "LLC", etc.; in this case, "AT&T Mobility". KansasCity 20:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

I've left my input. I think the other issues I mentioned at WP:RM have mostly been straightened out. Dekimasu 01:09, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

"King Caesar" vs. "King Seesar" vs. "King Shisa"

Please see my recent comment in WP:RM.... procedure has not been followed here. Also User:Naruto134 and User:K00bine seem to be largely collaborating in the move-warring, in many Godzilla-related articles: an RFCU is in order if the decision is close. I think a lot of trouble can be spared if Naruto134 / K00bine can produce some kind of a source, but unfortunately they have refused and have resorted to personal attacks.

In any case, "King Seesar" seems to be a more acceptable alternative than "King Caesar", because it's also rumoured to be trademarked by Toho, and especially because it romanizes into the Japanese name "キングシーサー".--Endroit 19:32, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

If I was going to guess (I haven't searched through the diffs at RM for this one), I would say that the April proposal was probably moved to the incomplete section for lacking a place for discussion on the talk page, and subsequently fell off the list. At any rate, WP:MOS-JP tells us to use the English spellings instead of katakana transliterations when they're available, so Caesar seems reasonable to me. I think it's probably wrong in a certain sense, but if it's Toho turning the thing into Caesar, and "Caesar" is the common name for the thing in the English-speaking world, I don't think it's our place to correct them. The information you pulled up wasn't very clear on whether both are trademarked or not.
This is clearly a case in which I'm disagreeing with WPJ regulars whose opinions I usually agree with, but I doubt (in light of the attitude issues) that the users you're worried about are going to be taken very seriously in the close. Is there something you'd like me personally to do? Dekimasu 01:04, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I started out writing my message above thinking that you were an admin. (Sorry, I believe I got you confused with User:Deskana). You've got enough class to be an admin though. You can ignore my message, I just wanted to explain where I was coming from, and the outcome of the WP:RM is not really that important to me... thanks! I'll see you around in the WP:J pages.--Endroit 01:23, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I will (possibly, probably) become an admin today... but I don't think it would be appropriate for me to close the discussion, since I've already become involved in it. And thanks for the kind words! Dekimasu 01:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Enfield

Can you explain how you arrived at your views on the "primary" Enfield and why you think structuring a disambiguation page by "prevalence" is preferable (in terms of clarity for the reader) to alphabetical order? We don't start our telephone directories with the "Smiths" because they are the most common. There would lie chaos! (Sarah777 23:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC))

Wikipedia:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages)#Order of entries asks us to "in most cases, place the items in order of usage, with the most-used meanings appearing at the top and less common meanings below." It isn't correct procedure to redirect Enfield to Enfield (disambiguation); either the disambiguation page should be at Enfield, or that name should redirect to the primary use of the term. The Enfield in London has over 280,000 people, which is by far the largest of all the Enfields, and almost all of the Wikilinks to the page are meant to link to it. This is grounds for a Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Primary topic link to the London location from Enfield - otherwise, editors have to go through and fix all the links to "Enfield", one by one. The “Enfield” redirects here. For other uses, see Enfield (disambiguation) text at the top of Enfield Town takes care of any problems with that setup. This was recently addressed, as well, at Wikipedia:Requested moves: see this edit. Does this address your concerns? Dekimasu 00:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Not really. There are about 450 Wiki links to Enfield, New Hampshire compared to 230 to Enfield in London. Google returns roughly the same number of hits for both (1.2 v 1.3 million) and the Enfield Gun gets a half as many as either. Also, a suburban area within a city is not as notable as a separate town by the same name. So I think there is no primary "Enfield" - if you type in Enfield you should get straight to the disambiguation page as 80% of queries will be for pages other than the London Enfield. (Sarah777 01:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC))

I wasn't referring to the links to the unambiguous titles. I was referring to the number of links to the ambiguous title (Enfield) that are meant to direct the user to a certain page. But as far as that goes, almost all of the links to "Enfield, New Hampshire" are the result of its inclusion in Template:New Hampshire. Also, I think you may have forgotten to include quotation marks in your Google test. A search for "Enfield, New Hampshire" gives 34K hits; "Enfield, London" gets 106K, and "Enfield Town" gets 140K (there's another 19K for "Enfield, England"). "Enfield Gun" gets around 700 Google hits. Dekimasu 02:05, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah well, the REAL Enfield, (Meath) gets FIVE HUNDRED hits. Good point on the redirect though - I hadn't noticed someone had zapped the article; I thought they'd just messed with the redirect. So I made a completely useless fix! Regards (Sarah777 08:09, 18 May 2007 (UTC))
"Enfield Gun" may only get 700 hits, but "Enfield rifle" gets 69K and "Lee Enfield" 221K. Sorry to butt in. Ben W Bell talk 08:25, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Administrator

Congratulations, you are now an administrator - with unanimous support! If you haven't already, now is the time look through the Wikipedia:Administrators' how-to guide and Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Warofdreams talk 16:54, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Commiserations, you are now a janitor! But you do get to zap articles and block and generally annoy people. You can practice by blocking me, if you like: I need to get some real [paying] work done today. Hm, so that wouldn't be annoying. Oh well, block me some other day too and score an extra 10 points for annoyance. -- Hoary 00:02, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Niwa

Thanks; I put it up for DRV, but if that fails, I will rewrite. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:33, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Britain

Would you please look at this version of the Britain dab page? I thought it was better, but didn't want to argue when it was (mostly) reverted. I can see you do a lot of work on dab pages, so I thought I'd ask.

Congratulations on becoming an Administrator. --Steven J. Anderson 01:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. Yes, I think it would be a good thing to have some of that information back on the page. It's very helpful for disambiguation pages to have one blue link per line, so I still think that the links to the dates and other phrases should be removed, but other uses of Britain would be great to have on the page. I'll support those sorts of changes if you'd like to readd them. And thanks for the note... Dekimasu 08:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Congratulations on your adminship

Dekimasu,

Well done on being sysopped. I know you'll do a good job. I have seen much of your work on Japan-related articles. I have quite an interest in Japan myself, and have been there twice. - Richard Cavell 13:31, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Thriller

I put it up for WP:RM last night. What will happen about that as well as the people i've informed? Simply south 09:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry that I forgot to officially close the discussion when I found the listing at WP:RM. The move I made was the one you requested, so I hope you'll be happy with it. I wouldn't have performed the move myself if I thought that it was controversial, so I hope that the other people you've informed will agree with us as well. Does that sound all right? Dekimasu 09:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Possibly. One main reason i was putting it up for WP:RM was that the redirect direction itself seemed controversial. Simply south 09:16, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
That's usually an indication that there isn't a primary topic for the title. When I ran across it, the plain title had been pointing at the dab page for over three months without a change, so I don't think there will be any objections. Dekimasu 09:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
OK. What should happen about the other people i've informed? Simply south 09:20, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
It's not really necessary for them to do anything, but if there are serious objections to the change, I can revert my move, against my better judgment. Dekimasu 09:32, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Pu-erh

(3 revisions restored: move was reverted, but history wasn't restored):

  • I was going to do this a few seconds after you did! Anthony Appleyard 06:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Need your expert opinion on disambiguation

Hello. I notice you have done some work with disambiguation pages. There is a discussion on Talk:ALF_(disambiguation)#And_again that could benefit from your expert advice. Thank you. —Viriditas | Talk 08:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I've left some advice, although I'm not sure I can be called an expert. I hope that it will be helpful. For what it's worth, if there hadn't been previous discussion on the topic, I would have moved the dab to the plain title. Dekimasu 08:57, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Very helpful. Please keep the page on your watchlist. I will attempt to follow your directions for a RM. —Viriditas | Talk 09:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

User:Sparkzilla COI

Hi, I posted about User:Sparkzilla and his undeclared CoI over at the CoI noticeboard [5]. Unfortunately, there hasn't been that much response from the admin's (except fro MangoJuice), so I was hoping maybe you could take a look at it. Heatedissuepuppet 12:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Reversion of disambiguation

I am concerned about the conduct of this user. He has reverted several disambiguation fixes [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] by Catneven. I'm about to re-revert them myself but want to give a heads-up to an admin since the user has a rather colorful history and is currently the subject of an RfC. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Steven J. Anderson (talk • contribs)

Thanks for letting me know. Since he has reverted again, I have made changes to two of the pages and left descriptive edit summaries. I don't want it to seem as though I'm persecuting his edits, so I left the others alone for now. Let's see how he responds at Discover Magazine (TV series) and History's Mysteries and proceed from there. Dekimasuよ! 01:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
He reverted me. I have left a note at User talk:Eep²#Links to "mystery" and if such actions continue (including the incivility), a stronger warning may be necessary. Dekimasuよ! 11:15, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that revert about a minute after you did and decided to go for a walk before further discussion. In this case, I think chiming in at the RfC may be more productive than a stronger warning. He recently had a 24 hour block that doesn't seem to have broken his stride. Incidentally he recently did this and this at Editing reverting me both times (with that endearing little duh in one of his edit summaries). I also don't want to look as if I'm persecuting his edits, but that page is kind of important to my efforts to disambiguate "Editor." Please take a look at my comments at Talk:Editing#Links_to_disambiguation_pages and Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#disagreement_about_linking_to_dictionary_DABs and let me know if you think anything is too inflammatory. Incidentally, I think the first comment might make fairly good boilerplate for an editor who finds his disambiguation efforts reverted. --Steven J. Anderson 12:28, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I have reported Eep² for continued edit warring at Discover Magazine (TV series) related to overlinking, and he's been blocked for 24 hours. The next problem is the removals of {{disambig}} tags from articles and their replacement with Template:Setindexarticle, which he created today. The pages are clearly dabs. Dekimasuよ! 12:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You might be interested...

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of titles with "Darker" in them —Gaff ταλκ 18:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Disambig Help

Hello there! I got your name from the Disambig page, and I was wondering if you could assist me in something. I've been working on Groningen and there is one weird link that I can't seem to fix. It affects about 15 pages, so far. It's in the footer of these pages (example:Marquis of Namur) under Lordship of Groningen. I'm sure it should be Groningen (province) but after searching Wikipedia, I can't find how to edit this footer. Do you know how? Sorry to trouble you over something so small, but I wasn't sure who to ask. Thanks in advance! --Cabiria 20:22, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

The page you were looking for was Template:Burgundian Circle. If you see text in fancy brackets in the edit box, it's usually indicating the transclusion of a template. You can do a search for "Template:Textinthefancybrackets" and edit the page you find there to fix the link. Hope this helps! I went ahead and fixed the one you were asking about. Dekimasu 01:41, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Many thanks! This is my first foray into the world of disambig and I wanted to do it right. I'm trying to learn all about the Wiki one small step at a time. I'm usually a vandal fighter, and they don't seem to mess with the templates much!  :) Thanks again for the great help! --Cabiria 11:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

History of cannon

"Cannon" serves both as the singular and plural of the noun, although the plural "cannons" can also be used." I don't know if it makes me stupid to not have known that.... or.... well, in any case, sorry for giving you more work because of my deficient English. gren グレン 07:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Dokdo poll

Dekimasu, I am responding to your comments at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan#Dokdo:

Dekimasu, on what grounds do you believe last year's "consensus" to be still valid?
First of all, last year's poll was very poorly conducted. And Sir Edgar (not an admin) closed that poll hastily, refusing to count any "oppose" votes, as the diffs show. This edit at 07:59, 29 May 2006 (by me) shows the poll was still open, with 15 "support" vs. 3 "oppose" votes. The poll was first closed by Sir Edgar immediately after that, although people kept voting. Anyways, last year's final count of 14 - 0 is scandalous. There were clearly 3 "oppose" votes that were omitted by Sir Edgar, that happened BEFORE Sir Edgar closed the poll. In addition, I counted 6 additional "oppose" votes from established editors AFTER Sir Edgar closed the poll... Many people were late, simply because they were never properly notified. There were no admins around to properly conduct last year's poll, which makes it (arguably) a sham.
Plus, last year there was the additional scandalous issue of voters being coerced to do a tie-in with the concurrent Senkaku Islands poll. Last year's polls being problematic was reason enough to initiate the current WP:RM poll, don't you think? I commend Philip Baird Shearer for starting this poll.
The discussion in Talk:Dokdo/Archive 9 shows that consensus was forming against last year's desicion anyways, and a revote was in order.
Now if the people at WP:RM can properly close this year's poll, they may even make up for their irresponsible abandonment of last year's WP:RM polls. Sorry, I know the people in-charge are different this year, but it's the same WP:RM procedure as last year's.--Endroit 10:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with your disagreement. I think you can understand why, as someone who works at WP:JAPAN, I shouldn't be the one to close the poll. Your frustration about the conduct of the last poll is understandable. Also try to understand my frustration about this one. When I specifically asked for the rationale for a move to be spelled out, I still wasn't presented with one. By framing the debate as "a poll to see where editors think this article should go", we have ended up with, frankly, a mess of people who chose whichever name they liked due to personal allegiance. It's not true of everyone, but it made what should have been a clean "NPOV or not"/"common or not" discussion into a war between 2ch and the Chosun Ilbo.
Second, although Philip Baird Shearer asked me to accept it in good faith, there is no written or unwritten rule that an RM request will stand for six months. 2006 Lebanon War is a good example of this. Any close here could very well "end" in a new request tomorrow. I think there are more productive, content-related ways that we can be spending our time. It seems to me that taking the naming issue out of the hands of those with direct or indirect conflicts of interest is the only way that this discussion will end. Dekimasu 11:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
I understand your need to recuse yourself from this case. However, I clearly don't want to see a repeat of last year, where ALL the admins just let the poll sit there and rot. Last year, if any admin was still tuned into the poll, he would've semi-protected it when the WP:SPA's from 2ch started their disruption... But no, that didn't happen. This year, I believe that a responsible admin (whether or not he's involved with WP:RM and/or other projects) must be brave, and step in to close this poll.
Also, I'm sorry that I appear to be providing that "rationale" on behalf of Philip Baird Shearer (after the fact). But if I were you, I'd look past the nationalistic votes, and see where the arguments actually are. And try to see where the combined majority of Koreaphiles, Japanophiles, and visitors from WP:RFC/HIST went. Archive 9 and this poll clearly show that the arguments have shifted since the last poll, along with the swing votes from Nihonjoe and Sekicho.
Regarding the 6-month wait... I'm surprised you don't yet seem to have a philosophy on that. Since I was involved during the closing of the last poll (I drew the green box and commented "The result of the debate was move"), I did my share of telling people to wait and/or follow rules here and here. Of course you can't force people to do so, but... perhaps it's part of your job to tell people to wait (and just hope that they listen). With respect to the Dokdo polls, people have always waited eleven - twelve months... for 3 consecutive polls, so I don't think it would be that bad.
Please don't take any of this personally; I'm just explaining this from a perspective of somebody who's been there last year. I'm confident that the admins at WP:RM will be more responsible this year. (And thanks for reading my long messages!)--Endroit 14:56, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Thanks for your comments. I'm happy to help, but it can be a lot of work at times. Don't worry, if I do retire (which is not outside the realm of possibility) I will leave behind the programs I use. --Russ (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

RfC

Just wanted to let you know that I opened an RfC on myself in response to the concerns raised during my RfA over my actions in the Gary Weiss dispute. The RfC is located here and I welcome any comments or questions you may have. CLA 04:40, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

I have read through the RfC and I've chosen to remain neutral at this time, although I did endorse one statement to the effect that opening the RfC shouldn't be held against you. I remember my original statement in your RfA, relating to the fact that SlimVirgin was asking for oppose votes based on deleted diffs - that is, for RfA voters to oppose your candidacy without the ability to judge the facts of the matter for themselves. Since that time I've gone through my own RfA, and I have access to the information in question. I haven't reviewed all of the diffs concerning the article and its deletion discussion, but I did note the diff that was removed from your RfA, where you attempted to repost the name of the site when asked about it. All else aside, I don't fault you for attempting to inform RfA voters of the circumstances of the dispute in that limited context. Depending on time constraints (I will be away on vacation for the next four days), I will look at the article and AfD to get a better picture of what happened and may endorse more summaries at that time. Thank you for telling me about the request for comment. Dekimasuよ! 02:03, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
I appreciate you taking the time to look into it and your consideration and comments on the issue. Please don't hesitate to express your opinion in the RfC on any of my actions with regard to what happened, whether negative or positive. I want to get everything that happened and as much opinion on it expressed as possible in one place, not only so that I can learn from it to not repeat the same mistakes again and to have a single site for reference if anyone asks questions about it in the future, but to hopefully help put the whole incident in the past. Thanks again. CLA 04:24, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

My deleting

Apologies for my overzealous refactoring in the discussion section for the article "JLPT". I'd like to come to a consensus that perhaps everything before the heading "Clean Up" can be archived or deleted. (I took a quick look at WP:Archive and it looks like an investigation topic in it's own right - when I've got a spare hour I'll try and figure it out ;-))spurrymoses 13:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. The general idea is to retain a record of all of the discussion that used to reside on the page. This particular talk page (Talk:Japanese Language Proficiency Test) isn't very long at the moment, although some of the discussion is very old and of questionable usefulness. Most of the time it's frowned upon to edit the talk page comments of other editors, although you have slightly more leeway on your own talk page. If you'd like, I can start an archive for the JLPT page. Just let me know... Dekimasuよ! 02:08, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Dab

Hey, thanks! That makes a lot more sense then what I was doing. I was wondering what exactly I needed to do on that page. --Milton 02:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Hi Dekimasu!

I'm glad to talk with Dekimasu.In English,cool and sophisticated argument will be expected.By the way,my favorite is Chopin.Not only in wikipedia,but also in virtual piano and violin play,his masterpieces should be researched! Naotyan 01:44, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Sinmiyangyo

You thought this was dormant, at least for a week or so? Me too. Seems we were wrong. As ever, your cool and sophisticated input would be welcome! -- Hoary 12:53, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

One-day poll, eh. Dekimasuよ! 11:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Alf DAB

Could you explain your revert to me, please? No sense edit-warring on the matter; if you can explain your reasoning to my satisfaction, we are good. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 11:24, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, please give me a moment to link all the pages. I wouldn't leave it unlinked, okay? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 11:27, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
I was writing a reply on the talk page just as you were posting here, and hopefully I've explained myself well enough there. I know that there are enough edit wars going on there already, so I'll be glad to stay out of them. Sorry if my revert bothered you. Dekimasuよ! 11:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it didn't bother me, I think we just disagree which part of DAB the page relates to better. It isn't something that's unresolvable, or that we have to edit-war over. There's enuff clownage going on there with that. - Arcayne (cast a spell) 11:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I left another comment on the talk page over there. I won't edit the dab page without you on board again, though. Dekimasuよ! 11:45, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should discuss the matter here - far too many people seeking blood in the water on the page to let anything constructive happen. I replied ont he page, but we can continue the discussion here, to save time and static. Sound good? - Arcayne (cast a spell) 13:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

I'm happy to discuss things here if there's anything more to discuss. SlimVirgin made a small change to the page this morning, and I agree with it. I think it retains the spirit of your efforts at categorization and makes sure that the page can be used easily, as well. I'd like to stay out of the discussion entirely if possible, but I'm worried that I'll be needed to intervene if someone decides to move the page unilaterally again. Dekimasuよ! 00:37, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

I think most of the disruptive stuff is out of the way, at least for now. You shouldn't feel nervous about someone jumping down your throat. At least, I won't. I agree witht he chancges Slim made as well; she took the time to explain why she thought the edit made the DAB better, which I rather appreciated. Anyway, all seems well in the page, so if you think there's something nifty to contribute, please do so. You are an interesting person, interesting viewpoints are always good to have in a discussion. :) - Arcayne (cast a spell) 02:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Your involvementy with Energy

It is indeed very heartening that you have decided to undo, whatsoever I did in many months. If wikipedia encourages people like you who without sufficient experience go about demolishing the efforts of other serious editors, I can foresee that very soon it will be limited to the small present ( a small mansion in Japan) you claim you have gifted to Wikipedia.Hallenrm 04:00, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

You might prefer to get angry at someone else; I wasn't the one who made the change. In fact, I only made sure that you can still see the history of the work you did. All record of it was deleted when Energy (physics) was moved to Energy, and I restored that history to Energy (Disambiguation). Had I not acted at all, the history would have been wiped from Wikipedia entirely. Several serious editors (eight, the last time I checked) agreed with the changes to the page, and you were the only one who opposed the move. Perhaps reflecting on the reasons behind that would serve you better than venting your anger on others. Happy editing. Dekimasuよ! 04:12, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Japanese people

Oops, sorry, thanks for fixing that :-) My monobook.js clearly needs fixing :-( Cheers, Tangotango (talk) 09:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

U.S. Navy Ships

I saw your changes to "Empire of Japan" on U.S. Navy warships, so in the future I will follow your lead on any other ships that need that phraseology. Wikited 18:36, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! The main issue is just that links to "Japanese" go to a disambiguation page. If you know which Japanese forces were involved in battles with the warships, you can link more specifically to Japanese Imperial Army or Japanese Imperial Navy, but it's usually hard to determine those things from the information we have available. I wish you luck continuing to work on the U.S. Navy articles. Dekimasuよ! 23:30, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Sivaji: The Boss (soundtrack)

The purpose of the article was so it could hold the large amount of information while the main article had it summarized in a few paragraphs. Work on the summarisazing has begun slowly. Currently I am not working on the article but UH and the others are. Could you please contact them at Talk:Sivaji: The Boss or on their respective talk pages. I have reverted your edit.

Thank you,

AVTN

If the summarizing takes place, that's a valid solution, and I can agree with the revert. The fact that the same information appears in the main article and the daughter article was what I found to be a problem. Since the version in the main article appeared to be more thoroughly checked for grammar and style, I turned the soundtrack page into a redirect. I hope that the talk thread you've started will prompt editing to the pages that will cause them to turn out the way you want. Thanks for the note. Dekimasuよ! 23:28, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
It is very sad how the article has turned out to be a potential edit war in the time I have being taking off for my exams. I would like some guidance on how to "summarize" the soundtrack. If it isn't done by next monday then I will do it. AVTN 09:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Translation Request

Good Evening Dekimasu!

Thanks for your help in correcting any errors for the article: Taisei Gakuen.

Would you mind helping me expand the Japanese version of the Auckland Grammar School article? - based on the English article. Just 3-5 extra lines would be sufficient enough. Please.

Yours Sincerely -- Per Angusta, 09:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC) (I had only learnt Japanese for two years at Auckland Grammar so my Japanese is only at a very basic level).

Move request

You may find this helpful about the following proposal that was copied from WP:RM: Intellectual giftedness → Giftedness. The user MrsMacMan is an abusive sockpuppet of User:Jessica Liao and a longtime disruptor of education related articles. You may safely close or even delete anything she has initiated at Wikipedia. --Fire Star 火星 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

False Rumor of Hailey being Japanese

To discredit a myth is not the same thing as spreading a myth. At WIKI we must approach subjects to document facts and sometimes that means discrediting LIES. For example, to say that some still BELIEVE that there were Weapons of mass destruction is NOT the same thing as SAYING that there were Weapons of Mass destruction. The first step in debunking Junk Science, Lies, and Rumors is to confront the factual head on. Thanks again! P.S. Your contributions are impressive. Cr8tiv 20:16, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

We are particularly strict in enforcing our standards for inclusion in articles about living people, per WP:BLP. This means that it's important to cite sources rigorously, and even more so when making judgments about what things are rumors and lies. I fixed the sentence up and added a fact tag at the end, but since I doubt that it will be possible to find a reliable source either confirming or denying the rumor, I wouldn't be surprised if the statement is removed from the article again. Thank you for your note, and happy editing. Dekimasuよ! 00:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

The Name for Bank of Manchukuo to be Moved to

Talk:Bank of Manchukuo#Requested move, which you have joined, has been denied due to a dispute on where it should be moved. Hence, I have started a thread, Talk:Bank of Manchukuo#The name still has to be discussed to gather some consensus for where should it be moved-- since we all agree the current name is wrong. You are welcomed to join in the discussion. --Samuel di Curtisi di Salvadori 14:46, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Kitamori Kazoh

Hi.

I noticed you switched the page I created to the western style of given name family name. That's fine and dandy; thank you.

I am trying to do some internal links for tha page, specifically for Kitamori's intellectual fathers, Tanabe Hajime, and Nishida Kitaro. Both of their pages have family name given name. Should they be changed, too, or what's the deal? Thanks

Uac1530 04:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Peta (prefix)

Vulcan

Taito

I'm confused as to what happened with Taito Corporation. If nobody opposed the move, why was it not moved? I could have changed the dab page, but a disambiguation page is not needed with only two articles and a dablink at the top of one article. This is why I proposed the move. "Corporation" is not necessary in the title of a company article, unless as a qualifier. So the point of the move was to move Taito Corporation over the disambiguation page (which is more of a trivia page), nobody opposed it, so why didn't it happen? ~ JohnnyMrNinja {talk} 02:01, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

I've left you a reply on the talk page where you listed the move. I was attempting to close the request through my edits, but if you want someone else to take a look at it, I'm not offended that you reopened the request. Maybe I should have been more communicative, but I didn't change the setup quite as you requested because I did object to one part of your line of reasoning. Dekimasuよ! 07:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for closing that discussion

Thanks for closing the discussion about the requested move for Angband. That was the first time I'd seen a requested move discussion take place on a WikiProject talk page rather than an article talk page. I still think an article talk page would have been better, with notices on both of the other talk pages, but it worked out OK in the end. Thanks again. Carcharoth 09:39, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

New database dump

I've processed the July 16 database dump and the results are at User:RussBot/DPL, in case you want to start a new series at WP:DPL. --Russ (talk) 19:17, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm trying to go ahead and get the page together and ready for transclusion. In the past I was against transcluding early, but it worked so well this time that I think we should go ahead and start it (the only reason we haven't hit that 80% threshhold this time is that the total number of links was so large). I was running through some numbers yesterday and found that we had finished fixing 90 of the 103 pages with 200+ links even though we had finished less than half of the total pages with 100+ links. I'm not sure whether it's a cause or an effect, but it does seem like it would be good to get the new dump up and get people around DPL focused on the pages that have big problems. Hope you had a good Wikibreak.... Dekimasuよ! 10:29, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Furry

Thanks for sorting that out. Now the project has a name I can actually promote to the people most likely to contribute to it. :-) GreenReaper 14:36, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

There seems to be one related change I can't make myself - Wikipedia:WikiProject Anthropomorphism/Assessment -> Wikipedia:WikiProject Furry/Assessment. Could you make this move? GreenReaper 17:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
No problem. Done. Dekimasuよ! 07:38, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Requested moves

Sorry for the inadvertent !vote mess over there. It's one of the XfDish processes I don't spend much time in at all. I thought I was being helpful. :-) — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 15:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

It's okay... it only took me a few hours to clean up. Haha. Dekimasuよ! 16:10, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Sports in Detroit

Thank you for the move. Just to clarify, did you mean included in the article [11]? The Evil Spartan 19:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Although the title is just "Detroit" now, I meant to say that it is okay for other teams from the metropolitan area to be included in the article - i.e., the scope of the article wasn't changed by the move. I think my grammar was correct when I said that the move "should not be taken to mean that teams from outside the city limits should be excluded from the article"... but I agree that I should have explained it more clearly. Dekimasuよ! 02:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Taito move request

I would like to close the old move request for Taito Corporation → Taito. The request has been open for 11 days without much discussion except between you and JohnnyMrNinja. Are you willing to let things stand as they are now? I have no personal opinion on the matter—I would just like to close the old discussion. ●DanMS • Talk 05:10, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately the backlog at WP:RM is pretty large right now, and I seem to be just about the only admin on call there at the moment. I've been trying to run through as many moves as I can, but I've been avoiding closing the ones where I expressed an opinion myself. Please close it and any others you feel comfortable finishing off... that would be a big help. Dekimasuよ! 06:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes, I have been working on it little by little, but the requests come in faster than they can be closed. Some of the requests in the backlog are so controversial that I have really hesitated to do anything about them. Stemonitis used to work in this area but I have not seen him much here lately. ●DanMS • Talk 23:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
He was just away for a few days, but he's back now. When something like this happens, User:Anthony Appleyard and User:GTBacchus are also very helpful. I think we've just about got things back under control. Dekimasuよ! 01:58, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Close Request

Would you mind closing the move request for 4′33″ → 4'33"? I probably should not close it because I participated in the discussion. ●DanMS • Talk 00:19, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Request to reopen move debate

I closed the move request for Eisack → Isarco (discussion) because no consensus had been reached after 12 days. Almost immediately I had a request to reopen the debate. (See my talk page.) I told the requester that I would reopen the move request discussion if a couple of other admins agreed that it should be reopened. Do you agree the debate should be opened again? ●DanMS • Talk 01:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

I may have interpreted the result of the discussion differently, but I don't think that reopening it would do much good - having been open for quite a long time, most of the people who might answer have already answered, so the course of the debate is unlikely to change. It's clear that neither title is wrong per se, and thus there wasn't a compelling reason to move the page. The discussion can be revisited again at some point in the future (though I'd personally advise against it), but it becomes much harder to close discussions decisively when they go back and forth between open and closed. I'd advise against reopening it, with apologies to the proposer.
I've got to go out now, but if the move proposal you mentioned in the section above is still open when I get back, I'll see what I can do. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk redirect pages

What is to be done with talk pages like this one, which was created when I moved Twitches Too! to Twitches Too? Since it was newly created by the move and has no history (and seems useless anyway), should I (1) delete it, or (2) just remove the redirect? I appreciate the assistance you have given me with these page-moving tasks and I hope I am not asking too many questions. I am learning a little more every day. ●DanMS • Talk 01:58, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Before I became an administrator, I used to break the redirect (by blanking the page) if I thought it was a talk page that could possibly used to discuss something different from the article in question (an example would be a talk page for a plain title redirecting to a talk page for a dab). If I didn't think there was any such issue, I left the redirect alone. As an admin, I sometimes (but not too often) delete that kind of redirect under CSD-G6 (housekeeping). In most cases those redirects are unlikely to become problems so I don't worry about them too much. There definitely isn't an issue here, so I don't think it's a big problem to leave the redirect in place. I haven't asked the other major closers about their opinions, so they might do things differently; my way might be a bit sloppy. Sorry if that reply isn't very helpful.... Dekimasuよ! 13:25, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Jam redirect

I notice you fixed the Jam redirect; that was fine, thanks, but please take care in such cases to ensure that the destination article handles the redirect via a disambiguation line. Anyone typing in jam would have been thrown to "Fruit preserves" without having access to other meanings of the word. Fourohfour 20:31, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

I think I missed it because it was mostly a reversion; I was also looking at Jelly (disambiguation), and since the redirect there was sectional, I didn't notice that the link had been removed from the top of Fruit preserves. I don't usually make that sort of mistake, so don't worry too much. Thanks for fixing it. Dekimasuよ! 00:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Disambig work on Speech article

Domo arigato! --Orange Mike 03:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

You're welcome, if it was good. Please fix anything that still looks like it needs work... I've also listed it as a new disambiguation collaboration at Wikipedia:Disambiguation pages with links. I think we can all start to go through the 700+ links to the page now. (^^) Dekimasuよ! 03:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Socialist Canarian Party

Re: the notability tag on the Socialist Canarian Party, I think that its incorrect to compare votes for individuals and political parties when judging notability criteria. Most probably the party only contested in a single municipality, and it should be ruled out that the party might have had members outside of that municipality. Moreover the party is registered with the Spanish authorities, and it is advisable that persons going through those registers might consult wikipedia for information about the parties listed. --Soman 08:28, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not going to nominate it for deletion myself, but I respectfully disagree. It would be unfair to compare votes for individuals and political parties in a way that disadvantaged the individual, but I can't find the reverse to be true. Registration of a company is not enough to ensure notability, so I don't see how the simple registration of a political party can be enough to ensure notability. At any rate, I fixed the dead link and fixed the syntax of the translation. Hopefully someone will come along after us and present a third opinion. Dekimasuよ! 09:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I have (again) tried to raise the issue at Wikipedia_talk:Notability. IMHO, to serve as reference to electoral results, articles should be created on political parties even though they might turn out unsuccesful. --Soman 10:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Elonka 2

Thank you for taking the time to participate at the discussion in my Request for Adminship. Unfortunately the nomination did not succeed, but please rest assured that I am still in full support of the Wikipedia project. I listened carefully to all concerns, and will do my best to incorporate all of the constructive advice that I received, into my future actions on Wikipedia. If you can think of any other ways that I can further improve, please let me know. Best wishes, Elonka 05:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Lord Voldemort image

I see that you wrote on the picture of Voldemort in the article of the same name, that the movie was not yet in a screenshot capable medium. But then obviously, the screenshot was not taken from the film itself, but the official theatrical trailer. I then suggest that you remove the Fair Use-review, but I agree with you that it should be of a lower resolution plus a rationale for the picture captured from the trailer. Wikiburger 17:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

African Wild Dog

Thanks for your work merging my controversy article to the main article. That is really where it belongs. Steve Dufour 13:30, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Random Smiley Award

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Luksuh 04:21, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Inquiry

Would you be interested in help expanding a series of Anime related articles? I need help from a Japanese speaking person to add material from Japanese sources.

For now my focus is mostly for the articles on Oh My Goddess! (ああっ女神さまっ, Aa! Megami-sama!). More specifically articles on the featured list "List of Oh My Goddess episodes". I want to start with the article You're a Goddess?.

A concern was raised that the articles in question did not have adequate out of universe material such as information on the production or information on the cultural references such as the reception it received. Information on ratings, awards a particular episode received would also be a helpful addition.

If you could help perfect just one of the articles, I could use it as a metric for future reference. Of course I would more than welcome any additional help as well.

-- Cat chi? 18:47, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

101 Ranch

Could use your help here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_Brothers_101_Ranch The original author seems to insist on her original (and incomplete) version. All the additions that I have offered have been deleted. All were from legitimate sources. Check the history. Also, this article should be included in Wikipedia Oklahoma. Thanks:

jcm

Translation request

Hello. I saw you were volunteering to translate from Japanese. Can you help me evaluate Image:Fake of nanking.jpg and the book it's from, 情報戦「慰安婦・南京」の真実 [12] to determine how reliable a source it is, and of course to translate what the picture says? It's being used as a source in the IfD to prove that the images Image:Trimedfilm battleofchina.jpg and Image:The Buttle of the China2.jpg are not original research. Thanks, nadav (talk) 22:59, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

I can confirm that the text on the first image attempts to call into question the veracity of the photos, so I wouldn't consider the second and third images original research. Asked my opinion as to whether the source is in any way reliable, I would say that it is written from an implicitly and explicitly nationalistic perspective; i.e., the source itself doesn't make a significant attempt to evaluate the topic with neutrality, whether it happens to be correct here or not. It isn't anything you would want to base factual statements in an article on, although it might be useful as an example of the form in which nationalistic Japanese people have objected to coverage of the events in question. It's lucky I'm able to rule against the source, because if I had any sympathy for it, I'd be accused of bias. Dekimasuよ! 08:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
This is very helpful. Thank you! nadav (talk) 08:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Comment on move request dispute

I (and maybe User:Stemonitis) would appreciate your comment at User_talk:Stemonitis#British_Raj_move_request_decision on a move request of British Raj. Thanks. — AjaxSmack 18:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

I've been tied up over the past few days, and I will be for a few more, but sorry for not getting back to you in a timely way. After a brief look I can't express a strong opinion either way, but I feel that it's reasonable (if not necessary) to read the discussion as reflecting a lack of consensus. Since you're asking me as an RM admin, I'd suggest asking the opinion of User:GTBacchus. Personally I'd worry a bit that whereas "British Raj" includes the area that became Pakistan, it is a bit less clear whether that's true of the term "British India". It also seems like it might be reasonable to apply WP:ENGVAR here, but other British government labels on Wikipedia that might fall under ENGVAR are clearly inappropriate (ugh, "Her Majesty's Government"?), clouding the matter somewhat. Dekimasuよ! 13:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Your question

Hi: thanks for asking that question. Unfortunately, I will only be available to answer it properly this afternoon (or, alternatively, around 6 hrs from now). I hope this is okay, and I just wanted to let you know that I had noticed it. Cheers -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 21:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have answered. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 06:18, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Did I answer it to your satisfaction? Thanks -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 09:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
I was unavailable for a few days, but I've added my final judgment to your RfA now. As I noted there, I was hoping for a more free-flowing response. On the other hand, in the context of an RfA, I can't blame you for limiting yourself. Have fun with your administratools. Dekimasuよ! 10:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks again for asking the question. -- Anonymous DissidentTalk 10:12, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Bangalore?

Why was Bengaluru moved back to Bangalore? There was one more vote to keep it at Bengaluru.Reginmund 17:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

I left a pretty extensive closing message that you might want to look through, but for one thing, the original title was Bangalore. There would not have been a consensus to move the page to Bengaluru, and the move to Bengaluru that did happen was not uncontroversial as claimed in the process. Dekimasuよ! 09:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hi. Your close of the move discussion appears to have been guided solely by procedural nitty-gritties. In doing so, you've literally with a single wave of your hand invalidated a very long and detailed discussion of the move. This, you've done by pointing to an older discussion that is older by almost a year! It is also an insult to all the editors who took part in the extended polling in good faith. Now that you've corrected a wiki-legal anamoly with your hasty and imo, ill advised close of the discussion, do you expect us to open another poll to now 'discuss' moving it back to "Bengaluru"? (My reading of WP:BURO is that this is precisely the kind of bureaucracy that is to be avoided on wikipedia). I request that you read the discussions first, make amendments to your closing remarks and move the article back to Bengaluru (for reasons detailed in the poll discussions and this thread which has come up following your baffling close of the discussion on procedural grounds.

And no, I do not think there is anything 'controversial' about moving it to Bengaluru. If you think there is, please point out what the controversy is. Just because there is a detailed and lengthy discussion, doesnt mean there is controversy. Until now, you havent said anything about the merits of the arguments at all! You've only pointed out procedural details and not much else. Sarvagnya 22:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC) Sarvagnya 22:18, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

He said there's lack of consensus, which is a pretty accurate conclusion about the discussion and also a statement of his opinion on the merits of the arguments. This is a clear case of content dispute where an official policy would make things easier. Lotlil 01:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Dekimasu, please reconsider your move and change Bangalore back to Bengaluru. Thanks.Kanchanamala 09:12, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I've left a more extensive explanation as requested to make it clear that I didn't restore the Bangalore title on purely procedural grounds, but I still don't see a consensus for Bengaluru, so I am unlikely to reconsider my close. If you want another neutral administrator to review what I did, that's fine with me. As far as the comment above about starting another poll, WP:BURO aside, I don't think that would be the best course of action. It has already been made clear that a large segment of editors are opposed to the name change, so it would be unlikely to find a new consensus in favor of Bengaluru a week after the first move request. Dekimasuよ! 16:19, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Dispute at An Jung-geun

Hey Dekimasu, I saw how wonderfully you handled the Lake Heavens RM - I think that you have a very broad & open mind & you are perfectly fitting to be an admin. Could you handle dispute & handle it with neutrality? I personally don't care what the result is as long as you do it. Thanks a lot. (Wikimachine 22:53, 4 September 2007 (UTC))

My impression from the first read-through (I'm very busy this week, as you can see from my sharp drop in contributions) is that the current introduction is acceptable. I would probably link the first and second sentences ("...nationalist, best known..."). I don't think "nationalist" is a great word to use there, because the context makes it almost sound like a profession, whereas the word is usually used to denote a character trait. On the other hand, I think it is a better term to use than "activist", because it much more succinctly states the type of activism in which he was involved. Referring to him as a murderer or terrorist is also unnecessarily imprecise when he can be referred to as an assassin. I'll try to get back to this again soon. Dekimasuよ! 16:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar of Peace

The Barnstar of Peace
This is no bribery but I checked all of your discussion archive & you got only 1 barnstar! Well, there's no written rule that says you've got to have more than, but I'm so impressed with how you dealt the Lake Heavens stuff that I took time to pick an award - which reminded me, the sign of peace that you have on top of your discussion page. Gl. Wikimachine 22:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

War trophy move

Thanks for moving the page (I was the one who suggested it). User:Wmpearl, the page creator, has reverted your edits with no explanation. I think you did the right thing with the move. Would reverting his edits back be appropriate, or discussing on his talk page? Since he gave no indication for his decision (and probably just has a mild case of WP:OWN) I think reverting with an explanation for why on his talk page would be appropriate. What do you think? All the best, ~Eliz81(C) 22:42, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Attack sites opened

Hello, Dekimasu. The arbitration case in which you commented to has opened. Please provide evidences on the evidence page for the Arbitrators to consider. You may also want to utilize the workshop page for suggestions.

For the Arbitration Committee,
- Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 21:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

On the Jews and their Lies & On the Jews and Their Lies

The first is just WRONG. It violates all the Rules of Style, and is not the way the title is actually written - in pracice. So I'm going to revert your error. We should not re-inforce people's mistakes! Do you understand me?

Best regards, --Ludvikus 14:02, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Contesting proposed deletions: The way to do it is not with a reversion, but with the following Wiki Tag: {{hangon}}. Best, --Ludvikus 14:14, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Do you understand me? Alarming, no? But Dekimasu, don't worry if you don't understand it. I for one certainly don't understand how writing "their" instead of "Their" violates all the Rules (capitalized) of Style (capitalized). -- Hoary 15:10, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
Just to clarify, what I did here was undelete a redirect that is a plausible search term, and I wasn't involved in changing the location of any pages. Since I was undeleting the page, it wouldn't really make sense to leave the speedy deletion tag intact. I could have simply recreated the redirect, but as I noted, there was significant history that had been deleted without discussion in the past. Thanks for the various input. Dekimasuよ! 12:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Request for Help

Hi, Dekimasu -- You know, I hope, that some of us are doing a major revision of the Manga article. We've been working on it for a month or so, posting lots of notices and invitations on the Manga and Manga/Anime project talk pages. We're working in small steps, adding new sections and removing old ones if there is no objection on the talk pages. You can see the material we're working on now on User Talk: Timothy Perper/Sandbox5.

Fairly soon, we are going to starting on the subsection dealing with the history of manga before World War 2. The draft material we're accumulating has a fair amount of Japanese language material in it, contributed and translated -- thank you, thank you -- by Japanese Wiki editor Kasuga. Much of the material deals with history from the late 1800s (Meiji) up through the 1930s.

Can we ask your assistance with this material? Not merely to confirm the translations, but also to help edit the translation for smoothness. We very much want to keep as much of this material as we can, both out of respect for Kasuga and because we feel it adds substantively to the article.

If you're willing -- and I hope you are -- can you leave a note either here or on the User Talk: Timothy Perper/Sandbox5 page?

Timothy Perper 17:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

It sounds interesting, and hopefully I can lend a hand (although I haven't had a lot of extra time lately, and probably can't handle doing a full rewrite). Let me know when things are ready for what you'd like me to do, and I'll take a look soon. Will it be at User:Timothy Perper/Sandbox6? Dekimasuよ! 05:01, 2 October 2007 (UTC)


Incoming links

Hi.

  1. I've removed the categories until this is a live template.
  2. YOu should not subst Ambox in it - you should call Ambox.
  3. You need to support a date parameter for the cleanup category - see {{cleanup}} for the names
  4. Good idea to run this off #switch on NAMSPACE to only apply the cast to mainspace and Talk
  5. Good idea to have comments marking the beginning and end of the template as people will mistakenly subst it, and it then needs to be de-substed.

Rich Farmbrough, 12:59 2 October 2007 (GMT).

Nobel Prize in Economics

i noticed your opposition to renaming the econ prize, and thought you would be interested in knowing that there's another attempt to thwart the will of the community by subterfuge. you might want to check it out and share your views.--emerson7 16:18, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

My comment there didn't really amount to opposition. It was just related to Google results. Dekimasuよ! 11:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I know you're very busy but if you could spare some time, could you please answer my questions at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Page move after no consensus? I don't know any other user who has this as their speciality area. Thanks! –panda 01:24, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I've closed the discussion related to these things and left a summary of my views at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics (as well as a shorter note at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves). Sorry to disappoint you, but I tried to give you a fair and impartial close. Dekimasuよ! 11:48, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm not at all surprised by the results of the debate as I was expecting no consensus. This issue will probably come up again as this was the 2nd time in the last year so we'll see how it goes next time.
I strongly believe that Wikipedia's policy for common names should not have been followed in this case. Many of the people who voted to keep the page at "Nobel Prize in Economics" have not educated themselves in the topic, evidenced by the many incorrect claims they made. And they don't seem interested in it either since no matter what evidence is produced, they still hold fast to their beliefs. Or, after reading the evidence, they choose to invalidate it. Even if the title is a common name, it still lends support to the incorrect POV that the prize is a Nobel Prize, which I have been attempting to show ad nauseam that it's not with more and more, what I consider, more reliable references in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics to no avail because one editor (Vision Thing, the first to vote) wants to adamantly adhere to a single reference from the web (UK Encarta, in this case) just because it includes the text "Reviewed by: Nobel Foundation".[13] That doesn't mean that everyone who's spent time researching the topic agreed to move the page, but it's disgusting to see ignorant individuals decide on the direction of and text included in Wikipedia, which may be partly due to a personal grudge with me since I reverted their text at some point. (I'm primarily referring to the rationale being presented in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics for including the econ prize as a Nobel Prize in the Nobel Prize article.) Some of the people who opposed the move aren't interested in facts about this topic, they're just defending their POV and using WP:NAME as an excuse since it can be applied in this case. The most neutral name would have been the proposed name as it includes the Nobel name and neither supports nor denies its association with Nobel. The article was, in fact, stable for at least three years with the longer name. Now, it's being disrupted about once every 6 months to move/debate the page title...
Lastly, I personally don't know of any case where a common name falsely implies something about the topic that it isn't, but is used anyway in Wikipedia. (There is no ambiguity to what the topic is about -- it is primarily the false claim I am concerned with.) If you could help find an example for me in Wikipedia, that would be appreciated. In my mind, this is a special case but please prove me wrong.
–panda 15:31, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Flying squirrel? Centrifugal force? Principality of Hutt River? Nothing pops to mind, but that is partly because, as in this case, the people on one side support the view that the common name is valid despite not being official. We are generally descriptive rather than prescriptive in naming, which means relying to a certain extent on the established terms used in third-party sources. Maybe reading through the archives of Japanese diaspora would be informative... I was part of a long dispute there about the appropriateness of its former title, "ethnic Japanese". Another case I was directly involved in concerned the validity redirecting University of Wisconsin to just one of the state universities in Wisconsin. Directing you to other RM discussions that I've closed isn't very helpful, because if I am shown to be in error then they won't be useful anecdotes - but I made a close at Talk:Bangalore recently that might also be of interest to you. Dekimasuよ! 13:58, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
I read your comments in Talk:Bangalore already but that case isn't really similar since its a name change from an old name to a new name, both of which were correct at some point. Anyway, I'll take a look at the first 3 you mentioned. And I ask that you look at the conversation below (it's very short). If you don't have time, let me know and I'll ask another admin. –panda 14:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Could you also take a look at this conversation about these edit and offer some advice for what to do? –panda 19:56, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
Linking the names of the individual prizes seems like overkill to me, so I prefer Vision Thing's text. That doesn't mean that the citation has to come out - it corroborates either version of the text and appears to be a useful reference. That said, the site is inconsistent in its own treatment - e.g., this page seems to indicate that the posthumous prize in economics in 1996 was a Nobel Prize by virtue of its phrasing. You are using a similar argument to state that the economics prize isn't a Nobel Prize, but the phrasing isn't tight and it could be taken to mean that after adding the economics prize, the committee (a) chose to keep the original five prizes intact, and (b) then chose not to create any more new prizes. The conversation itself could have worked out better, I agree. Dekimasuよ! 14:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! So I guess the final question is if the text + citation can be included, must be modified or removed, which was "The Prize in Economics is not a Nobel Prize, according to the Nobel Foundation." I'm the 2nd editor who has pointed out that citation as showing it is not a Nobel Prize. (The other can be found at Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics.) I agree the website is ambiguous with how it presents the prize but it also doesn't include it as a Nobel Prize when it lists the areas they are awarded in.[14] It only groups them together in several locations, one of which you've pointed out. The website for the selection/awarding committee doesn't make that grouping. I would also agree to modifying the text to state "The Prize in Economics is not a Nobel Prize, according to The Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences." if how prizes are grouped is credible evidence that something is or isn't a Nobel Prize. If this is taking too much of your time, let me know and I'll ask another admin. –panda 14:49, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

canvassing

thank you for the canvassing note, i honestly didn't realise there were specific prohibitions against it. i've reverted those i could find regarding another matter. with regard to agf, for weeks i actually believed panda was making good faith efforts until i discovered and understood his tactics at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Page move after no consensus. at some point, it just has to be called. either way, i take your admonitions to heart. cheers. --emerson7 15:22, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

People tend to look for reasons to bring about their desired result when they are convinced they're right, so it was a natural reaction for Panda to ask questions about the previous page move (which, from where I stand, was a somewhat questionable close). Even if it might seem that Panda was looking for an "excuse" to have the page moved in anticipation of a lack of consensus in the move survey, that doesn't mean he was acting in bad faith. People can be discouraged from wikilawyering without it being necessary to question their motives. Sorry if this response seems condescending, but it's good to maintain friendly relations whenever possible. Dekimasuよ! 12:06, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
For another comment on this topic, please see the end of the "past history" section below. Dekimasuよ! 05:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

emerson7

emerson7 has been harassing me since I made a change to the Nobel Prize in Chemistry page due to a comment by an anon on its talk page [15] [16]. A quick look at my talk page, emerson7's talk page, Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry#Country of record, and Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry#RFC: Country – ambiguous or not shows his uncivil comments to me. I don't know if these are enough violations to file a case at WP:WQA or if its even worthwhile. But in the mean time, he has been (1) removing good faith edits by new editors [17] [18], accusing one of them of level 3 vandalism on their first offense [19] and possibly driving away these editors from the project (Special:Contributions/Pavlina2.0, Special:Contributions/Dwolgel), (2) blaming the script for his reverts, such as "i pushed the wrong button before i could enter explanatory text."[20] or "sometimes the script get confused"[21] and (3) feigning ignorance such as "i'm afraid i don't know what you are referencing" [22] [23] to reverts he did several times [24] [25] [26] [27]. If this person still doesn't know how to use the scripts after having used them for over 6 months, can WP not allow them to use the scripts? He has been warned that using rollbacks in content disputes is not acceptable [28] [29] but continues to do it anyway, such as during his edit war with me [30] [31]. emerson7 also has a tendency to use the blanket edit summary "copyediting" or "cleanup" when he does include an edit summary. These don't say anything and are about as useful as not adding an edit summary. Sometimes, they're simply misleading, not necessarily incorrect. But I don't know if that actually violates any WP policy.

Should this case go to WP:WQA or some other venue? It's mostly a lot of small violations to different (newer) users and nothing that I can see as being any single serious violation. –panda 15:35, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

I think you would be better off trying to file an WP:RfC/U since you raise many distinct questions covering a fairly long period of time. An RfC would require certification of the dispute by another user, but that seems like a fair possibility given the number of incidents you've cited. Emerson7 is frequently (if not always) very polite and willing to apologize when he has made an error, which makes WP:WQA less appropriate here here. What you really take issue with is the fact that he sometimes (often?) fails to address the problem or change his behavior after apologizing. An RfC would probably be the best place to discuss what changes might be needed. Dekimasuよ! 02:21, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
FYI. Except for being blocked and warned about using rollback scripts in edit wars, the points I brought up above where incidents that have happened in the last month, that is, during the month of September. Anyway, thanks for the advice. I'll think about filing an WP:RfC/U. (There's additional comments above regarding multiple topics that I would appreciate if you could reply to.) –panda 19:15, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Past history

If you didn't already check:

  • emerson7 was blocked 21:43, 3 May 2007 for "persistent disruption & refusal to repond to requests and warnings". If you look at his talk page (+ history since he deletes items) you'll see how many editors he has disrupted and continues to disrupt on a weekly basis. (You are not the first editor I have asked for advice on how to deal with emerson7. I have deliberately chosen to not file a case yet since I know that he spends the majority of his time fighting spam in WP, albeit far too aggressively at times.)
  • Panda has never been blocked, instead my patience has been tested to great lengths. I have had one conflict with a new user User talk:Ahm2307, which I haven't repeated. Now it's (1) emerson7 (who can't handle having his edits reverted but does it all the time to others), (2) as of a week ago Vision Thing (who also can't seem to handle getting his edits reverted and has stalked others when they do), and (3) Anthon.Eff, who likes to use, what I consider, personal attacks [32] #2 with those who don't share the same views and refuses to do his own research for the Nobel Prize and Nobel Prize in Economics articles. He hasn't produced a single reference yet to support his views but holds fast to them anyway by virtue of the duck test. What do I do to fight these disruptive editors? I choose to produce new references and check on WP policies! So if it's considered Wikipedia:WikiLawyering to check and question policies to better understand them, then I'm guilty as charged!

Please check the histories of the editors you choose to defend and accuse before doing so!

...And if you've taken the time to read this far, thank you for your patience in actually reading my frustrations with the system.  :)

–panda 00:29, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

I know I haven't replied yet with suggestions as far as Emerson7 is concerned, but I want to reassure you that I myself wasn't trying to accuse you of wikilawyering. I was rather trying to point Emerson7 towards a more productive way of stating his opinion than by writing that you were "acting in bad faith", because he really meant "wikilawyering" or "forum shopping". They still aren't nice things to say about someone, but they can imply a simple misunderstanding or disagreement rather than an attempt to subvert anything. Dekimasuよ! 01:46, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

Re: 3 topics

Re: your closing comments to Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics#Requested move, a rewording may be appropriate. Note: I'm not challenging your decision, but I do think your comments need additional clarification.

  • "RM in 2006 was closed as "move" rather than "no consensus""
Technically correct, but the decision to close it as "move" to "Nobel Prize in Economics" was controversial. There was agreement to move the page in interest of a compromise. However, there was no clear consensus (4-3) for what to move the page to. The admin (I assume) who moved the page to "Nobel Prize in Economics", whether intentionally or not, undermined those who agreed to compromise and work towards a new title in the interest of the community. If they had been as unwilling to compromise as those in the debate you closed, it would have been a clear no consensus.
  • "the main consideration when trying to determine which page name is the established one is stability, not overall tenure; the established title in this case is the current title."
The current title has been challenged and moved twice in the last year,[33] 4 times if you include moving it back -- that's not stable. The previous title was stable for at least three years with no page moves that I can see. If we use your words, then the previous title was the established title because it was established via stability. So perhaps you should consider rewording that statement or defining what stability means in this special case.

Re: Japanese diaspora

  • This debate is the most similar to the Nobel Prize in Economics debate but the editors in that discussion appeared to be genuinely interested in the content of the article and discussing the title rather than just giving a vote and leaving, as opposed to Nobel Prize in Economics, where the majority opposed to the move had actually not read the article or the corresponding Nobel Prize article as evidenced by their erroneous comments and how some of those who were opposed didn't participate in any discussion. If there had been say five or six editors who went to the Japanese diaspora discussion and simply posted that the current name is the common name, Google hit counts show that it is the common name, people would think they're on the wrong page with any other name, and then refused to listen to any other reason or simply left the conversation because they know they don't have to compromise (no consensus means no move), then you would have understood my frustration with this debate. Those who opposed the page move made no attempt that I can see to work towards a compromise.
  • I also proposed five different options for the page title in hopes of a compromise. One editor who wanted a page move (Wikidea) replied that my suggestions would be preferred over the current page title, while two opposed to the move (emerson7 and Anthon.Eff) refused to compromise. One probably did so just because I made the comment and we have a past history (emerson7). The rest never responded.
  • You should be satisfied with the results of Japanese diaspora as you stated that you would accept "any precise and correct title for this page over the current title." I hold the same position with Nobel Prize in Economics as I would accept any precise and correct title over the current title. Unfortunately, in this case there was no interest in working towards a compromise.

Re: Nobel Prize in Economics, Nobel Prize, and User:Vision Thing

  • Every single conversation I've had with User:Vision Thing about this topic has been evasive and similar to User talk:Vision Thing#Nobel Prize in Economics. Put yourself in my position and ask how long you would tolerate such replies/behavior before becoming frustrated? I've been putting up with it for about a week now, with the page move survey going on at the same time.
  • User:Vision Thing has, whether intentionally or not, simply disappeared for a few days and not replied to questions asked in Talk:Nobel Prize#Economics only to come back and say he's not convinced and to continue to present the same old evidence he's already given. Is that kind of behavior considered acceptable in Wikipedia?
  • He is also now discrediting information on the Nobel Foundation website saying that it's not a reliable source because it's a primary source, and can't be used in Wikipedia if there's no (alternative) "reliable source" that states the same thing. Really? The Nobel Foundation website is no longer a reliable source for info about the Nobel Prizes?

–panda 17:22, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Secondary sources are generally preferred, and all sides have noted inconsistencies in the Nobel Foundation website, so I don't see any reason why that shouldn't be the case here. That doesn't mean we can't mention the Nobel Foundation website and let readers decide for themselves how to interpret that information. It is better to discuss the issues than the users here, since it seems like the actions taking place here are in good faith. Dekimasuよ! 07:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments about your closing comments to the RFC? –panda 03:38, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

I've read through the recent comments at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics. I think that "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics" is a fair compromise and there is a reasonable chance that a request to move to that title could reach consensus. I don't have anything more to say about the previous close, but if you want, I will post a note at Talk:Nobel Prize in Economics to the effect that the outcome and timing of the previous RM shouldn't be used to invalidate a specific request to move to "Nobel Memorial Prize in Economics". I'd advise you to make any request as narrow as possible to prevent rehashing the prior debate. Dekimasuよ! 05:34, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Ok, please add a note to the talk page. But I still don't understand what your definition of stability is since it contradicts every definition I know for stability. –panda 15:35, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Considering that my comment above coincides perfectly with the current request, I'm surprised to see that you think I would be biased in closing the new requested move discussion. However, I suppose this is probably where you meant that I didn't respond, and I don't remember having seen this message. At any rate, I still maintain that "Nobel Prize in Economics" was the stable title of the page. It had been at another title for less than a day out of the last year, and the first move generated little momentum in favor of changing the page title after it was swiftly reverted. It is less trouble for me to simply stay away from the page, but I still think the issue is going to require further dispute resolution. Dekimasuよ! 13:41, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
  • You claim the page name "Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" that was not moved at all for 3 years (from 2003-2006) is less stable than "Nobel Prize in Economics", which was moved 3 times in 14 months by 3 different editors (none by me)? This is currently the fourth discussion about the article's name since it was moved to "Nobel Prize in Economics", started by four different editors (none by me). Further, if you notice who moved the page back to "Nobel Prize in Economics" and who has been the most active in reverting and removing cited text from the article that shows that the prize is not a Nobel Prize, you'll see a pattern -- a single editor named Vision Thing.
  • I don't know how you missed my question as (1) it states specifically four comments up "Comments about your closing comments to the RFC?" (posted 19 October 2007) and (2) you replied on 19 October 2007, but without answering those questions. So I'm still wondering about both points related to your closing comments, one of which is in the previous bullet.
  • You previously stated on 19 October 2007: "I'd advise you to make any request as narrow as possible to prevent rehashing the prior debate" (my emphasis), but now you're claiming that the closing admin should look at prior debates. Why? Anyway, if you want the closing admin to be aware of all the comments on this issue, then all outside links should be listed, not just the few you've mentioned. Either you aren't aware of all the outside comments or you have chosen to selectively list them. In either case, if you want to appear unbiased, either list all of the outside comments, do not mention it at all, or explain your reasoning in more detail so that it would not appear biased.
  • You have in fact accused me of wikilawyering despite denying it later: "Even if it might seem that Panda was looking for an "excuse" to have the page moved in anticipation of a lack of consensus in the move survey, that doesn't mean he was acting in bad faith. People can be discouraged from wikilawyering without it being necessary to question their motives." Considering you've only mentioned me in the first sentence (and the entire text, for that matter), who else are the "people" you refer to in the 2nd sentence?
  • You wrote to me "Maybe one of the worst possible things to do is continue to argue until other users give up and go away." when I was only involved for 2 weeks but without stating it to other editors like Vision Thing who have been involved for over a year...? Vision Thing has actually quite successfully driven away other editors by continuing to argue about something until they are fed up. (e.g., EtcEtc) If you wanted to be neutral, instead of writing only to me that "At this point, it is clear that there isn't a consensus for the changes you're advocating (admittedly, that argument could also be applied to editors on the other side of the argument) ... It might help to take on a more eventualist perspective. We don't have a deadline to get things right, and if you disengage from the situation for a while, fresh users may come in and decide that they agree with you after all.", you could have written to all parties involved that:
At this point, there is admittedly no consensus for any of the edits by all involved parties. It would be a good idea for all parties to disengage for awhile so that other editors become involved and can help work towards consensus.
Instead your comments tend to be directed at me and are condescending towards me.
Considering the above, I believe I am justified in questioning your ability to give an unbiased decision.
  • Further, you've stated: "I stand by my comment below. There isn't any point in searching for a consensus if some editors have already decided that they will only accept one possible outcome." when you stated in a different move request that "I'll restate that I will support any precise and correct title for this page over the current title." It's ok for you to state such but not for anyone else? That's contradictory.
Why don't you just vote on the issue or choose to be completely uninvolved instead making this into a larger issue? If you have issues with me questioning your biases, which I gather you do since you felt compelled to reply on the article's talk page, then why not work on resolving the above statements in a manner that would convince me that you are unbiased? If you manage to change my mind, I'll retract my statement. –panda 17:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I will choose to be completely uninvolved, since I have no emotional or other interest in the title of the page. I thought that all of your questions here were answered last month, but that clearly wasn't the case (I didn't close an RfC, but you probably meant RM). Next, my comments related to previous discussions were to make a closing admin aware of the background of the case; reading the background can mean the difference between an informed decision and an uninformed decision, and RM closers do not generally look kindly upon new move requests so soon after old ones. The old discussion had already been referenced, and by stating that I wasn't opposed to a new move request I was attempting to keep the closer open to the possibility of a move. It shouldn't be necessary to rehash old discussion - i.e., it isn't productive to have the same editors type the same things again and again - but those old discussions should still be reviewed by any newcomer. I was basically offering to save another closing admin the hour of reading that it will take to close this move.
I still maintain that I did not accuse you of wikilawyering, and I thought I had explained this earlier. I was looking at the situation from the perspective of the other user, and suggesting that anytime he thinks something is wikilawyering, it would be better to avoid harsh judgments. I specifically mentioned that I believed you were acting in good faith, and I would have replaced "people" with "Panda" if that was what I meant.
The only editors who I have had direct contact with on this subject are, to my knowledge, you, Emerson, and Anthon.Eff. Anthon wrote on this page that he was disengaging from the topic, and I suggested that you do the same. Vision Thing has never contacted me and I have never written to him directly, which is why I didn't address him there. My remarks tend to be directed to you because you tend to be the one asking questions. But you are right that it would have been better to suggest disengagement by all parties on the article's talk page.
As far as your comment correlating my statements at Japanese diaspora with the one about "one possible outcome", I think there are two important distinctions. First, the statment from Japanese diaspora that you quote does not say that I will perpetuate the argument until I get my way - it notes that I will support, as a single editor, any change. It was also a possibility that I would reluctantly accept the title that I thought was wrong. Your statement to the effect that edit wars will continue if the title is not changed means that the consensus-building process has broken down. (You stated this earlier as well in reference to the other users: "in this case there was no interest in working towards a compromise". At that time, I still thought there was hope for a compromise, but in suggesting mediation, it showed that I have begun to agree with you.) Second, I was a less experienced editor at that time. I can't think of any scenario in which I would still make that statement, because I avoid emphatic attachment to article titles.
As far as stability, it is clear that our views conflict. In dealing with requested moves, it is usually considered good form to wait six months before opening a new request (this is the case despite the fact that I tend to feel such a limitation is too strict, and this is the reason I made the qualifications we talked about above). A normal Wikipedia contributor with an article on his or her watchlist is very used to its title after six months, or a year, regardless of how much time it spent at the previous title. Internet search engines have caught up to the new title, too, and forgotten the old one. The old title was certainly stable before the new one became established. It is like a dynastic change - but you don't need to like the analogy.
I hope I have answered all of your questions this time, but you don't need to retract any statements, and if you still disagree with me on some points, I'd like to agree to disagree. I would rather be avoidant here than continue to argue, and I will stay out of everyone's hair. Even if we did continue to argue and came to find that we agree, that would do little to help the current situation. Dekimasuよ! 02:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
...and I guess Vision Thing doesn't care what you write since he's moved the article again [34] (not to mention reverted the intro text again to his version 26 edits ago). [35] Is this really a case for mediation or a RFC/U? –panda 18:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
I had considered move protecting the page, but for me to do so at any title would be bound to be taken the wrong way by someone. You might still want to ask for it. Dekimasu 02:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
  • You still haven't responded to the first point in the list above, about the original page move to "Nobel Prize in Economics", which I've recently discovered was initiated by none other than Vision Thing. [36]
  • Move protecting the article is pointless now. Vision Thing ended the article move war with NYScholar by making it impossible to move the article back by added a pointless edit to the title he disliked, which also messed up the redirect.[37]
  • Regarding the accusation of wikilawyering, I would appreciate it if you make it clear that you're not accusing me of wikilawyering in the original thread (#canvassing) since most people would probably conclude otherwise based on the way you wrote the text.
  • I stand by the statement that there will continue to be an edit war about the title until it is moved to something else. It's pretty obvious this is true considering how many times different editors have commented on this. If the title didn't affect the contents in the article, it wouldn't be an issue but that's not the case. Also, I'm apparently not the only one who thinks so in the current RM.[38]
  • The current RM was started by an admin. So if another admin thinks that it's inappropriate for another one so soon, they should take it up among themselves.
  • A normal Wikipedia contributor who has the article in their watch list should be fully aware of the edit war and likely would recognize any new name it moves to, especially since they would have probably participated in the RM.
  • Search engines don't have problems finding articles that have moved and don't really care what title the article is as long as there is a working redirect. Neither Google nor Yahoo have any problems whatsoever finding the current article via a redirect (or any other article that has recently moved for that matter) even though the article was moved 6 times in 2 days over the weekend. [39] [40] [41] [42] [43] [44] So the search engine point is irrelevant.
–panda 03:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Bullet 1: I don't see a question there. Anyway, the article was moved according to the reading of consensus made by the closer at the time. If the admin made a good-faith effort to gauge consensus, I don't see anything out of process, whether I would have made the same decision or not. Bullet 2: Yes. Bullet 3: Okay. Bullet 4: That is a problem for the reasons I've already stated, but one that I don't want to be involved in anymore. I might refer it to someone else if the problem continues. Agreeing to disagree, or put up with something you disagree with, is an important part of building consensus. Bullet 5: The admin status of the person who opened the request is not likely to be considered, but my closing comments likely will be, and considering what they consist of, there shouldn't be a problem anyway. Bullet 6: Not relevant to what I consider to be a stable title. The point I was trying to make is that if regular editors are used to the title, it is a sign that the title is stable. Yes, they will notice if it is moved. Bullet 7: When turned into redirects, those locations fall down search engine lists over time. What the search shows is that the title Nobel Prize in Economics is at the top of the list now, not the title from 2003-2006, which is the point I was trying to make.
I am patiently trying to answer all of your questions, but as I said before, I don't understand your objective in arguing with me about some of these things; my opinion on many of them is of little importance at this point unless you actually want me to do anything. I was happy to leave the note above about wikilawyering. Dekimasu 06:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
  • re: "if regular editors are used to the title, it is a sign that the title is stable." If that were true in this case, then the subject of the title wouldn't keep coming up from both regular and new editors.
  • re: redirects and search engine results. It's not true that the old name will "fall down search engine lists over time". If I search for the old name "Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel" from 14 months ago, the WP entry is the first hit in Google and Yahoo. In contrast, "Nobel Prize in Economics" or "Nobel prize in Economics" is the 3rd hit in Google and the 4th hit in Yahoo. So once again, that's irrelevant.
In the last 14 months, editors have been arguing the same issues since the name changed (i.e., which name goes first, whether or not the official English name of the prize and the Swedish name of the prize can go in the first sentence or in the text at all), which did not exist before the name change. The text has gone backwards a few times since editors removed that (1) the prize was established by the Bank of Sweden and (2) it was instituted on the bank's 300th anniversary. Even though there are references from the Nobel Foundation documenting that the prize is not a Noble Prize, that text was still removed from the article claiming POV-pushing among other things. Also, since so many call it a Nobel Prize (in economics) or it is just like one, then it must be one. All of these indicate that the title "Nobel Prize in Economics" has only contributed to instability and general confusion in the article.
I can not see what you find so stable or established about "Nobel Prize in Economics" so that you previously stated: "the main consideration when trying to determine which page name is the established one is stability, not overall tenure; the established title in this case is the current title [Nobel Prize in Economics]."[45] –panda 06:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel has not fallen down the list because links to it, like the one here, have continued to be created in these frequent discussions; that is not normally true of redirects. Stability need not indicate consensus for a certain title, but the facts that the page had been at another title for less than a day out of the last year, and that the previous title was determined by a requested move, dictated the relevant default page name upon failing to find consensus for the previous move proposal. I recognize that you disagree with me that Nobel Prize in Economics was a stable title. You can throw out "stable" entirely and replace it with "default" if you want to distill the discussion further. As before, I don't understand the purpose of belaboring the point. Dekimasu 07:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

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  • At this point, it's actually incorrect to state that the title has been at another title for less than a day out of the last year.
  • Of the 176 different links to Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, only 3 are from talk page discussions like this, 4 are from user talk pages like this, and 3 are from Wikipedia talk pages related to this. So I seriously doubt that the reason why it has not fallen down the list is "because links to it, like the one here, have continued to be created in these frequent discussions." Once again, irrelevant.

Reword your closing statement to the RM then if you now understand that "stable" can be thrown out. If you wanted to avoid this entire discussion, you could have simply said that the RM is from the current title instead of stating that it is from the "established" title, which you then further defined to be the "stable" title, both of which haven't been shown to be true in this case. –panda 03:11, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

The first point is disingenuous. I was referring to the situation when I closed the RM, which is what we were talking about, and which was why I said "had been". As for my understanding of redirects and search results, it comes from Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)/More macrons discussion and not from my own research. You disagree with me that the was stable, which was why I suggested that you just read "default" wherever I wrote "stable". However, that doesn't mean I have changed my opinion of what is stable or established, and I will not reword my archived, month-old closing statement to suit your definition. If other people read that discussion or this one, they can and should come to their own conclusions about whether or not my reasoning is/was flawed. Dekimasu 04:28, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
  • "Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences", a redirect that was first created about a week ago: the WP article is hit #3 in both Google and Yahoo.
  • "Swedish Bank Prize", which has only one link to it from inside Wikipedia: the WP article is hit #1 in both Google and Yahoo.
  • "Bank of Sweden Prize", which has five links to it from inside WP: #1 in both Google and Yahoo.
  • "Economy nobel", which has no links to it from WP: #1 in Google and #2 in Yahoo.
Apparently it also has nothing to do with how many links there are to the article since according to Google, there are no articles that link to the "Economy nobel" redirect.[47]
I actually don't see anything in that archived discussion to give you any basis for your statements about redirects and search engine results. Furthermore, you've modified your definition of "stable" as this conversation has progressed each time I've found fault in it. It's apparent that we disagree about what is considered "stable". Anyway, I believe I've proven my point here and shown that none of your arguments about this issue stand up to any scrutiny. –panda (talk) 02:33, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I wasn't referring to anything Jecowa said there, but what Gene Nygaard said. I have not at all altered my definition of what is "stable" (the location that regular editors are used to, the location that was determined in a previous move discussion, the location that a page has almost always been at over a substantial block of time) although I have offered various points in attempts to illustrate to your satisfaction that it represents stability. If Gene Nygaard is wrong about redirects, it does not affect any of those basic points. You have rejected my definition in favor of your own definition, and that's fine. My standards need not be given more weight than those of other editors. I am still not sure what this discussion was meant to accomplish, because the old close is no longer being discussed elsewhere, and there was clearly no consensus for a move during the previous discussion no matter how I worded my close, and the close was in line with WP:NCON. I was not going to override a year-old close on procedural grounds, because Wikipedia is not a bureaucracy. Nor is Wikipedia a battleground, nor will continuing to repeat the same argument here persuade me. The number of man-hours spent on this discussion (and the main one) would have been put to better use elsewhere. I am sure you are trying to effect positive change. However, you have also shown that your passion to prove your points can exhaust other editors. Dekimasu 04:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
You've obviously missed the entire point of this thread, which was specifically about the wording of your closing comments for the RM, as stated at the very top of this thread. Read your previous posts to see how you've changed your definition throughout this discussion. At least you've finally stopped mentioned how search engine results are related to what you consider "stable". Anyway, you've made it clear that you don't plan to change your closing comments, despite the errors I've pointed out. Considering you're an admin who closes RMs, hopefully you've learned something from this thread and in the future will be more careful with how you word your closing statements. –panda (talk) 04:54, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
I am generally willing to admit to errors, but I fail to see any here. I will take from the discussion what I can. Happy editing. Dekimasu 05:22, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize and Talk:Nobel Prize

Hi Dekimasu. I guess we need some help on the Talk: Nobel Prize page. I'm going to stay away from the page for a while, since I've completely lost patience with –panda. But I would appreciate it if you could take a look at what is going on there, and give us some advice. I'm asking you since I know that –panda respects you, since he has previously sought out your opinion. Thanks. --Anthon.Eff 02:27, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

While you're at it, could you please take a look at the Nobel Prize page? At 17:34, 9 October 2007 User:Vision Thing did a complete revert of 17 edits (made by several different editors) [48] for unexplained reasons. Asking him why he reverted 17 edits on his talk page hasn't generated much of a response. He has selectively replaced some of the text and very few of the references, including reintroducing references that did not support the statements they referred to. I may also ask another admin for comments on this as I know you're very busy and this has already taken up a lot of your time. –panda 18:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Vision Thing subsequently reintegrated several of the changes that were reverted. I agree that it's always better to leave edit summaries, but not leaving edit summaries isn't generally something we sanction editors for. If he reverts to a preferred version repeatedly, he may be in violation of the reversion policy, but one incident doesn't show that. Dekimasu 07:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
I'm having a bit of topic burnout here, and I can understand why other editors are having that problem. I respect the decision by Anthon.Eff to WP:DISENGAGE from the topic for a while, and I wonder if you would be willing to do so too. At this point, it is clear that there isn't a consensus for the changes you're advocating (admittedly, that argument could also be applied to editors on the other side of the argument). Wikipedia works much more smoothly and effectively through establishing consensus than when it has to resort to mediation or arbitration. Maybe one of the worst possible things to do is continue to argue until other users give up and go away. It might help to take on a more eventualist perspective. We don't have a deadline to get things right, and if you disengage from the situation for a while, fresh users may come in and decide that they agree with you after all. Dekimasu 07:34, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Nobel Prize in Chemistry

i don't know exactly what the procedure is, so i was wondering if you could assist with the discussion at Talk:Nobel Prize in Chemistry regarding bringing a close to the polling that has gone on for the better part of a month. --emerson7 15:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

My understanding is that article RfCs are just another way to find a consensus, so they can't be regarded as binding if no consensus is found. I don't think there's much chance that we can extract a consensus out of that RfC, although to me it seems like a really minor point to be arguing over. I would generally favor using the list from the Nobel site (relying on an outside source is a good way to avoid imbuing articles with our own points of view), but as noted in a bunch of other places here, the Nobel site seems to be inconsistent and self-contradictory - so is it really a reliable source? At any rate, if this can't be resolved by looking through the RfC and finding points to agree on, you may want to look at another dispute resolution process. Dekimasu 06:57, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Samulili

At Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Samulili, you stated that you were striking your oppose !vote, however I believe you may have inadvertently left yourself in the list which will still count as an oppose. I have fixed the formatting based on what I believe is your intent. Please revert my edit if I misunderstood. Ronnotel 13:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

My mistake. Thank you. Dekimasu 13:19, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
no problem! :) Ronnotel 13:20, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks できます, for your participation in my Editor review. Your feedback has been very helpful in my recent edits. Once again, Thanks! --Hirohisat 紅葉 07:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Requesting your help at Kayqubad I

Hi Dekimasu. Would you mind taking a look at the move request at Kayqubad I and its associated pages? Many editors have posted opinions, and we would appreciate your disinterested perspective on whether it is time to wrap things up. Thanks. Aramgar 22:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner. I think it's a good thing that another administrator closed the request, since this also acts as confirmation of my first close. I think it's certainly fine to add alternate names in bold at the beginning of the articles. Let me know if you need any more help! Dekimasu 06:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
You are entirely correct. Thank you. Aramgar 16:45, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject Dartmouth College

WikiProject Dartmouth College

As a current or past contributor to a related article -- or an alumnus/na of the College -- I thought I'd let you know about WikiProject Dartmouth College, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of the Dartmouth College. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks and related articles. Thanks! Dylan 19:37, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Request Page Move: Adrian L. Peterson

Could you move this page for us?

NEED HELP - have consensus. - WikiDon 17:14, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, WikiDon 17:28, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the page, but I added a caveat on the talk page. Usually page move discussions last a bit longer than that one. Dekimasu 05:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. Yes, but I think this one was pretty obvious, not likely to be much, if any, distention on this one. WikiDon 05:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer

Oops, you got it slightly wrong: "It has been proposed below that Kilian Ignac Dientzenhofer be renamed and moved to Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer."[49] You deleted (07:37, 19 October 2007 Dekimasu (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kilian Ignaz Dientzenhofer" ‎ (deletion to make way for page move)) to make way, but then moved to Kilian Ignac Dientzenhofer, though. -- Matthead discuß!     O       05:53, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. Dekimasu 05:59, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Image move request

You made a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves to fix the spelling of Image:Esente superbum.jpg, but that isn't one of the functions of that page. If you'd like to follow up on the change, please take a look at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Header#What can be moved? for more info. Thanks for your help! Dekimasu 00:54, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the follow-up. I posted about this to the image contributor. ENeville 20:17, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

Venetian Ceruse

Venetian Ceruse was the first title, then it was moved to Venetian ceruse without discussion, it is not possible to MOVE everything back once an article has been created unless the editor is an administrator. As you are an administrator, please MOVE everything back to the original article Venetian Ceruse as this is the correct capitalization, thank you. Chessy999 06:00, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I never used anything from Marvel Comics, I want you to advise, which sentences you find incorrect in the article that I wrote and I will change them, the version of the article YOU want to use is not very well written. Chessy999 13:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Okay. Thank you for adding the text here. First, the reference to the capitalized version of the name is unnecessary. We know that it is capitalized in some sources and not in others, and the one in question is unlikely to be considered a reliable source. The discussion asked us to make a decision about which capitalization to have the article at, and some other editors and I found the reasons for using the lowercase title more compelling. If you'd like, you can mention the capitalized spelling in the lede ("Venetian ceruse, sometimes capitalized as Venetian Ceruse"). Second, the phrasing you have used in the second and third sentences borrows too heavily from the second source. I'd suggest looking at examples of what constitutes improper paraphrasing, somewhere like this page (see examples 2 and 3). The intervening edits are questionable in terms of copyright problems and need not (more likely should not) be retained under the GFDL. I will likely clear the history there later. Dekimasu 13:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Legendarium

I see what you mean. Unfortunately, we can't assume that everyone who links to legendarium in the future will be talking about the Tolkien term. What is needed is for a bot to go through the 1000+ Tolkien articles that link to legendarium, and change the links to point to Tolkien's legendarium. Then it should be OK to change legendarium to redirect to legendary (disambiguation). Would that work? Carcharoth 14:35, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Making very limited assumptions isn't such a bad thing. Designating primary topics involves a bit of triangulation in service to the principle of least surprise, but I doubt we're being too biased in favor of the Tolkien usage here. All of the link changes are done manually when that kind of page is redirected to a dab, but it's long and tedious (I've done several thousand myself), and it isn't always necessary. Adding an {{otheruses4}} tag to the top of Tolkien's legendarium would be probably be sufficient to take care of any remaining ambiguity in this case. After all, the Tolkien page discusses the general meaning of the term more than any other page in the encyclopedia, and if linked for purposes of a dictionary definition, the link should be removed. Dekimasu 15:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
That said, if the links to the Tolkien usage were all piped to the full name, I wouldn't feel as strongly about where to point the redirect. Dekimasu 15:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Well, I agree in general. I made the change based on the discussion at Talk:Tolkien's legendarium, where a user raised concerns about it possibly being a neologism. I think they might have got that impression by clicking on a link and expecting a page about 'legendarium' and getting the article on the Tolkien term instead. I also removed the otheruses hatnote, but I'll put that back for now, and see about a bot request for the piping you talk about. Carcharoth 15:24, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I was too late. Someone else beat me to it!. Carcharoth 15:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I should have checked the talk page earlier, but I've read through the discussion now. I think what he is objecting to isn't the fact that there are other legendariums, but that this article is about the phrase "Tolkien's legendarium" rather than about the legendarium itself - for example, what it consists of and why it is significant. There doesn't seem to be much of an encyclopedic nature to be said about the term itself. I understand that the current setup is partially the result of trying to defend the provenance and relevance of the term, but what he would probably like is for the article to be (and possibly be moved to) something along the lines of "[[History of Middle-earth]]" (cf. The History of Middle-earth, Harry Potter universe, Ender's Game series). Dekimasu 15:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Good point. Maybe we were talking past each other on that talk page. There are sources on all this, but it will take a bit of reading to get a clear picture. I'll give that a go sometime. Carcharoth 16:14, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Help

Dekimasu, I'm out of town, with a really bad web connection and probably no connection for the next few days. I've been frustrated by User:Nitsirk's POV edits on some of the education articles (for example, Nitsirk believes there are no disadvantages to mainstreaming any disabled student into a regular classroom except lack of money), and with the Talk:Grade retention proposal, I'm starting to suspect a sockpuppeteer. There are precious few edits by Nitsirk's supporters. Could you possibly look into whether User:Yasdnil and User:Refinnej are coming from the same place? It's the fairly distinctive language patterns that make me curious. Looking at Talk:Alternative high school, where Yasdnil proposes moving (well, merging) an article that Nitsirk has edited heavily might also be worthwhile. I'm sorry that I can't manage to deal with this myself, but I'm not even sure that my link will stay up long enough to leave you this note. Thanks for considering it, WhatamIdoing 22:50, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

The note about my own suspicions about possible SPA activity was removed, and this note was removed as well, neither of which makes me less suspicious. I tried to be as nonjudgmental as possible when writing the SPA message, too, by not referring to meatpuppets or sockpuppets. There is also evidence of canvassing. I agree that something strange is going on, and I've asked Nitsirk about it directly. Dekimasu 02:24, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Grade retention

Mine was not all opinion. Grade retention is too restrictive! It doesn't include students in college and beyond. Repeater is better because it is the more general term. I told my friends to sign on wikipedia to support me. Why can't I do that? Just as long as they agree with me. I know it's not a ballot. They gave reasons for why they chose support. How much do they need to put down? And I did removed your comment because it was in the wrong place. I placed it under the discussion part. --Nitsirk 11:14, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

How come you oppose the title? Grade retention is horrible. I gave you the reasons and you still oppose. How come grade retention is better? It's too restrictive. --Nitsirk 11:25, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Please respond to me! I know you are on. --Nitsirk 11:45, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

What's taking you so long to respond? I don't have all day. --Nitsirk 11:48, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Please stay calm. I can't type on two pages at once. First, please read WP:MEAT (and read WP:CANVASS in case you haven't gotten around to it yet). I am not convinced that the comments on the talk page were written by three different people, particularly since one user only edits outside the mainspace, but for the time being I will accept what you've said. I would strongly suggest that you and User:Yasdnil avoid the same move/deletion/merge discussions in the future, or Yasdnil is likely to be blocked as a suspected sockpuppet. Second, I believe that a merge is a better solution than moving the grade retention page, as I've said. Promotion (academic) could refer to any age level. The article is about the practice rather than the person, and that focus does not need to be changed. Dekimasu 12:02, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
But the promotion (Academia) is already an article. We can't use that. Thank you for your understanding. I'm going to tell my friends to not to that anymore. I'm just going to tell them to do different subjects since it may be confusing to some people. --Nitsirk 12:44, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry

I agree 100% that the user in question is a sockpuppet of Jessica Liao. The editing pattern and prose patterns are identical. Blocked. Thanks for the heads up! --Bradeos Graphon 16:57, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Jessica

Yep, that seems to be Jessica Liao all right, same spread of articles, same patterns, even the three little periods she uses to punctuate...her edit summaries. Blocked. Cheers! --Bradeos Graphon (talk) 14:40, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Help with Dub

Would you mind taking a moment to advise me on the next step in the proposal to move Dub? I suggested it thinking it would not be controversial (silly me), and it was contested. You moved the discussion to Talk: Dub, where it has continued, but I'm not sure how to decide whether I can re-request a move. I seem to have solid support from at least one other editor, who has included some basis for his position. The rest of the responses are opinions about the meaning of the word which those particular editors are most familiar with, which isn't really the same as a good reason for or against a move. I'm still a bit of a newbie as far as procedures go, and I appreciate the tone and level of your contributions, so I thought you could help me figure out how to determine consensus. Thanks! SlackerMom 15:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you. It doesn't look to me like this is a discussion that is headed towards a consensus in favor of moving the disambiguation page, but you can request a full move at any time by following the steps for adding an entry under "other proposals" at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Doing that would at least bring some new people into the discussion. If you want some more specific opinions related to how the disambiguation could be set up most efficiently, you might want to ask at Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Disambiguation. Hope this helps! Dekimasu 02:50, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your advice. I think I'll push for a little more discussion before calling it quits, just to make sure. I appreciate your help! SlackerMom 18:49, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

HELP with Orlando disambiguation

Hi Dekimasu, I've noticed your name in the disamb w/ links project removing links to disam pages. I've been doing this also, lately, but I really screwed one up and I'm hoping you can go in as admin and rollback my mistakes. I inadvertently redirected Orlando to Orlando 9disambiguation), meaning of course to type Orlando (disambiguation). I've royally screwed this up and it gets worse every time I try to repair my mistakes. I'm getting dizzy. Any help you can offer is of course much appreciated. Keeper | 76 17:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Update - my mistake edits were reverted by Ian Manka, no need for your attention here, unless you would like to simply ridicule me for my deserving ridiculousness :-). If you want to vent at my vain attempts at saboutage, you can here! Thanks! Keeper | 76 18:51, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

My RfA

I have clarified my wordings on question 5 of my RfA. Please read my clarifications to see if you wish to switch your stance. Thank you. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your note, but I'm still concerned about the original response to question 4. If there is a clarification to make there, please let me know. Dekimasu 02:24, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Estonian pirates

Hello Dekimasu. I was going to close the move discussion at Talk:Estonian pirates, but found myself deeply divided on whether to close as a no consensus or as a move, since the arguments and sources provided by the move side seem to be sound. You're an experienced "move-closer" as well so I decided to ask you and another admin a second opinion. So, if you can spare the time, could you please have a look and tell me how do you think you would you close this one? Thank you. Húsönd 04:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Although I would have probably closed the move in favor of the title that was proposed near the bottom of the page, the fact that it blew up in the meantime and got sent over to ANI probably shows that my advice wouldn't have been very helpful in this case. Sorry for getting back to you so late. Dekimasu 12:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

OhanaUnited's RfA

Thanks for voting at my RfA. Unfortunately, the result stands at 51 support, 21 oppose and 7 neutral which means that I did not succeed. As many expressed their appreciation of my works in featured portals during my RfA, I will fill up the vacuum position of director in featured portal candidates to maintain the standards of featured contents in addition to my active role in Good articles. Have a great day. OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Battletoads

The most recent edit to this article contains vandalism. Would you mind removing that? Just64helpin (talk) 13:30, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

I was a little confused, but I hope this is what you had in mind. Let me know if you need any more help. Dekimasu 13:40, 17 November 2007 (UTC)